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Most played games in 2008(based on unique users)

1 Halo 3
2 Call of Duty 4
3 GTA IV
4 Gears of War 2
5 Gears of War
6 CoD: World at War
7 Guitar Hero III
8 Battlefield: Bad Company Demo
9 Star Wars: The Force Unleashed Demo
10 Rock Band
11 Fable II
12 Mirror's Edge Demo
13 Madden NFL 09
14 BF: Bad Company
15 Rainbow Six Vegas 2
16 UNO
17 Castle Crashers
18 COD: World at War Multiplayer Beta
19 Forza Motorsport 2
20 Too Human - Demo


[Edited on 07.15.2009 5:28 PM PDT]

  • 07.15.2009 5:26 PM PDT

I am of an open mind and I am willing to hear criticism. Also: That's stupid and you're stupid.

Posted by: STiS


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Posted by: STiS
Posted by: BULLETxSP0NGE
Posted by: STiS
no wonder COD overtook it[/quote]

How does Call of Duty beat #1 most played game on Xbox Live since its release. Are you -blam!- retarded by any chance?[/quote]

there are 2 COD games out at the moment

add the 2 together than see who is #1

also COD4 had #1 locked down before WAW was released


im not a COD fan by any means im just stating the facts[/quote]

Facts? Halo still played the role of #1 even when CoD 4 and every "Halo crushing game" came out. CoD 5 and CoD 4 fans would beg to differ quite harshly on how different the games play out.[/quote]

no it did not

COD4 spent more weeks at #1 than halo 3 from its release date to WAW's


Alright, Mr. Facts, show me some sort of evidence and I will believe you. Saying and showing are two different things.

EDIT: You know what my posts have done? They have shown that you have no real reason for denying the AR from Multiplayer, most threads you make involve no real discussion but arguments about other things.


i do not have it saved anywhere nor will i look for it

go to ign.com and then XBL...go to XBL leaderboards and look thru the histroy


If you, yourself can't supply any evidence, then you have no "facts" you are merely covering up your lies with words. I rest my case.


w/e its really not that important to me

and considering its not even the topic of the thread its about time to drop it anyways


Have you even made one post backing up your OP? All I have seen is, "AR has no skill, facts!"

  • 07.15.2009 5:27 PM PDT

I am of an open mind and I am willing to hear criticism. Also: That's stupid and you're stupid.

Posted by: BULLETxSP0NGE
Most played games in 2008

1 Halo 3
2 Call of Duty 4


Well, that solves a previous argument. Thanks!

[Edited on 07.15.2009 5:28 PM PDT]

  • 07.15.2009 5:27 PM PDT

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You have no evidence to support your reasons for removing the AR.

You say it's an overcrowded niche.

The AR is a bread and butter weapon, it is supposed to cover the largest area of the weapon sandbox because of it's role as a starting weapon.

It has longer range than the CQB weapons, while shorter range than the Battle Rifle, Carbine, and Needler.

Melees don't work if you aren't next to them. If you can't use the AR with skill, then you should try. It can be a very versatile and skilled weapon when utilized appropriately.

And on Team Shooting, it is extremely effective with the AR. 2 people with ARs opening up on a target can down it in 4 bursts (~1 second).

The Halo 1 AR = SMG in performance. Do not change it back.

It is a Halo staple, has been there since the beginning, and shouldn't go anywhere.


That is perfectly expressed. For me the H3 AR is an integral part of Halo 3. The only way for Reach to work without an AR is to include a new weapon that covers that niche (essentially another AR) or rejig every weapon to account for the massive gaping hole in the weapon set.

STIS, you can't just say "Remove the AR" without at least coming up with a good alternative. Simply saying "It's no good, fact!" isn't enough.


theres already atleast 3 other weapons that fill its niche

hell we even had a full game that didnt include the AR already and it was fine


So you think PR, SMG and Spiker do exactly the same thing as H3 AR........ Oh boy. You can actually hold 2 of those you know.

And the intitial H2 SMG starts blew hard. Thats why BR starts took over as the main start weapon as big maps like Coag and Headlong were nightmares if the other team got the upper hand.

It's a shame you dislike the AR so much and I suppose that no amount of us telling you it's a good/needed weapon is going to make you think otherwise. Luckily there will be other weapons for you to use in Reach.

  • 07.15.2009 5:29 PM PDT
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I FORGOT TO MENTION THAT TOP 20 LIST WAS BASED ON UNIQUE USERS

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Posted by: STiS
Posted by: BULLETxSP0NGE
Most played games in 2008

1 Halo 3
2 Call of Duty 4
6 CoD: World at War



i wonder what that list looks like without #6


Seeing as this list is merely based on the number of unique people that played each game that wouldn't make a difference.

  • 07.15.2009 5:32 PM PDT

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Retaliation!
Take the BR out of Reach!
What I just said was pointless just like this thread.
I know it won't happen,(Referring to the BR statement.) and I actually like the BR and AR equally.

  • 07.15.2009 5:33 PM PDT

I am of an open mind and I am willing to hear criticism. Also: That's stupid and you're stupid.

