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Subject: A multiplayer map including a Huge Waterfall & Gondola

I always wanted this huge map where there was a gigantic waterfall in the background, such as the one in construct. Then there would be two cliffs on either side of the waterfall, and built high up into these cliffs would be two bases, where the players spawn. The bases would be fairly big and would have at least 3 levels.. however, the bases wouldn't be indoors, like 90% of the base you can see from the outside to prevent camping. The flag or objective marker would be in the middle level. The lower level would have at least two mancannons that would launch the player across vast expanse of water into the center. And In the center of this huge river would be another structure built from under the water, jutting out up to the same levels of the bases. Also, the top level of each base would have a couple of aircrafts, w.e. they would have in reach: could be hornets, banshees, hawks, or anything new that can fly. The top would also have a gondola like the one in delta halo, but this one would be fairly faster and would go back and forth on its own.. sort of like a moving environment. This gondola would also reach the middle structure.

Now, the middle structure should be neutral and could be forerunner made. Again, there should be three levels in this structure and there could be a couple of power weapons in each level. Such as a sniper rifle, spartan laser, missile pod w.e. The middle is where most of the action takes place and the platforms in each level should be big and there should be a grav lift at the bottom that takes you the top and some holes on the top platforms to take you to the bottom. This would greatly resemble the final level in halo 2 Great Journey. The battle with tartarus and the platform that you have to jump to in order to kill him. However the middle structrue in this map would be 5-10 times bigger. The middle structure would also have a few mancannons that go into each base. So this map would be symmetrical.

So.. Summarizing. and visualizing this map, it would look like this: waterfall in the background, gigantic river at the bottom: instant death. Opposite banks of river has cliffs holding two bases on each side. Each base, 3 levels. Middle one is flag. Top one has aircraft and moving environment a.k.a gondola. Bottom one has minimum two mancannons that shoot out into the middle. (the mancannons cant possibly shoot out to the other base because the width of the water fall and river is so large. So you need a middle structure that looks like the control room from halo 2, The great journey .. besides the resemblence, it should be 5-10 times bigger. Two gondolas from each base comes to the middle and goes back to each base so you can transfer from one to the next. or you can take a pair of seperate mancannons on the lower level of the middle structure into either of the bases, get it?

Idea came from a compilation of narrows (mancannons) construct (waterfall theme) delta halo(gondola), and the great journey control room (middle structure) so. Like it? Comment. (This is for Reach btw.. well.. its kinda a no brainer)

I made a pic at the request of some folks out there interested. (hope it works)(first time using photobucket) Gondola/Waterfall Map: http://i571.photobucket.com/albums/ss155/halfdemonanbu/Gondol a.png

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Its a rough draft. Made it in 30 mins so.. yea. Gives you sort of an idea. If you have any more comments, you can post it and if you like this map and have ideas that can improve it. you are welcome to add to the discussion. Thank you



[Edited on 07.18.2009 8:45 PM PDT]

  • 07.18.2009 6:25 PM PDT

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A gondola would be tough. I'd say it could also -blam!- up CTF.

  • 07.18.2009 6:34 PM PDT

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I like it. I would play on this map. You should draw it out and post it.

  • 07.18.2009 6:37 PM PDT

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  • 07.18.2009 6:37 PM PDT

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I think a Big Team Battle map like this would be awesome. So each base should have 2 banshees and 2 hornets on the top floor. There should be 2 gondolas, 2 mancannons leading to the center, and maybe even a teleporterper at each base.

  • 07.18.2009 6:42 PM PDT

A gondola would be tough. I'd say it could also -blam!- up CTF.

Well, thing is, I'm sure they can pull off a gondola, it won't be that difficult because it's just a moving environment like the rotator blades on last resort. It would be quite fast and there would be lots of cover on the gondola as well. not too much, and not a big roof, just some of the mohawk like structures from narrows and small areas where you are able to have decent coverage against aricraft. And CTF would not be so bad because there are a number of different ways to retrieve or steal the flag including, the gondola itself, the aircraft and not one but two mancannons (that are way faster than the gondola) at the bottom.

  • 07.18.2009 6:50 PM PDT

And yeah, i should draw it. Do you prefer hand sketch or paint? lol.

  • 07.18.2009 6:52 PM PDT

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Posted by: Half Demon ANBU
And yeah, i should draw it. Do you prefer hand sketch or paint? lol.


