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Subject: Do you Think : 2ed Mythic Map Pack Have Silent SMG and Pistol

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Posted by: re14llim
It's impossible, even if they tried to put it in they wouldn't get any luck.
Explain.

I'm pretty sure new weapons can be incorporated, but only into the new maps. As all the existing maps already have a set of weapons built for them. They can technically add more just like the Golf Club(no, that is NOT a reskin, its a completely new model using gravity hammer animations, it would be easy to do the same with the SMG, Magnum and Brute Plasma Rifle).

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Reach needs to be patched. It's the truth.

New Forge items at the most

  • 07.18.2009 3:06 PM PDT

Probably not.
But the 1st Disc, however...

  • 07.18.2009 3:06 PM PDT

Dues absconditus

Posted by: l97airborne
Posted by: AdeptShooter
No.
The Auto Mag, and Silenced SMG are written onto the Halo ODST CD, not the Halo 3 Multiplayer CD (ODST Comes with 2 CDs). So only the CD that has the weapons written onto it will have it, and allow it to be used. Since the Multiplayer one is basiclly a normal Halo 3 CD it won't be adding anything new.

EDIT: As some pointed out, they can be added as Reskined Weapons, but they won't have any of the same properties (Auto Fire, Scope) as the ones in ODST Campign and Firefight!
Also it is very unlikley Bungie would add them in as reskins.


holy crap have you ever heard of online gameplay, its called a update.
all who said its impossible- its vary easy if your online if ofline impossible.


You think its that simple? Take some programming courses in C++, then ask if its that simple to just update. The Auto Mag and Scope Function, are full methods, inserting them through an update is much harder then inserting a simple reskin, or blocking a method (ie: No Missle Hornet). Also if you add methods, that would mess with the entire Halo CD. An Engine just runs the game, doesn't make it. Both games are mounted on the same Engine, but both games are still different in the programing.

Also: The Auto Mag, and Silenced SMG Are ODST Specific Weapons, and would mess with Halo Multiplayer, so adding them is still an irrelevent idea.

Listen: It sounds good on paper, but in game play it won't work.

  • 07.18.2009 3:07 PM PDT

THE GAME

That would be cool if you could spawn them in forge on the new maps.

  • 07.18.2009 3:08 PM PDT

Can't they update Halo 3?

  • 07.18.2009 3:31 PM PDT

its easier than u think

  • 07.18.2009 3:32 PM PDT
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Posted by: Sp4rt4n119
Thank you sir, that was an epic rendition of this topic.


Posted by: Xx KNOX xX
and how!

Is this guy for real? I'm not sure if second grade just didn't like you or something, but you don't capitalize random words in a sentence...just the first word and proper nouns.

No. They will not have the M7S or the M6C/SOCOM. What are you talking about with the "Pix" thing?

  • 07.18.2009 3:35 PM PDT

Posted by: AdeptShooter
Posted by: l97airborne
Posted by: AdeptShooter
No.
The Auto Mag, and Silenced SMG are written onto the Halo ODST CD, not the Halo 3 Multiplayer CD (ODST Comes with 2 CDs). So only the CD that has the weapons written onto it will have it, and allow it to be used. Since the Multiplayer one is basiclly a normal Halo 3 CD it won't be adding anything new.

EDIT: As some pointed out, they can be added as Reskined Weapons, but they won't have any of the same properties (Auto Fire, Scope) as the ones in ODST Campign and Firefight!
Also it is very unlikley Bungie would add them in as reskins.


holy crap have you ever heard of online gameplay, its called a update.
all who said its impossible- its vary easy if your online if ofline impossible.


You think its that simple? Take some programming courses in C++, then ask if its that simple to just update. The Auto Mag and Scope Function, are full methods, inserting them through an update is much harder then inserting a simple reskin, or blocking a method (ie: No Missle Hornet). Also if you add methods, that would mess with the entire Halo CD. An Engine just runs the game, doesn't make it. Both games are mounted on the same Engine, but both games are still different in the programing.

Also: The Auto Mag, and Silenced SMG Are ODST Specific Weapons, and would mess with Halo Multiplayer, so adding them is still an irrelevent idea.

Listen: It sounds good on paper, but in game play it won't work.
READ.

adding them into FORGE would NOT alter Halo Multiplayer. adding it to FORGE would make it a fun tool to use for custom games and machinimas.

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Posted by: Sp4rt4n119
Thank you sir, that was an epic rendition of this topic.


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and how!

Posted by: Samurai102
cant they just update halo3? its easier than u think


Someone clearly knows nothing about programming.