Posted by: STiS
Posted by: BULLETxSP0NGE
Most played games in 2008

1 Halo 3
2 Call of Duty 4
6 CoD: World at War



i wonder what that list looks like without #6



Simple, it looks like;

Top Xbox LIVE Games of 2007(Based on Online Connectivity)
1 Halo 3
2 Gears of War
3 Call of Duty 4
4 Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six Vegas
5 Call Of Duty 3
6 Crackdown
7 Oblivion
8 Guitar Hero II
9 Forza Motorsport 2
10 Lost Planet

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  • 07.15.2009 5:34 PM PDT
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Posted by: BULLETxSP0NGE
Most played games in 2008(based on unique users)

1 Halo 3
2 Call of Duty 4
3 GTA IV
4 Gears of War 2
5 Gears of War
6 CoD: World at War
7 Guitar Hero III
8 Battlefield: Bad Company Demo
9 Star Wars: The Force Unleashed Demo
10 Rock Band
11 Fable II
12 Mirror's Edge Demo
13 Madden NFL 09
14 BF: Bad Company
15 Rainbow Six Vegas 2
16 UNO
17 Castle Crashers
18 COD: World at War Multiplayer Beta
19 Forza Motorsport 2
20 Too Human - Demo


Notice the edit in bold. Since this list is based of unique users that means Call of Duty WaW and 4 didn't take away from each other on this list.

  • 07.15.2009 5:39 PM PDT

http://achievementgen.info/view.php?ach=22555

Posted by: STiS
Posted by: BULLETxSP0NGE
Posted by: STiS
Posted by: BULLETxSP0NGE
Most played games in 2008

1 Halo 3
2 Call of Duty 4
6 CoD: World at War



i wonder what that list looks like without #6


Seeing as this list is merely based on the number of unique people that played each game that wouldn't make a difference.


your also forgetting that multi accounting is prevalent in halo and non existent in COD

Because of the ranking system.

  • 07.15.2009 5:40 PM PDT
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Posted by: STiS
Posted by: BULLETxSP0NGE
Posted by: STiS
Posted by: BULLETxSP0NGE
Most played games in 2008

1 Halo 3
2 Call of Duty 4
6 CoD: World at War



i wonder what that list looks like without #6


Seeing as this list is merely based on the number of unique people that played each game that wouldn't make a difference.


your also forgetting that multi accounting is prevalent in halo and non existent in COD


I know people who multi account in Call of Duty. They get to the end of their prestige and have no guns left and just decide to start a new account, usually with a one month or free trial.

  • 07.15.2009 5:41 PM PDT

I am of an open mind and I am willing to hear criticism. Also: That's stupid and you're stupid.

Posted by: STiS
Posted by: xXDarkCrimsonXx
Posted by: STiS
Posted by: BULLETxSP0NGE
Most played games in 2008

1 Halo 3
2 Call of Duty 4
6 CoD: World at War



i wonder what that list looks like without #6



Simple, it looks like;

Top Xbox LIVE Games of 2007(Based on Online Connectivity)
1 Halo 3
2 Gears of War
3 Call of Duty 4
4 Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six Vegas
5 Call Of Duty 3
6 Crackdown
7 Oblivion
8 Guitar Hero II
9 Forza Motorsport 2
10 Lost Planet


again these are unique player "hits"

irrelevant really

its the most played games each week that matters bcuz it shows how much the game is actually being played not how many different people signed onto the game at one point


During the weeks of 2007, 2008, and 2009, Halo 3 remained the most played. The only time it was knocked off is when the "Halo crushing games" came out for the first time. Most of those players went back to Halo 3 a few days later.

Heck, I even went off Halo to play these games for a few days, because I thought they were going to be good.

EDIT: You cannot provide proof of weekly #1 spots at all. If you're going to sit at your computer and say otherwise, you're wasting your time. Halo 3 is the most played game of the year for years 2007-2009, and this has already been proven in two posts.

[Edited on 07.15.2009 5:43 PM PDT]

  • 07.15.2009 5:42 PM PDT

I am of an open mind and I am willing to hear criticism. Also: That's stupid and you're stupid.

Posted by: STiS
Posted by: STiS

w/e its really not that important to me

and considering its not even the topic of the thread its about time to drop it anyways


QFT

/discussion


When you have lost a discussion that was inevitably going to fail, just admit you lost. It's okay.

Now perhaps you can provide actual facts to support your OP.

  • 07.15.2009 5:44 PM PDT

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Yes some actually reasons of why they should take the AR out would be nice to hear...

  • 07.15.2009 5:46 PM PDT

I am of an open mind and I am willing to hear criticism. Also: That's stupid and you're stupid.

I found a nice video of how well MLG played out back in the day. Here.

[Edited on 07.15.2009 5:50 PM PDT]

  • 07.15.2009 5:49 PM PDT

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Posted by: STiS
Posted by: ShadowScythe159
Yes some actually reasons of why they should take the AR out would be nice to hear...


i gave my reasons

its redundant and encourages poor gameplay


When you say redundant you are also referring to all Halo 3 weapons.The BR you aim and shoot.Same with AR,Spikers,Sniper,Shotgun-Shall I continue?
And For the poor gameplay,Do you expect for all low ranks to master the BR?No.If they aren't encouraged to use the BR or any other weapon they won't use it.They are trying to get kills and they found a way to do it.
Your being a poor sport about it because you can't get by them even when you have a BR.

  • 07.15.2009 5:50 PM PDT

http://achievementgen.info/view.php?ach=22555

Posted by: xXDarkCrimsonXx
I found a nice video of how well MLG played out back in the day. Here.

Wow....I actually never knew that MLG used AR's back in CE xD

  • 07.15.2009 5:51 PM PDT