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As you progress throughout your life you realize that the older you get the closer your are to death, the only thing you cannot change.

If you listen to the trailer, once it gets farther in, the dialogue matches what happens to the Spartan IIs when they were in the pelican going down to defend the generators(or something like that) that was mentioned in Halo First Strike.

There is one more thing I found, if you look at the banner it says "Falls 2010" obviously meaning two things, the game is coming in fall 2010(likely anyway) and it also saying that this game is most likely the Fall of Reach

[Edited on 07.17.2009 11:30 AM PDT]

  • 07.17.2009 10:56 AM PDT
Subject: Did anyone else notice this?

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Neat little easter egg there!

  • 07.17.2009 11:06 AM PDT
Subject: Bungie gave us more information then we originally thought

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This man, this man right here put it so eloquently that I actually cancelled my own 2000+ word long post.
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  • 07.17.2009 11:19 AM PDT

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Posted by: x Foman123 x
Actually, I find that I'm more invincible without pants, which is why I am not wearing any at the moment.

Just compared the two. the same as far as I can tell.

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Posted by: EpicFailMan50
Just compared the two. the same as far as I can tell.

Just some differences in dialogue really

  • 07.17.2009 11:24 AM PDT

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  • 07.17.2009 11:55 AM PDT
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Posted by: pittofdoom
Wow, dude. You're a genius.

That post was so short I couldn't even tell if it was sarcasm.

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  • 07.17.2009 12:12 PM PDT
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No.

You didn't have to quote it, we see it earlier ith the thread.

  • 07.17.2009 12:32 PM PDT

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The Falls probably refers to Spartan Red Team's fall to the surface from their disabled Pelican like how ODST's "Drops" tagline refers to the helljumpers' drop to Earth in their HEVs.

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Yes, the dialogue matches... but not the call signs. Which is why we ain't going to play as Blue Team (or what was the color?).

320 and 259.... Spartan III Gamma company received orders few weeks after The Battle of Reach.
The Gamma Company consisted 330 members (of which 15 didn't take part in Gamma's mission, whatever it was). Spartan IIIs refer themselves as Spartans too. Spartan=S=Sierra
True, S-IIIs had their companys letter in front of the number... but maybe in combat they drop it.

I think we're going to play as Spartan-IIIs in Halo: Reach, arriving to Reach few weeks after it was lost. Humans have fought (IE Harvest) from already lost planets earlier.. so why not now?

  • 07.17.2009 1:28 PM PDT

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Yes, the dialogue matches... but not the call signs. Which is why we ain't going to play as Blue Team (or what was the color?).

320 and 259.... Spartan III Gamma company received orders few weeks after The Battle of Reach.
The Gamma Company consisted 330 members (of which 15 didn't take part in Gamma's mission, whatever it was). Spartan IIIs refer themselves as Spartans too. Spartan=S=Sierra
True, S-IIIs had their companys letter in front of the number... but maybe in combat they drop it.

I think we're going to play as Spartan-IIIs in Halo: Reach, arriving to Reach few weeks after it was lost. Humans have fought (IE Harvest) from already lost planets earlier.. so why not now?


Yes please ! Would love to see this.

  • 07.17.2009 1:34 PM PDT
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I don't know why everyone thinks just because the Spartans have a 2(or higher) in the beginning of their numbers that they aren't S-II's. There was a huge variety of children to be possibly chosen as candidates for the program.

That means some children with numbers larger than 200(Like OMG rite?) can still be Spartan II's.

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  • 07.17.2009 1:36 PM PDT

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S-P-ACE! SPACE!

Not to try to be an -blam!-, but most people should have known this. I knew about the "Spartan Dialogue" when I first saw the trailer. I had easily worked out that Reach falls is Halo Reach.
Simply, this is not a very original thread.

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I don't know why everyone thinks just because the Spartans have a 2(or higher) in the beginning of their numbers that they aren't S-II's. There was a huge variety of children to be possibly chosen as candidates for the program.

That means some children with numbers larger than 200(Like OMG rite?) can still be Spartan II's.

