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Subject: Remove the AR from Halo:Reach

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Since Reach is a prequel to Halo CE, that means we might see the classic AR again. I agree that in Halo 3 the AR power was stripped. But that doesnt mean it needs to be taken out completely.

  • 07.16.2009 5:33 AM PDT

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Just for the record.

Halo CE pistol-
3 head shot kills.(Near impossible to pull of because of the lack of autoaim)
Semi-auto. (You can hold the trigger)
2xScope
I believe it was 9 or 10 shots.

BR-
4 head shot kills. (The burst makes it difficult to pull this off)
Burst Fire
2x Scope
12 shots per clip.

The pistol was better, but nobody really complained, since there was no "XBL"

Now....

MA5B Assault Rifle-
60 bullet clip
Took about 40 shots for a kill (Meaning that at max you could get around 2 kills per clip because Melee wasn't as effective)
Only effective in short range.
Armor piercing rounds. (Could rip through a scorpion or warthog)
Sounded like an actual Rifle
Was not a dominant weapon(The pistol was)

The MA5C Assault Rifle-
32 bullet clip.
20 well placed shots for a kill.(However with the melee upgrade, it is possible to get 6 kills in one clip)
An effective Short-Midrange weapon, even beating a BR half the time.
Not as effective on Vehicles.
Sounds like a paintball gun
Is a dominant weapon.

I don't know about you guys, but I'd MUCH rather have an MA5B.

  • 07.16.2009 6:25 AM PDT

Posted by: XxJakeMasterxX
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It is redundant because of the BR.

It is overlapped by the BR

All the freaking spawn weapons are the same in terms of being repetitive or not, because ALL YOU DO IS SHOOT!

  • 07.16.2009 6:29 AM PDT

I believe the real problem with the AR stems from the fact that melee'ing is far too effective in combination with the AR for how easy it is to execute. This is mainly attributed to the enormous lunge players have. If the AR stays in Halo:Reach, then the melee system should be tweaked so that the damage is lessened or the lunge/auto-aim is reduced.

  • 07.16.2009 7:43 AM PDT

The Assault Rifle,when used correctly,is a force to be reckoned with.To use correctly:Short controlled bursts.I think a marine or even Johnson says that line.It has meaning.When the bursts are short the bullets are more accurate.It isn't a BR for sure,but its a pretty close second.You shoot the bursts into the mid to upper section of your opponents body and it is really effective.

And if you are good enough you can short burst people across maps.Can't kill them,but it will hit them and make them move.

  • 07.16.2009 7:54 AM PDT

Posted by: privet caboose
Just for the record.

Halo CE pistol-
3 head shot kills.(Near impossible to pull of because of the lack of autoaim)
Semi-auto. (You can hold the trigger)
2xScope
I believe it was 12 shots.

BR-
4 head shot kills. (The burst makes it difficult to pull this off)
Burst Fire
2x Scope
12 shots per clip.

The pistol was better, but nobody really complained, since there was no "XBL"

Now....

MA5B Assault Rifle-
60 bullet clip
Took about 40 shots for a kill (Meaning that at max you could get around 2 kills per clip because Melee wasn't as effective)
Only effective in short range.
Armor piercing rounds. (Could rip through a scorpion or warthog)
Sounded like an actual Rifle
Was not a dominant weapon(The pistol was)

The MA5C Assault Rifle-
32 bullet clip.
20 well placed shots for a kill.(However with the melee upgrade, it is possible to get 6 kills in one clip)
An effective Short-Midrange weapon, even beating a BR half the time.
Not as effective on Vehicles.
Sounds like a paintball gun
Is a dominant weapon.

I don't know about you guys, but I'd MUCH rather have an MA5B.


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  • 07.16.2009 7:57 AM PDT

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Or you could just open your eyes for once and realize that video games is not and never has been something to be taken seriously. Thus, nobody can be "pro" at it. The BR is an available weapon that anyone has the option to get kills with. People put it on a pedestal just as much as they put Infinity Ward on a pedestal for CoD 4, which is flat out pathetic.

