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Subject: Remove the AR from Halo:Reach

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the HCE pistol was the best spawn weapon in halo history

the H:CE pistol is pretty much the exact same thing as a BR

2X scope
4 shot kills
12 trigger pulls to a mag
same accuracy (maybe a slight difference)

so what you're saying is that if the HCE pistol is the best spawn weapon, then the BR is also

  • 07.15.2009 6:50 PM PDT
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It was a 3 shot kill

  • 07.15.2009 6:53 PM PDT

Taking out the AR would make the game dull one dimensional and would only support one style of play...

These weapons can beat each other at different distances and they are evenly balanced.

The thing is, Bungie designed the game of halo to have a breadth and depth of decisions.

The players that like the BR are angry because their strategy can be beaten close range by a few shots and a bash.

Further more the BR players tend to be terrible at using other weapons because of lack of practice and implementation. Each weapon has its situational advantage learn which weapon works for what and against what. Let me ask you this...in a game of rock paper scissors would you ask to remove the paper and scissors.

STOP TRYING TO DUMB DOWN THE GAME!

If you would like to see more on this topic visit the real discussion at
http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=34724452&p ostRepeater1-p=3#34762868

  • 07.15.2009 7:21 PM PDT

M.A.W

the ar is awesome and besides it was brought back so people would use the b button more because they lacked using it in halo2

  • 07.15.2009 7:29 PM PDT

@Helveck

Just an Average Joe...

The weapon that started Halo? The basically fueled non-stop campaign action in Halo 1?

You're out of your -blam!- mind kid.

  • 07.15.2009 7:30 PM PDT

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Ok one the AR probably the crappiest weopon and I'm talking about the Halo 3 AR not the Halo CE AR, now back to the the crappy AR, couple of points
1. The AR range is so limited it makes the user go for the meelee lunge which is what makes the gun useless cause all you are thinking about is the meelee to finish your opponent off not trying to out shoot your opponent thats one reason MLG doesn't use the AR, they rather make you use something else than the meelee
2. The AR Accuracy makes it easy to counter by staying out of range and back trotting whenever someone charges you with it, its even inaccurate when in range easily being out BR at close to mid range, as long as you stay out of meelee range your safe, I have personally taken out AR like this with a magnum and a grenade
3. The AR rate of fire and overall power so crippled it makes it only useful if and only if you go for the meelee lunge. It takes the intire clip to kill someone without the meelee and like1/2-3/4 of the clip to kill with the meelee and thats if you are consentant with your shot

so yes I agree the Halo 3 AR sould not be in reach instead let's use that wonderful Assault Riffle in Halo CE that could be use in more than one way and in rare cases took out the pistol if it was in truely skilled hands

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  • 07.15.2009 7:38 PM PDT
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Hell no.
Posted by: Helveck
The weapon that started Halo? The basically fueled non-stop campaign action in Halo 1?

You're out of your -blam!- mind kid.
Agreed.

[Edited on 07.15.2009 7:48 PM PDT]

  • 07.15.2009 7:46 PM PDT

his points make all the sense because he is backing up what he said besides, the forum post that you wrote for the forum isnt enough reason to get anybody to fully agree or even listen and follow your complaint. as he said, you have to better than that.

  • 07.15.2009 7:48 PM PDT

numeber 3 of your statement is wrong. i have done experiments with the AR.
1.it takes 6 shots and a melee to kill an opponent
2.it take 16 shots to kill a person
and this has been tested and proven

  • 07.15.2009 7:51 PM PDT

Challenge me to a Hawaiian Punch chugging contest. I dare you.


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$.50 in store credit.

Posted by: Hylebos
Thats it? Not a well thought out and biasless post? Three punctuationless sentences?

Your going to need to do better than that if you want to kill the AR. It will be back.
Yup. Apparenlty he can only muster enough hate of my thread to write three sentences. The angry message he sent me was of a simmilar size, and also punctuationless.

  • 07.15.2009 8:35 PM PDT

Why is his gamertag thatlolguy?

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Pretty good small map starter weapon though...........


not at all

on small maps it reinforces the strategy of rushing the centre of the map and spray melee

hilariously poor gameplay and unfortunately what most casual players associate with halo

no wonder COD overtook it


Ladies and Gentlemen we have a CoD fan
Not that I have a problem with CoD its just that you seem to compare the two different games as if they were the same. Besides it's not hilariously poor gameplay. It reinforces a strategy meleeing. It's what Halo is about. Halo is about a mixture of melee combat to long range combat. Unlike CoD which enforces much more gunplay.

  • 07.15.2009 10:59 PM PDT

the smg is useless

  • 07.15.2009 11:07 PM PDT
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Yes, let's get rid of the weapon that started jumpstarted the best selling trilogy of games of all time, created a multi million dollar developer and saved an entire console from bankruptcy, sounds splendid.

  • 07.15.2009 11:10 PM PDT

you maked this post just because everyone hates the girly BR?

your post just doesn't make sense

let this thread die

  • 07.15.2009 11:11 PM PDT
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An assault rifle is mandatory. Just balance it better. The problem in Halo 3 isn't the AR its the huge melee lunge and lock on that make melee so easy. The truth is without using melee you will usually get murdered in an AR vs AR fight. Its the same way using grenades is needed when using the BR because if you don't your opponent will because the grenades have such a short fuse making them severely easy to use. Bungie needs to stop making everything easy. Look at the Missile Pod and Spartan Laser, what happened to using rockets to defeat vehicles.

  • 07.15.2009 11:12 PM PDT

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Posted by: Hylebos
Thats it? Not a well thought out and biasless post? Three punctuationless sentences?

Your going to need to do better than that if you want to kill the AR. It will be back.


attacking the person not the points

classic sign that youre losing an argument


No, OP, sadly you're the one losing the fight. Wall of text in ant-br thread > Three punctuationless sentences

  • 07.15.2009 11:13 PM PDT

Signatures are for squares.

Posted by: z0rgy
or make it like it was in HCE


Considering the Time Frame, it would HAVE to be MA5B's.

  • 07.15.2009 11:21 PM PDT

Multiplayer Gameplay
Halo:CE------------------Reach--------Halo2-----------------H alo3
Campaign Experience
Reach----Halo:CE-----------------ODST-----Halo2---------Halo3

Glad that Halo 3 garbage is dead, thanks to Reach.
Unfreakenbelievable!!

There always has to be some weapon that is easy to use for scrubs so they don't lose interrest.

As long as they change its functionality a bit, or elminate AR-only starts from the existence of this game, then I'll be fine.


I never really use the AR, because it is repetitive and too easy to aim. If I want easy to use weapons, then I'll play COD4.


I say leave it in there for all these little "Bungie I love what you are doing" fanboys. But, rebalance the weapon set around ranged tactics. Bring out the range of the AR and balance it more with the design of the M6D Pistol. Then, we will have an accurate precision weapon in the Magnum, which started this whole fanbase in the first place, and we will have an automatic "noob" rifle to balance the skill levels a bit.

  • 07.16.2009 12:15 AM PDT

The AR FAILS it doesnt have range like the BR, and yet the BR beats the AR close range if you use it right.

  • 07.16.2009 12:20 AM PDT

If they need a rapid fire weapon the should use the silenced smg from ODST.

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  • 07.16.2009 12:22 AM PDT
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why take out the iconical weapon of halo?

Close and personal weapon, in skilled hands can take out enemys at medium range, can be countered by BR...and any other weapon for that matter

so what was the problem with the AR again?

  • 07.16.2009 5:09 AM PDT