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Posted by: Sp4rt4n119
Thank you sir, that was an epic rendition of this topic.


Posted by: Xx KNOX xX
and how!

Posted by: dvfah
READ.

adding them into FORGE would NOT alter Halo Multiplayer. adding it to FORGE would make it a fun tool to use for custom games and machinimas.


Did you READ anything he said? Of course it would be nice to have in forge, what he is trying to pound into your thick skull is that IT IS NOT AS SIMPLE AS YOU THINK.

  • 07.18.2009 3:37 PM PDT

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Posted by: dvfah
READ.

adding them into FORGE would NOT alter Halo Multiplayer. adding it to FORGE would make it a fun tool to use for custom games and machinimas.


Did you READ anything he said? Of course it would be nice to have in forge, what he is trying to pound into your thick skull is that IT IS NOT AS SIMPLE AS YOU THINK.
if you read my previous post, you'll understand. but for the sake of simplicity, i'll reiterate.

it would be easy to do. why? ODST and Halo 3 use the SAME engine. so since they've already altered the SMG files, Magnum files, and Plasma Rifle files, it would *basically* just be a simple copy-and-paste procedure to integrate the weapon into Halo 3.

now, if the games used different engines, then yeah, it'd be hard (if not impossible). but like i said, the fact that they DO use the same engine means that it'd be very easy to do.

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Posted by: Sp4rt4n119
Thank you sir, that was an epic rendition of this topic.


Posted by: Xx KNOX xX
and how!

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Posted by: re14llim
It's impossible, even if they tried to put it in they wouldn't get any luck.
Explain.

I'm pretty sure new weapons can be incorporated, but only into the new maps. As all the existing maps already have a set of weapons built for them. They can technically add more just like the Golf Club(no, that is NOT a reskin, its a completely new model using gravity hammer animations, it would be easy to do the same with the SMG, Magnum and Brute Plasma Rifle).


You say things like you think you know what you're talking about. You don't.

A model is a graphical representation of something. It could be a 2D image of Mario, a 3D model of an Assault Rifle, or a 3D model of a Carbine.

If I were to "reskin" the Assault Rifle with the Warthog model, it wouldn't be "a completely new model" as you call it. It would still function like an Assault Rifle, but instead the player would be holding a Carbine.

Another example. If I were to swap the model of a Warthog with the model of a Pelican, the reskinned Warthog would still work like a Warthog, but instead a Pelican would be there. It still has the same dimensions of a Warthog though, so parts of it would pass through other objects and players.

The 7 Wood on Sandbox is a "reskin" of the Gravity Hammer with slightly altered "gravity effects" [Hit a golf ball with a hammer compared to with a 7 Wood] It is not an entirely new object.

To reiterate, if you don't know what you are talking about, don't try to seem like you do. You'll just create more buffoons like yourself.

  • 07.18.2009 3:44 PM PDT
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Posted by: AdeptShooter
Posted by: l97airborne
Posted by: AdeptShooter
No.
The Auto Mag, and Silenced SMG are written onto the Halo ODST CD, not the Halo 3 Multiplayer CD (ODST Comes with 2 CDs). So only the CD that has the weapons written onto it will have it, and allow it to be used. Since the Multiplayer one is basiclly a normal Halo 3 CD it won't be adding anything new.

EDIT: As some pointed out, they can be added as Reskined Weapons, but they won't have any of the same properties (Auto Fire, Scope) as the ones in ODST Campign and Firefight!
Also it is very unlikley Bungie would add them in as reskins.


holy crap have you ever heard of online gameplay, its called a update.
all who said its impossible- its vary easy if your online if ofline impossible.


You think its that simple? Take some programming courses in C++, then ask if its that simple to just update. The Auto Mag and Scope Function, are full methods, inserting them through an update is much harder then inserting a simple reskin, or blocking a method (ie: No Missle Hornet). Also if you add methods, that would mess with the entire Halo CD. An Engine just runs the game, doesn't make it. Both games are mounted on the same Engine, but both games are still different in the programing.

Also: The Auto Mag, and Silenced SMG Are ODST Specific Weapons, and would mess with Halo Multiplayer, so adding them is still an irrelevent idea.

Listen: It sounds good on paper, but in game play it won't work.

You are so full of crap its leaking through your eyelids.

The weapon data isn't stored in some global database on the Halo 3 disc that each map extracts or something. Each weapon is unique to its own map file; If you modded any Halo games on the PC, you would know that. I can make the PR shoot warthogs in Guardian and still have it act normal on Blackout.

Because these are new maps they have their own 'database' of sorts that can be edited individually from other maps.