Play the god damn game for fun. You don't need a certain weapon to get kills and have fun. You can get a kill with a plasma pistol if you know what you're doing. You just got sucked in to the stereotype made by MLG -blam!-s that the BR is the only "legit" weapon in the whole game. Nothing else is good. If you use any other weapon, you suck. You are then considered a "noob."

So wake up. Be one of the normal people out there who just see's video games as a form of entertainment. Entertainment has never been something to take seriously. But since you basically just made a thread opposing a well thought out thread that actually has valid points, took time to make, actually has a purpose other than take up forum space, and is one of the most useful and informative threads on the whole damn site. This pathetic thread that you made will not be taken seriously by anyone who clicks the link to enter the thread. Its hard to believe that you didn't even think of that before you posted.

  • 07.16.2009 7:59 AM PDT
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AR stays always.

  • 07.16.2009 8:11 AM PDT

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Posted by: mubox47
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Posted by: Flaargman 117
It is redundant because of the BR.

It is overlapped by the BR

All the freaking spawn weapons are the same in terms of being repetitive or not, because ALL YOU DO IS SHOOT!


lol you should probably learn what redundant and overlap mean
I think he does know. We have multiple playlists containing BR only starts. BR starts also appear in every other playlist. There is not a single map without a BR. That does seem a little redundant.

[Edited on 07.16.2009 8:16 AM PDT]

  • 07.16.2009 8:12 AM PDT
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Posted by: MacAttack1011
Or you could just open your eyes for once and realize that video games is not and never has been something to be taken seriously. Thus, nobody can be "pro" at it. The BR is an available weapon that anyone has the option to get kills with. People put it on a pedestal just as much as they put Infinity Ward on a pedestal for CoD 4, which is flat out pathetic.

Play the god damn game for fun. You don't need a certain weapon to get kills and have fun. You can get a kill with a plasma pistol if you know what you're doing. You just got sucked in to the stereotype made by MLG -blam!-s that the BR is the only "legit" weapon in the whole game. Nothing else is good. If you use any other weapon, you suck. You are then considered a "noob."

So wake up. Be one of the normal people out there who just see's video games as a form of entertainment. Entertainment has never been something to take seriously. But since you basically just made a thread opposing a well thought out thread that actually has valid points, took time to make, actually has a purpose other than take up forum space, and is one of the most useful and informative threads on the whole damn site. This pathetic thread that you made will not be taken seriously by anyone who clicks the link to enter the thread. Its hard to believe that you didn't even think of that before you posted.

Your absolutely right.

  • 07.16.2009 8:13 AM PDT

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Posted by: MacAttack1011
Or you could just open your eyes for once and realize that video games is not and never has been something to be taken seriously. Thus, nobody can be "pro" at it. The BR is an available weapon that anyone has the option to get kills with. People put it on a pedestal just as much as they put Infinity Ward on a pedestal for CoD 4, which is flat out pathetic.

Play the god damn game for fun. You don't need a certain weapon to get kills and have fun. You can get a kill with a plasma pistol if you know what you're doing. You just got sucked in to the stereotype made by MLG -blam!-s that the BR is the only "legit" weapon in the whole game. Nothing else is good. If you use any other weapon, you suck. You are then considered a "noob."

So wake up. Be one of the normal people out there who just see's video games as a form of entertainment. Entertainment has never been something to take seriously. But since you basically just made a thread opposing a well thought out thread that actually has valid points, took time to make, actually has a purpose other than take up forum space, and is one of the most useful and informative threads on the whole damn site. This pathetic thread that you made will not be taken seriously by anyone who clicks the link to enter the thread. Its hard to believe that you didn't even think of that before you posted.

You're absolutely right.
Thank you.

And fix'd....sorry. OCD habit to fix spelling/grammar issues.

  • 07.16.2009 8:14 AM PDT

I find it amusing how we are fighting to the death over this when the decision for the basic weapons of the game have probably already been made by this point and its now up to the programmers to get the balance right.

Both the AR and the BR will return in Reach. They might not function quite like they did in Halo 3, but they will be back.

  • 07.16.2009 8:17 AM PDT

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Posted by: mubox47
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Posted by: Hylebos
I find it amusing how we are fighting to the death over this when the decision for the basic weapons of the game have probably already been made by this point and its now up to the programmers to get the balance right.