Whatever is immediately available to you. It just makes it easier to understand exactly what you mean. Just a birds-eye view of the layout would be good. Of course, only if you want to.

[Edited on 07.18.2009 7:12 PM PDT]

  • 07.18.2009 7:11 PM PDT
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What about a map in style of Venice?

  • 07.18.2009 7:14 PM PDT
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  • 07.18.2009 7:53 PM PDT

What about a map in style of Venice?

What do you mean by this? ellaborate.

  • 07.19.2009 2:39 PM PDT
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You are a map makeing God!

  • 07.19.2009 2:42 PM PDT

reminds me of halo 2

  • 07.19.2009 2:49 PM PDT

Posted by: lex255
What about a map in style of Venice?

  • 07.19.2009 2:50 PM PDT

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Posted by: Half Demon ANBU
And yeah, i should draw it. Do you prefer hand sketch or paint? lol.


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  • 07.19.2009 2:55 PM PDT

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Just tried to do this in Sketch-Up. Too complicated. I gave up.
Sweet map, bro.

  • 07.19.2009 3:07 PM PDT
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this is AMAZING!

  • 07.19.2009 3:08 PM PDT
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Wow. That is an awesome map idea. I hope Bungie sees this! They should definetely use this in Reach.

  • 07.19.2009 3:26 PM PDT

Thanks for the positive comments guys. I'll try making a 3-D version on sketchup when i gots the time. ^^

  • 07.19.2009 3:43 PM PDT

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Sounds similar to Halo 1's Boarding Action, with aircraft, a structure in the middle, and a gondola.

  • 07.19.2009 3:55 PM PDT

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Use google sketchup to draw the map.

  • 07.19.2009 4:27 PM PDT

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You have my support, thats one of the best level ideas Ive seen, nicely made demo to! I would however like to see a bit more neutral ground, maybe a small tower just next to the gondolas path, one on each side. There could even be a tunnel (under water!) from it to the center structure. Cause Id hate to see one team dominating the map by holding the main tower.

[Edited on 07.19.2009 5:01 PM PDT]

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That image really helped. However, if this were a map, there is a major flaw to its design.

You've restricted a player's movement to either the gondola, the Man Cannons, or the air vehicles. The vehicles can be destroyed, preventing one way to get to the other side (or any means of transportation to some other structure, for example). This cannot be fixed with fast respawning vehicles, as this is detrimental to gameplay.

Also, the Man Cannons are very risky to travel through, as players can be easily sniped. Even I sometimes hesitate to go through the Man Cannons on Valhalla. Considering player traffic, this area can allow a sniper a lot of kills. Snipers can effectively shut down this mode of transportation. This cannot be completely fixed with replacing Man Cannons with Teleporters, as these are very susceptible to camping. Again, this shuts down another mode of transportation.

Finally, the gondolas aren't totally reliable, as they won't always be at the base. It'd be very easy to shut down one team from going anywhere. The map can become very one-sided; it wouldn't be very fun for the players who don't control the middle.

Something that would really help the flow of the map is the addition of walkways and routes for infantry (and possibly vehicles like the Warthog or Wraith). The layout of the map is a "U", each base is at the end of each prong of the "U", and players cannot walk on the curve of the "U". Change the cliff to a circular canyon, with a waterfall on one side. Make it so that players can walk to either base on the ridge of this circle. You could have bridges over the waterfall and a key weapon/power up/vehicle there. Also, expand the middle structure a bit. Allow players to travel to the middle structure without going on Man Cannons, air vehicles or gondolas, aka walkways.

You've got a very good idea, and this has the potential to be a very good map, if a map like this were to be in Halo: Reach. I'd LOVE the aesthetics on the map. It'd be beautiful map to play on. Having gondolas in a map would be sweet. Good concept.

  • 07.19.2009 5:13 PM PDT

you know i would like it it there wasn't just those ways of transportation EX: make there be bridges between the middle of the structures so one could walk across the map to offer more ways of transportation as the guy above me said
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Allow players to travel to the middle structure without going on Man Cannons, air vehicles or gondolas, aka walkways.


  • 07.19.2009 6:02 PM PDT

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This sounds like a great map idea! There might be some problems with transportation though.

  • 07.19.2009 6:15 PM PDT

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