They can very easily add in new weapons; EASILY. Modders can do it with their half-assed tools and programs, and you seriously think Bungie can't?

  • 07.18.2009 3:45 PM PDT

Posted by: iroll
Posted by: AdeptShooter
Posted by: l97airborne
Posted by: AdeptShooter
No.
The Auto Mag, and Silenced SMG are written onto the Halo ODST CD, not the Halo 3 Multiplayer CD (ODST Comes with 2 CDs). So only the CD that has the weapons written onto it will have it, and allow it to be used. Since the Multiplayer one is basiclly a normal Halo 3 CD it won't be adding anything new.

EDIT: As some pointed out, they can be added as Reskined Weapons, but they won't have any of the same properties (Auto Fire, Scope) as the ones in ODST Campign and Firefight!
Also it is very unlikley Bungie would add them in as reskins.


holy crap have you ever heard of online gameplay, its called a update.
all who said its impossible- its vary easy if your online if ofline impossible.


You think its that simple? Take some programming courses in C++, then ask if its that simple to just update. The Auto Mag and Scope Function, are full methods, inserting them through an update is much harder then inserting a simple reskin, or blocking a method (ie: No Missle Hornet). Also if you add methods, that would mess with the entire Halo CD. An Engine just runs the game, doesn't make it. Both games are mounted on the same Engine, but both games are still different in the programing.

Also: The Auto Mag, and Silenced SMG Are ODST Specific Weapons, and would mess with Halo Multiplayer, so adding them is still an irrelevent idea.

Listen: It sounds good on paper, but in game play it won't work.

You are so full of crap its leaking through your eyelids.

The weapon data isn't stored in some global database on the Halo 3 disc that each map extracts or something. Each weapon is unique to its own map file; If you modded any Halo games on the PC, you would know that. I can make the PR shoot warthogs in Guardian and still have it act normal on Blackout.

Because these are new maps they have their own 'database' of sorts that can be edited individually from other maps.

They can very easily add in new weapons; EASILY. Modders can do it with their half-assed tools and programs, and you seriously think Bungie can't?
THIS.

thank you, iroll, for making sense.

  • 07.18.2009 3:48 PM PDT

Dues absconditus

Ok it seems Mibz, and me are the only ones who understand the concept here. Dvfah and Iroll, First Halo PC is on a PC not a Xbox; Second it is HALO not HALO 3. If you break everything down, if we keep deeming each others points irrelevent, then understand this.

-EDIT -
To address what you say about each map having its own selection of weapons, that is true, but the weapon is taken from a Single Cache and reproduceded through the Game.
SMG File->Map Weapon Files->Game.
So in order to create a Silent SMG, you'd need to rewrite that SMG File, or create a new one.
That is difficult, since its not there to begin with. A Mod uses previous programs that are already on the disc, it does not add new ones.
You sir are the one leaking -blam!- from your eyeslids.

It sounds good on paper, but in actual gameplay mechanics it won't work
Just like how you can make a PR that shoots Warthogs, it sounds good, but doesn't in turn workout in gameplay. If you want to use these weapons so bad, play firefight, or campign in ODST, or just MOD it, if your think that can solve everything.

Also don't deem that Bungie will do everything the fans want. Nor do they really care about the ones who beg. And esp. don't DEEM EVERYTHING A 50/50 Chance, please use some common sense, and please understand just because something may be possible doesn't mean it will happen!

And use common sense, using someone ESLE's TOOLS TO MOD, is different from making a program, mainly because the latter takes work.


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  • 07.18.2009 4:02 PM PDT

Do you see the tigers too?!?!?

Posted by: dvfah
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No, impossible.

/thread
why is it impossible?

unlikely, yes.

but impossible? not at all.

it IS possible. read the post above yours.

the 7-wood, the hornet...

it's VERY possible to change weapons.

and, since they've already altered altered the SMG and the Magnum and the Plasma Rifle (again, ODST uses the SAME engine as Halo 3), it's by all means possible.

hell, maybe this is why they wanted to release the new maps along with ODST?

but like i said before, it's very unlikely.

that is not the same concept. 7-wood is the same as the grav hammer but it has a different skin, they would basically be putting a new weapon into multiplayer its almost impossible to put an entirely new weapon into the multiplayer

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  • 07.18.2009 4:09 PM PDT

Posted by: AdeptShooter
Ok it seems Mibz, and me are the only ones who understand the concept here. Dvfah and Iroll, First Halo PC is on a PC not a Xbox; Second it is HALO not HALO 3. If you break everything down, if we keep deeming each others points irrelevent, then understand this.

