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  • 07.18.2009 12:02 PM PDT

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There need to be multiple BR style guns that aren't nerfed in Halo:reach. Sure Bungie might want to increase the power of the SMG/Dual Wields by say 1.2 but other then that Halo 3 was pretty balanced.

The only reason people whine about BRs is they are pretty much the only mid-range gun. Considering most fights are mid-range in Halo 3 (look it up on Halo:Charts) people think the BR is overpowerd. The BR is the weakest mid-range gun in any Halo game. It is a lot weaker then the Halo 2 BR with the crazy auto-aim. The only thing is the maps are bigger in Halo 3. So if there were a couple more people wouldn't be whining as much.

  • 07.18.2009 12:07 PM PDT

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Perhaps Bungie could put in different variants of the BR (i.e. one with 3-round burst, one with single-shot semi-automatic fire, and one fully automatics). They'd just need to adjust the damage of each in order to balance the game. Even if they all inflicted virtually the same amount of damage per second, it would have the effect of three different guns.

  • 07.18.2009 12:13 PM PDT

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In the Reach picture it kind of looks like the guy in the middle is holding a BR.

  • 07.18.2009 12:37 PM PDT

Of course there will be a weapon to fill the medium range niche. It doesn't need to be as easily adaptable as it is in Halo 3 however. I'm sure Bungie has already decided what areas they are going to target, and its up to them to balance it out over the course of the designing of Reach and the multiplayer beta.

  • 07.18.2009 12:45 PM PDT

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Posted by: Hylebos
Of course there will be a weapon to fill the medium range niche. It doesn't need to be as easily adaptable as it is in Halo 3 however. I'm sure Bungie has already decided what areas they are going to target, and its up to them to balance it out over the course of the designing of Reach and the multiplayer beta.


no...there needs to be a utilitarian weapon that works best at mid range

not just a mid range weapon


This is how I understand how Halo was designed.

There are four ranges: Long, Medium, Close, and Melee.

Each weapon is designed for one particular range, and it has an advantage at that range over weapons from other ranges.

I never said Halo should become Rock Paper Sissors. In a way, things already work a bit like this.

If you have a BR at close range, and you don't have a close range weapon and find yourself facing a close range opponent, you can improvise and possibly overcome the disadvantage you find yourself at using grenades and headshots or melee and headshots or by simply having better aim than the AR user (Yes, the AR needs to be aimed, please don't make me launch into that speech).

If you have an AR at medium range, and you don't have a medium ranged weapon, and you find yourself facing a medium range opponent, you can use a grenade to take out the shields and burst fire to take him out.

All the guns are utilitarian at ranges adjacent to their own. Naturally an AR can't do much against a sniper from long range, nor can a BR do much against a shotgunner at melee range.

The abillity to adapt these weapons to ranges they weren't designed for is what seperates the good players from the bad. Due to your limit of two weapons at a time, you can never fully cover all your bases, so players are forced to improvise.

When I say that something is a mid range weapon or a close range weapon, I leave out the utillitarian part because I know that all the weapons in this game are already utilitarian in some form.

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Of course there needs to be one. The problem in Halo 3 is all the other weapons are weak and lack any range at all. That makes the BR the only gun you need. I usually beat people in close quarters who are using close range weapons with the BR. In Halo CE the pistol was overpowered but the other weapons had uses so it didn't make a giant difference like the BR does in Halo 3.

  • 07.18.2009 1:03 PM PDT

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you know damn well that the pistol/BR is much more utilitarian than the other weapons and you also know what i meant so please stop with the side steps

I would agree, the BR is much easier to adapt than the AR as it currently exists in Halo 3, and it takes quite a bit of proficiency with the close range weapons to overcome it. Which is why if any changes need to be made to the sandbox in Halo Reach, it is to make all the weapons equally utilitarian.

Why is it that it should be harder to adapt the AR to medium range than it is to adapt the BR to close range? If anything they should be equally as hard.

  • 07.18.2009 1:07 PM PDT

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If it is half and half on BR stronger/weaker don't you think it should stay the same then. I absolutely agree that the BR should be in Reach.

  • 07.19.2009 6:30 AM PDT

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Posted by: BrenMan 94
Perhaps Bungie could put in different variants of the BR (i.e. one with 3-round burst, one with single-shot semi-automatic fire, and one fully automatics). They'd just need to adjust the damage of each in order to balance the game. Even if they all inflicted virtually the same amount of damage per second, it would have the effect of three different guns.