No this is not possible.
Spartan Programme looked for some very specific genes (or gene patterns? Is that right expression?) There were 150 candidates.. of those only 75 were accepted due budget. Of those, only 33 survived the training.
All Spartan IIs had callnumbers less than 151 (1-150).

Spartan IIIs genetic requirements were a lot looser, that's why there were 3 S-III companies, each of which had 300-330 Spartan IIIs.

EDIT, Nicole 4something is not canonical as she is a combatant in DOA4
Also, I Love Bees described Spartan II Class 2 but according to Bungie, ILB is not canonical.

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  • 07.17.2009 1:48 PM PDT

Look at the top of the page... It says Halo Reach, then has a picture of some silhouettes. Going from left to right:
This seems to be a huge Spartan, carrying a stationary turret. Next character seems too small to be a Spartan, my guess would be Dr. Halsey. She was a main character in the book "The Fall of Reach". I'm guessing that she would talk to the Spartan you play, just like Cortana did to S117, be it through comms or her in close proximity.
The next is obviously a Spartan, you can tell by the visor on the helmet, and the arm.
To the right, the other two, first one also appears to be a Spartan, but the one with the sniper rifle doesn't look beefy enough.
Thoughts?

  • 07.17.2009 1:51 PM PDT
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Old news, but I agree

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Look at the top of the page... It says Halo Reach, then has a picture of some silhouettes. Going from left to right:
This seems to be a huge Spartan, carrying a stationary turret. Next character seems too small to be a Spartan, my guess would be Dr. Halsey. She was a main character in the book "The Fall of Reach". I'm guessing that she would talk to the Spartan you play, just like Cortana did to S117, be it through comms or her in close proximity.
The next is obviously a Spartan, you can tell by the visor on the helmet, and the arm.
To the right, the other two, first one also appears to be a Spartan, but the one with the sniper rifle doesn't look beefy enough.
Thoughts?

The second figure seems a bit feminime. But i think its a marine. The others do look like Spartans but call signs still don't match to Halo: Fall of Reach dialogue. Of course Bungie can add additional Spartan-IIs and such. Retcons or additional canon.

  • 07.17.2009 2:00 PM PDT

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Posted by: DreadSK
I don't know why everyone thinks just because the Spartans have a 2(or higher) in the beginning of their numbers that they aren't S-II's. There was a huge variety of children to be possibly chosen as candidates for the program.

That means some children with numbers larger than 200(Like OMG rite?) can still be Spartan II's.

No this is not possible.
Spartan Programme looked for some very specific genes (or gene patterns? Is that right expression?) There were 150 candidates.. of those only 75 were accepted due budget. Of those, only 33 survived the training.
All Spartan IIs had callnumbers less than 151 (1-150).

Spartan IIIs genetic requirements were a lot looser, that's why there were 3 S-III companies, each of which had 300-330 Spartan IIIs.

EDIT, Nicole 4something is not canonical as she is a combatant in DOA4
Also, I Love Bees described Spartan II Class 2 but according to Bungie, ILB is not canonical.



Spartan IIIs identify there squad before there number. They announced there call sign, the exact same way a Spartan II does. The image of Spartans for Halo: Reach, can't be of Spartan IIIs. One guy is clearly wearing MK V. Another guy is clearly taller than most Sp IIs. Beyond that, it doesn't make sense for any Sp IIIs to exist on Reach. The only unaccounted for Spartan IIIs are Gamma company. And according to Halo wiki, they were deployed a few weeks after Reach fell. It doesn't make sense for the game to take place a few weeks after reach fell.

In the teaser trailer, the spartans announce their presence during the battle of Reach. The tagline for Halo: Reach is, "falls 2010". Unless Bungie has gotten into the habit of hiring illiterate people, its safe to say atleast part of Halo: Reach occurs during the fall of Reach. Which means, unless there was a Spartan IIII project, running concurrently with the Spartan III project, they are spartan IIs.


When Bungie created Nicole, they said it was because Team Ninja asked to use Masterchief. But they said they couldn't let them use Masterchief because he was fictionally busy. So they created Nicole, and the fiction behind her.