It sounds good on paper, but in actual gameplay mechanics it won't work
Just like how you can make a PR that shoots Warthogs, it sounds good, but doesn't in turn workout in gameplay. If you want to use these weapons so bad, play firefight, or campign in ODST, or just MOD it, if your think that can solve everything.

Also don't deem that Bungie will do everything the fans want. Nor do they really care about the ones who beg. And esp. don't DEEM EVERYTHING A 50/50 Chance, please use some common sense, and please understand just because something may be possible doesn't mean it will happen!

And use common sense, using someone ESLE's TOOLS TO MOD, is different from making a program, mainly because the latter takes work.
yeah, Halo PC is on a PC.

but Halo 2 is on an Xbox... hmm... and i've played mods on Halo 2 before... and people have modded Halo 3... that's odd.

you obviously didn't read my previous posts, where i said:

A- it'd be great for FORGE. that would, in no way, alter multiplayer. it would be used simply for FUN.

B- i never said Bungie would do it. i said it's VERY UNLIKELY they would, but it's still a possibility.

and modding is just a form of programming for people that don't know programming. so if it's so easy to mod something like it, then it's possible to program it. there's no "work" involved in altering data.

and please, if you don't bother to read my entire post, don't bother replying to it.

  • 07.18.2009 4:10 PM PDT

Dues absconditus

Re-Read my post I edited a small portion, and I was replying to irolls, not yours.
Also Moving Data, and Creating Data are different things my friend.

[Edited on 07.18.2009 4:16 PM PDT]

  • 07.18.2009 4:15 PM PDT

They will not be adding the wepons. Proof look at the FAQ forum. It says that the new wepons will not be in multiplayer.

  • 07.18.2009 4:16 PM PDT

Do you see the tigers too?!?!?

Posted by: AdeptShooter
Ok it seems Mibz, and me are the only ones who understand the concept here. Dvfah and Iroll, First Halo PC is on a PC not a Xbox; Second it is HALO not HALO 3. If you break everything down, if we keep deeming each others points irrelevent, then understand this.

-EDIT -
To address what you say about each map having its own selection of weapons, that is true, but the weapon is taken from a Single Cache and reproduceded through the Game.
SMG File->Map Weapon Files->Game.
So in order to create a Silent SMG, you'd need to rewrite that SMG File, or create a new one.
That is difficult, since its not there to begin with. A Mod uses previous programs that are already on the disc, it does not add new ones.
You sir are the one leaking -blam!- from your eyeslids.

It sounds good on paper, but in actual gameplay mechanics it won't work
Just like how you can make a PR that shoots Warthogs, it sounds good, but doesn't in turn workout in gameplay. If you want to use these weapons so bad, play firefight, or campign in ODST, or just MOD it, if your think that can solve everything.

Also don't deem that Bungie will do everything the fans want. Nor do they really care about the ones who beg. And esp. don't DEEM EVERYTHING A 50/50 Chance, please use some common sense, and please understand just because something may be possible doesn't mean it will happen!

And use common sense, using someone ESLE's TOOLS TO MOD, is different from making a program, mainly because the latter takes work.

I understand this concept as well...and lol ownt

  • 07.18.2009 4:17 PM PDT

Posted by: AdeptShooter
Re-Read my post I edited a small portion, and I was replying to irolls, not yours.
Also Moving Data, and Creating Data are different things my friend.
that's odd, because before you edited your post you said "Dvfah and Iroll"

anyway, i read your edited post and where you mention rewriting the SMG file, well... they've already DONE that.

all they'd have to do is take the rewritten version and integrate it into Halo 3's Forge. (which is pretty much the EXACT same thing they did with the Grav Hammer and 7-Wood)

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  • 07.18.2009 4:19 PM PDT

How come I never get the sniper rifle?!
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My ROFLsniper goes POW!

I sure hope so. =]

  • 07.18.2009 4:20 PM PDT

Do you see the tigers too?!?!?

Posted by: dvfah
Posted by: AdeptShooter
Re-Read my post I edited a small portion, and I was replying to irolls, not yours.
Also Moving Data, and Creating Data are different things my friend.
that's odd, because before you edited your post you said "Dvfah and Iroll"

anyway, i read your edited post and where you mention rewriting the SMG file, well... they've already DONE that.

all they'd have to do is take the rewritten version and integrate it into Halo 3's Forge. (which is pretty much the EXACT same thing they did with the Grav Hammer and 7-Wood)

it is NOT the same thing the grav hammer and 7-wood are the same exact weapon they do the same exact thing the 7-wood just has a different skin, it is NOT a comnpletely new weapon

  • 07.18.2009 4:20 PM PDT

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