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Subject: Remove the AR from Halo:Reach

Posted by: STiS
try to actually stick to the points at hand

i dont want the thread veering off to BR discussion and so i will not respond to BR points

No, you just aren't getting the point of the analogies. Shall I do a non-BR one?

The Sniper Rifle serves no purpose and overlaps with other weapons that fill the same weapon niche, like the Beam Rifle and the Spartan Laser.

It is a complete failure as a spawn weapon as it promotes the same boring repetitive gameplay at the best of times, nothing but playing peek-a-boo behind rocks, shooting for the head, running from people with shotguns.

Thats what your arguement looks like when flipped around. Perhaps we should take out the Sniper Rifle as well. Disagree? To disagree with this logic is to disagree with the logic of your original post.

I amusedly wait to see how you take this.

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Posted by: STiS
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No it was a great starting weapon in Halo CE and if done right will be a great starting weapon in Halo Reach. You need to get over your BR55 fetish. A better balanced assault rifle and pistol as the spawning weapons would make Reach a much better game than repetitive battle rifle fights. The battle rifle should return though, with more range and less spread. It should only found on map in matchmaking and made useless in CQC.


the HCE pistol was the best spawn weapon in halo history

the AR in HCE just like in H3 was a complete failure as a spawn weapon and was quickly thrown aside in favour of pistol spawns
The pistol was too strong. The range was good. The AR was great. You could drop a Banshee with it. Both weapons allowed the player to be safe off of the spawn.

  • 07.15.2009 5:02 PM PDT

Knowledge talks, wisdom listens.

Posted by: x Foman123 x
Actually, I find that I'm more invincible without pants, which is why I am not wearing any at the moment.

Did you really just compare the Halo:CE pistol to the AR? Are you kidding? The pistol was the most over powered weapon in Halo history.

  • 07.15.2009 5:02 PM PDT

"When life gives you lemons, don't make lemonade. Make life take the lemons back! Get mad! I don't want your damn lemons! What am I supposed to do with these? Demand to see life's manager! Make life rue the day it thought it could give EL1TE SUPR3MACY lemons! Do you know who I am? I'm the man who's gonna burn your house down! With the lemons! I'm gonna get my engineers to invent a combustible lemon that burns your house down!"

I agree. The only weapon that should be in Halo: Reach should be the Spiker because I said so.

[Edited on 07.15.2009 5:03 PM PDT]

  • 07.15.2009 5:03 PM PDT

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Posted by: flamedude
Pretty good small map starter weapon though...........


not at all

on small maps it reinforces the strategy of rushing the centre of the map and spray melee

hilariously poor gameplay and unfortunately what most casual players associate with halo

no wonder COD overtook it

Great stuff.

  • 07.15.2009 5:03 PM PDT

I am of an open mind and I am willing to hear criticism. Also: That's stupid and you're stupid.

Posted by: STiS
Posted by: flamedude
Pretty good small map starter weapon though...........


not at all

on small maps it reinforces the strategy of rushing the centre of the map and spray melee

hilariously poor gameplay and unfortunately what most casual players associate with halo

no wonder COD overtook it


Halo still being the number one played Xbox LIVE game gives me reason scoff at you.

*Scoff*

  • 07.15.2009 5:05 PM PDT

Knowledge talks, wisdom listens.

Posted by: x Foman123 x
Actually, I find that I'm more invincible without pants, which is why I am not wearing any at the moment.

Ah....I see now. Your just extremely narrow minded. Now it makes sense.

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Posted by: STiS
no wonder COD overtook it


How does Call of Duty beat #1 most played game on Xbox Live since its release. Are you -blam!- retarded by any chance?

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  • 07.15.2009 5:11 PM PDT

I am of an open mind and I am willing to hear criticism. Also: That's stupid and you're stupid.

Posted by: STiS
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Posted by: STiS
Posted by: flamedude
Pretty good small map starter weapon though...........


not at all

on small maps it reinforces the strategy of rushing the centre of the map and spray melee

hilariously poor gameplay and unfortunately what most casual players associate with halo

no wonder COD overtook it


Halo still being the number one played Xbox LIVE game gives me reason scoff at you.

*Scoff*


it was not before the COD community was split

add WAW and COD4 2gether...COD is #1


We can combine two games to beat one game now? Your logic astounds me good sir.

  • 07.15.2009 5:12 PM PDT

Here’s what Luke had to say about the differences in treatment between the Spartans and Elites in Reach:

“Instead of piece-by-piece customization like the Spartans, Elite customization is a full model swap with models selected from the various Elite classes appearing throughout the Campaign. There are all kinds of reasons for this, not the least of which is our continued emphasis on the Spartan as your identity in Reach.”

You have no evidence to support your reasons for removing the AR.

You say it's an overcrowded niche.

The AR is a bread and butter weapon, it is supposed to cover the largest area of the weapon sandbox because of it's role as a starting weapon.

It has longer range than the CQB weapons, while shorter range than the Battle Rifle, Carbine, and Needler.

Melees don't work if you aren't next to them. If you can't use the AR with skill, then you should try. It can be a very versatile and skilled weapon when utilized appropriately.

And on Team Shooting, it is extremely effective with the AR. 2 people with ARs opening up on a target can down it in 4 bursts (~1 second).