Both the AR and the BR will return in Reach. They might not function quite like they did in Halo 3, but they will be back.
That does seem most likely.

  • 07.16.2009 8:23 AM PDT

Beware the smiley face! =D

Make the AR like it was in Halo 1, maybe changed a bit. REMOVE THE BR.

Tyvm /thread

EDIT - Remove the BR because of timeline, not gameplay. Battle rifle wasnt around before Halo 1 so AR will have to stay.

[Edited on 07.16.2009 8:24 AM PDT]

  • 07.16.2009 8:23 AM PDT

What amuses me the most is the people who are saying "The AR in Reach will be like the Halo CE AR since they are around the same time period."

Heres a question, why didn't they make the Halo 3 AR like the Halo CE AR? Because after a year or two, they came out with a "better" AR through development? Some story related reason? All the Halo CE ARs were destroyed on the first Halo?

Hell no.

They came out with a new AR because it fit the sandbox balance of the game. They will come out with a new AR in Reach because it will fit the sandbox balance of the game. This isn't "Halo CE 2 with better graphics and matchmaking". This is Halo Reach. Bungie will do whatever the hell they please to make sure the multiplayer and campaign is balanced.

In ODST, are we getting an exact gameplay version of the Halo CE Scoped Pistol?

Hell no.

The scoped pistol in ODST was designed to be balanced so it wouldn't shred through brutes with ease. They could just have easily given you the Halo CE pistol, but they didn't, for a reason.

It baffles me why people would reason that Canon would take priority over gameplay. There is a balance yes, but you are running too far to one end of the scale.

  • 07.16.2009 8:51 AM PDT
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I totally agree with you. I wouldn't mind them getting rid of it.

  • 07.16.2009 8:52 AM PDT

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Posted by: xXDarkCrimsonXx
I found a nice video of how well MLG played out back in the day. Here.
Halo 1 took way more skill than Halo 2/3, so even the pros back then couldn't get 3SKs with the Pistol even though now they bust out 4SK after 4SK with the BR. The game has been watered down and slowed down too much in 2 and 3. It's not Halo anymore.

  • 07.16.2009 8:53 AM PDT

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Posted by: privet caboose
Halo CE pistol-
3 head shot kills.(Near impossible to pull of because of the lack of autoaim)
Semi-auto. (You can hold the trigger)
2xScope
I believe it was 9 or 10 shots.
The H1 Pistol was fully automatic and it had 12 shots/magazine.

  • 07.16.2009 8:56 AM PDT

Lol you fail.

The assault rifle is a legendary weapon. It's MC's favorite for a reason

  • 07.16.2009 9:06 AM PDT

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No it was a great starting weapon in Halo CE and if done right will be a great starting weapon in Halo Reach. You need to get over your BR55 fetish. A better balanced assault rifle and pistol as the spawning weapons would make Reach a much better game than repetitive battle rifle fights. The battle rifle should return though, with more range and less spread. It should only found on map in matchmaking and made useless in CQC.


the HCE pistol was the best spawn weapon in halo history

the AR in HCE just like in H3 was a complete failure as a spawn weapon and was quickly thrown aside in favour of pistol spawns


You are NOWHERE CLOSE to the truth! I was playing Halo CE last night, and there are still loyal Blood Gulch AR/Pistol spawn players, and everyone has their combat preference. The AR was a win weapon up to a range of about 25 feet, on full auto. If bursts, its range is extended to about 40 feet. The pistol filled almost every range beyond that.

I have officially flattened your argument.



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  • 07.16.2009 9:07 AM PDT

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Posted by: Rammal94
Make the AR like it was in Halo 1, maybe changed a bit. REMOVE THE BR.

Tyvm /thread

EDIT - Remove the BR because of timeline, not gameplay. Battle rifle wasnt around before Halo 1 so AR will have to stay.


Actually, it was a concept weapon at the time of the invasion of Harvest. It was called the XBR55.

Sorry for double post.

  • 07.16.2009 9:12 AM PDT
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How about we remove all of the weapons and the melee system just run around unable to kill each other?

  • 07.16.2009 10:37 AM PDT