So what im saying is, Nicole always had a fictional background, based in the Halo universe. She was born in 2531, Spartans are conscripted at the age of six. That means Nicoles backstory fits in with ILBs statement that the second generation of spartan IIs were conscripted in 2537. This would place the conscription of second generation spartan IIs as occuring in the same year Beta company was authorized, two years before SP IIIs were conscripted, and four years before the SP IIIS had gone through augmentation. Is it possible ONI didn't put all of its eggs in one basket? Especially when it became clear that the SP III project could not deliver on the promise of hundreds of thousands of Spartan IIIs.


Here is a quote from Joseph Staten, from a couple years back. He was talking about the Cortana letters. But its possible what he said applies to Nicoles backstory.

The Halo story has as many loose threads as influences. And we do our best to sew the former into canon as we find them - are reminded of their potential. The Cortana Letters are an excellent example of this phenomenon. For all sorts of reasons, they lingered in canonical purgatory for years. But when we needed some compelling dialog to remind folks what's at stake in Halo3: Bam! Newfound utility! Alas, I'd have to say that, as of now, the only canonized parts of the letters are the fragments we pulled for use in the announcement trailer.


I think Bungie was looking at where they could go next. And they thought, "maybe its not such a bad idea to have a second generation of Sp IIs afterall". So they built on the small frame work, established by the backstory of Nicole. They canonized parts of her backstory. That they were all born in and around , 2531, and persumably that the second generation spartan two project began six years later.



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  • 07.17.2009 4:16 PM PDT

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Posted by: ThePantryMaster
Look at the top of the page... It says Halo Reach, then has a picture of some silhouettes. Going from left to right:
This seems to be a huge Spartan, carrying a stationary turret. Next character seems too small to be a Spartan, my guess would be Dr. Halsey. She was a main character in the book "The Fall of Reach". I'm guessing that she would talk to the Spartan you play, just like Cortana did to S117, be it through comms or her in close proximity.
The next is obviously a Spartan, you can tell by the visor on the helmet, and the arm.
To the right, the other two, first one also appears to be a Spartan, but the one with the sniper rifle doesn't look beefy enough.
Thoughts?

1) Or a portable version of a turret.
2) Looks can be deceiving. It's likely to be Kelly-087.
3) Yeah. Spartan.
4) Spartan.
5) Spartan as well. Linda. Can't remember her service number.

  • 07.17.2009 4:22 PM PDT

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Posted by: MLG Cheehwawa
The Falls probably refers to Spartan Red Team's fall to the surface from their disabled Pelican like how ODST's "Drops" tagline refers to the helljumpers' drop to Earth in their HEVs.


Right, you seem to put this on every thread where this comes up.

Frankly, it is retarded.

ODST "drops" because it is Orbital DROP Shock Trooper, it actually has something to do with the story.

Reach "falls" because the planet fell, like in the fall of Reach.
Why would they say something that is completely different from the obvious?

They could have said the Pelican dropped or plummeted.
The book, however, is the FALL of Reach.

On Topic: Yeah, most of this is obvious. The people in the banner all are Spartans, you can clearly see it if you blow up the picture.

The rest of the thread is speculation, which should wait untill Reach falls.

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Posted by: MLG Cheehwawa
The Falls probably refers to Spartan Red Team's fall to the surface from their disabled Pelican like how ODST's "Drops" tagline refers to the helljumpers' drop to Earth in their HEVs.


Right, you seem to put this on every thread where this comes up.

Frankly, it is retarded.

ODST "drops" because it is Orbital DROP Shock Trooper, it actually has something to do with the story.

Reach "falls" because the planet fell, like in the fall of Reach.
Why would they say something that is completely different from the obvious?

They could have said the Pelican dropped or plummeted.
The book, however, is the FALL of Reach.

On Topic: Yeah, most of this is obvious. The people in the banner all are Spartans, you can clearly see it if you blow up the picture.

The rest of the thread is speculation, which should wait untill Reach falls.


Agreed.

  • 07.17.2009 4:49 PM PDT

It's not Hip-Hop, its Electro.... prick.

yeah I sorta figured that out when I first saw it. Like "Reach... Falls 2010"

  • 07.17.2009 5:09 PM PDT