The Halo 1 AR = SMG in performance. Do not change it back.

It is a Halo staple, has been there since the beginning, and shouldn't go anywhere.

  • 07.15.2009 5:14 PM PDT

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Posted by: STiS
Posted by: BULLETxSP0NGE
Posted by: STiS
no wonder COD overtook it


How does Call of Duty beat #1 most played game on Xbox Live since its release. Are you -blam!- retarded by any chance?


there are 2 COD games out at the moment

add the 2 together than see who is #1

also COD4 had #1 locked down before WAW was released


im not a COD fan by any means im just stating the facts


60% of the time it works...... every time.

  • 07.15.2009 5:14 PM PDT

I am of an open mind and I am willing to hear criticism. Also: That's stupid and you're stupid.

Posted by: STiS
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Posted by: STiS
no wonder COD overtook it


How does Call of Duty beat #1 most played game on Xbox Live since its release. Are you -blam!- retarded by any chance?


there are 2 COD games out at the moment

add the 2 together than see who is #1

also COD4 had #1 locked down before WAW was released


im not a COD fan by any means im just stating the facts


Facts? Halo still played the role of #1 even when CoD 4 and every "Halo crushing game" came out. CoD 5 and CoD 4 fans would beg to differ quite harshly on how different the games play out.

  • 07.15.2009 5:15 PM PDT

I am of an open mind and I am willing to hear criticism. Also: That's stupid and you're stupid.

Posted by: STiS
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Posted by: STiS
Posted by: BULLETxSP0NGE
Posted by: STiS
no wonder COD overtook it


How does Call of Duty beat #1 most played game on Xbox Live since its release. Are you -blam!- retarded by any chance?


there are 2 COD games out at the moment

add the 2 together than see who is #1

also COD4 had #1 locked down before WAW was released


im not a COD fan by any means im just stating the facts


Facts? Halo still played the role of #1 even when CoD 4 and every "Halo crushing game" came out. CoD 5 and CoD 4 fans would beg to differ quite harshly on how different the games play out.


no it did not

COD4 spent more weeks at #1 than halo 3 from its release date to WAW's


Alright, Mr. Facts, show me some sort of evidence and I will believe you. Saying and showing are two different things.

EDIT: You know what my posts have done? They have shown that you have no real reason for denying the AR from Multiplayer, most threads you make involve no real discussion, but arguments about other things.

[Edited on 07.15.2009 5:21 PM PDT]

  • 07.15.2009 5:19 PM PDT

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Posted by: Uncle Kulikov
You have no evidence to support your reasons for removing the AR.

You say it's an overcrowded niche.

The AR is a bread and butter weapon, it is supposed to cover the largest area of the weapon sandbox because of it's role as a starting weapon.

It has longer range than the CQB weapons, while shorter range than the Battle Rifle, Carbine, and Needler.

Melees don't work if you aren't next to them. If you can't use the AR with skill, then you should try. It can be a very versatile and skilled weapon when utilized appropriately.

And on Team Shooting, it is extremely effective with the AR. 2 people with ARs opening up on a target can down it in 4 bursts (~1 second).

The Halo 1 AR = SMG in performance. Do not change it back.

It is a Halo staple, has been there since the beginning, and shouldn't go anywhere.


That is perfectly expressed. For me the H3 AR is an integral part of Halo 3. The only way for Reach to work without an AR is to include a new weapon that covers that niche (essentially another AR) or rejig every weapon to account for the massive gaping hole in the weapon set.

STIS, you can't just say "Remove the AR" without at least coming up with a good alternative. Simply saying "It's no good, fact!" isn't enough.

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The majority of both 4 and WaW's players are completely fanboys towards their preferred game and wouldn't play the other if their preferred CoD wasn't available. Whenever I would play one of them and one of my friends asks to play the other one most of the time I would see them get screamed at by fanboys. Their populations definitely counts as separate games.

  • 07.15.2009 5:22 PM PDT

I am of an open mind and I am willing to hear criticism. Also: That's stupid and you're stupid.

Posted by: STiS

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Posted by: BULLETxSP0NGE
Posted by: STiS
no wonder COD overtook it[/quote]

How does Call of Duty beat #1 most played game on Xbox Live since its release. Are you -blam!- retarded by any chance?[/quote]

there are 2 COD games out at the moment

add the 2 together than see who is #1

also COD4 had #1 locked down before WAW was released


im not a COD fan by any means im just stating the facts


Facts? Halo still played the role of #1 even when CoD 4 and every "Halo crushing game" came out. CoD 5 and CoD 4 fans would beg to differ quite harshly on how different the games play out.


no it did not

COD4 spent more weeks at #1 than halo 3 from its release date to WAW's


Alright, Mr. Facts, show me some sort of evidence and I will believe you. Saying and showing are two different things.

EDIT: You know what my posts have done? They have shown that you have no real reason for denying the AR from Multiplayer, most threads you make involve no real discussion but arguments about other things.


i do not have it saved anywhere nor will i look for it

go to ign.com and then XBL...go to XBL leaderboards and look thru the histroy


If you, yourself can't supply any evidence, then you have no "facts" you are merely covering up your lies with words. I rest my case.

  • 07.15.2009 5:23 PM PDT