I would like to see the single shot semi automactic BR from Halo 2 E3 demo, lets face it the spread is what makes the BR easy to learn, with out the spread the BR user would have to be more precise in his shots and use his scope at longer ranges, this would wider the skill gap between the BR users

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  • 07.19.2009 7:19 AM PDT
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The problem is that the BR is the only weapon you need in Halo 3. It's the weapon of my choice of course, but I could care less if they keep it or scrap it in Halo Reach. What I want to see changed is the gameplay dynamics that make one gun overpower every other weapon on the map. A little variety would be nice. I'm sick of everybody in a game having the same frggin weapon. Every player just moving side to side and shooting BR's at someone else moving side to side. Balance in mm is needed in reach. Weapon balance that is. No more one weapon is all you need crap. It gets boring.

Flame on MLG fanboys

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  • 07.19.2009 8:38 AM PDT

I say make it single shot (making it less useful at close range), with this, it's range would automatically increase. And then lower the rate of fire of the AR, making it less of a spray and pray weapon I.E. Harder to get more shots on your target.

  • 07.19.2009 8:41 AM PDT
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I've never heard anyone say make the BR stronger, that would be stupid. It's already very powerful/overpowered.

  • 07.19.2009 8:41 AM PDT

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Posted by: BULLETxSP0NGE
Of course there needs to be one. The problem in Halo 3 is all the other weapons are weak and lack any range at all. That makes the BR the only gun you need. I usually beat people in close quarters who are using close range weapons with the BR. In Halo CE the pistol was overpowered but the other weapons had uses so it didn't make a giant difference like the BR does in Halo 3.

That is exactly what my problem is with the BR. If Bungie solves this then I wouldn't mind having the BR.

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Posted by: BrenMan 94
Perhaps Bungie could put in different variants of the BR (i.e. one with 3-round burst, one with single-shot semi-automatic fire, and one fully automatics). They'd just need to adjust the damage of each in order to balance the game. Even if they all inflicted virtually the same amount of damage per second, it would have the effect of three different guns.


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  • 07.19.2009 8:45 AM PDT
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Posted by: ABotelho
I say make it single shot (making it less useful at close range), with this, it's range would automatically increase. And then lower the rate of fire of the AR, making it less of a spray and pray weapon I.E. Harder to get more shots on your target.


Your idea has good principle but the logic is flawed. One shot weapon = Carbine... One shot weapon = Sniper.

BR needs to be scrapped imo. Bring in something different and unseen until now. This is a new game after all. If you can't live without the BR go pop in Halo 3 and play with the rest of the MLG fanboys. You can whine about how there is no BR and have a pity party together.

[Edited on 07.19.2009 8:53 AM PDT]

  • 07.19.2009 8:52 AM PDT

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Posted by: ABotelho
I say make it single shot (making it less useful at close range), with this, it's range would automatically increase. And then lower the rate of fire of the AR, making it less of a spray and pray weapon I.E. Harder to get more shots on your target.


Your idea has good principle but the logic is flawed. One shot weapon = Carbine... One shot weapon = Sniper.

BR needs to be scrapped imo. Bring in something different and unseen until now. This is a new game after all. If you can't live without the BR go pop in Halo 3 and play with the rest of the MLG fanboys. You can whine about how there is no BR and have a pity party together.

Then scrap the BR, give us Halo 3 magnum with more range and scope, and make us use the carbine more.

  • 07.19.2009 8:56 AM PDT

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Holy crap drop the BR ok i hope there nothing like the BR in Halo reach.

  • 07.19.2009 8:59 AM PDT

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Posted by: BULLETxSP0NGE
Of course there needs to be one. The problem in Halo 3 is all the other weapons are weak and lack any range at all. That makes the BR the only gun you need. I usually beat people in close quarters who are using close range weapons with the BR. In Halo CE the pistol was overpowered but the other weapons had uses so it didn't make a giant difference like the BR does in Halo 3.
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  • 07.19.2009 9:11 AM PDT

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you know damn well that the pistol/BR is much more utilitarian than the other weapons and you also know what i meant so please stop with the side steps

I would agree, the BR is much easier to adapt than the AR as it currently exists in Halo 3, and it takes quite a bit of proficiency with the close range weapons to overcome it. Which is why if any changes need to be made to the sandbox in Halo Reach, it is to make all the weapons equally utilitarian.

Why is it that it should be harder to adapt the AR to medium range than it is to adapt the BR to close range? If anything they should be equally as hard.
bcuz the AR is easier to use

in your version of halo all the really easy to use weapons are just as effective as the BR

what would be the point of ever becoming good then?...you could just stay a spray and pray noob forever and do well(even more so than is possible in halo 3)

Well first, if you spray and pray, your going to get slaughtered by someone who carefully aims and burst fires his AR, and secondly, the AR is not a medium range weapon, so the BR would still be used when you enter medium range.

I find it so interesting how people say that its easy to use the AR when they also find it easy to use the BR, yet the AR ends up the "noob" weapon and the BR is a "Pro's" weapon, apparently.

  • 07.19.2009 9:36 AM PDT

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