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Subject: Good point on the first page Dark Fire
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I Think that part about the suffering and reborn is when the flood infeast a humans and the main focus of Halo 2 is on Earth so Maybe the flood somehow survive and get to Earth also that frozen thing maybe the rest of Sidewinder... probably wrong but o well

AS SHALL I might mean that the Forerunners will return since they are supposed to have all this badass technology...

Once again probably wrong but o well

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Subject: Enkidu - Cortana Letters Revisted?
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Dude thats it exactly,cause if you think about it... The monitor aka 343 Guilty Spark comes back in HALO 2. Also if you think further into it. Is it possible that the Forerunners were once fighting the Covenant? The whole pelican thing I have yet to desipher, but it is possible that the Forerunners are the future human race, you know kind of a time rift. Also 343 Guilty Spark calls MC the Reclaimer. The reclaimer must have been a Spartan of a similar apperance or MC himself in the future. You know a big wheel.

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Posted by: Tartarus
i was re-reading eveything here and i had this idea...

some people think that the answer to the riddle's identity of the Enkidu terminal is 343GS. I kinda think it is with the picture part and all, but then other people pointed out that 343 GS was at the halo during the time period that the Enkidu events are taking place. what if, and i say what if, the "voice" of 343 GS was a forerunner or main forerunner AI, the last of its kind. Its conscousness centralized someplace where it usesmany of these "eye" like things we know as monitors to oversee installations remotely. This forerunner consciousness is locked there maybe as a punishement. Now it wants to be free again or wild again. Perhaps that this could explain the new monitor that still speaks in the voice of 343GS and makes it look like it could be in two places at the same time.

could it be possible? Please poke some holes in this.


Yeah seems likely but maybe the "Honeycomb of Teleporters" was through more than Halo maybe the entire galaxy

Doh! Meant to add this, that would explain how 343 got away to come back in Halo 2

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Speaking to the guy who thought it was odd that the original poster hasnt been back to discuss this... Isnt it possible thats hes the one who made this stuff up in the first place ?

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We dont really know if the monitor returns in Halo2 cos all weve go to go on is a clip at the end of halo and a lot of wild guesses, but it could be right. I think the problem is that people are basing their arguments on what they think they know and speculation like how the forerunners are human etc. but whats a bungie forum all about?

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Posted by: Tartarus
i was re-reading eveything here and i had this idea...

some people think that the answer to the riddle's identity of the Enkidu terminal is 343GS. I kinda think it is with the picture part and all, but then other people pointed out that 343 GS was at the halo during the time period that the Enkidu events are taking place. what if, and i say what if, the "voice" of 343 GS was a forerunner or main forerunner AI, the last of its kind. Its conscousness centralized someplace where it usesmany of these "eye" like things we know as monitors to oversee installations remotely. This forerunner consciousness is locked there maybe as a punishement. Now it wants to be free again or wild again. Perhaps that this could explain the new monitor that still speaks in the voice of 343GS and makes it look like it could be in two places at the same time.

could it be possible? Please poke some holes in this.


Yeah seems likely but maybe the "Honeycomb of Teleporters" was through more than Halo maybe the entire galaxy


He did have the teleportation thing to move around, but remeber it took a lot of power to use. when cortana and the cheif used it with the Miljinor suit, it was a one time thing because of the power drain. If 343 GS wasn't getting his power from the halo, then either 343 GS is using a masive power grid laid out in space by the forrunners or he has some kind of nuclear reactor inside of him that allows him to trasport distances in space. Still, we don't even know where this frigid place is. Could be right next door to the halo or it could be light years away.

! oh wait! remember at the end of the game? 343GS was simply sputtering through space. He wasn't entering slipsapce or was teleporting. Perhaps he can't go far without the halo to power him for teleportation. chew on that one.

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Ok I have just read all everything. Even the Old cortana letters. As i read the old cortana letters i seen that most of things in those are either in the game or in the books. So I think that this is all part oh what is going to be in Halo 2. To me it sounds like Enkidu is an AI as you have read in the books the AI chose their own names. Most of them named themselves after history. Now the termenals sound to me like a battle report. It is just my guess but to me it sounds like MC and cortana will find trace back to this AI in Halo 2. Also in the books after cortana is taken out of Halo's network she has to fight to keep control something is almost trying to take over. What if this Enkidu is not strong enough to keep control and the Forerunner technology takes over. Plus i agree that this building is forerunner. I think bungie is just giving us some info of what we will be doing in Halo 2. I could be wrong this is just my best uneducated guess. LOL

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A nuclear reactor wouldn't provide enough power to teleport because thats what the Mjolnir armour has on the back. But perhaps halo provides its own power and the blue laser things on halo (the leVEL) ARE TO GET RID OF EXCESS POWER?

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slayerzs13, i know what you are saying, but we are not trying to figure out how 343gs moved around the halo. we are trying to find out how he could be at the enkidu events and at the halo events almost at the same time. If he uses the power from the halo to transport, then how could he transport to the location of the Lebanon without the power of the Halo?

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There would be lots of ships in the halo system as the covenant come to investigate, in first strike there are any way, as the Covenant revere forerunners and their technology they would probably obey 343GS and then it would be pretty simple for him to hijack control of the ship or tap into its reactor, jus a theory...

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I think it first shows a human marine. I think him and some marines just found a planet maybe a ring and are exploring it. And when they entered the structure they met the flood. And the last entrie "Plese allow me to introduce myself" could be him after the flood took him over. Like what happened to Keyes in the book "the flood".

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Posted by: slayerzs13
A nuclear reactor wouldn't provide enough power to teleport because thats what the Mjolnir armour has on the back. But perhaps halo provides its own power and the blue laser things on halo (the leVEL) ARE TO GET RID OF EXCESS POWER?


That's a fusion reactor not using nuclear power. If I remember from the book, it's been a while, it was a non-nuclear fusion, ie in the way of hydrogen fusion. But, none the less it is a lot of power.

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either way u have the problem of where the monitor gets the power from, the mjolnir's power pack is attached to it but the monitors just some floating ball.
However in fall of reach it mentions about 'broacast power' maybe the monitor can tap into the power of the other 'halos' going back to somebody elses point 'a powergrid in space' or something like that.

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Ok, Here is a summary from what I have gleened from all the pages and reading
this entire thread so far. And here is what I have come up with, Feel free to
disagreed or point things out please.

1. Enkidu is not 343 Guilty spark. There have been numerous ppl that have alrdy
given enough evidence of that before in this thread.(For the lazy out there basically
in the Maw level of Halo 343 GS has never seen human history or ship layout before)

2. Enkidu is not Cortana. The type of AI and the way it writes are totally
different for starters. Someone meationed earlier that Cortana was built
to be a hacking type of AI and therefore should have no problem with the "door"
outside of the instalation. I agree, Enkidu is most likely a ship to ship combat AI that
each UNSC ship has.

3. Whoever JD in (Shore left) is he is most likely a combat type person. " It is unfortunate that you did not get to the hangar bay in time. We could not have anticipated Covenant
survivors, let alone a boarding action. I am pleased to learn that you survived.
We will need every skilled hand we can get in the days ahead. "--(Taken from Shore left.)


4. Also, nto to know marathon fans, the game sounds great, but I seriously doubt that it ties in to this particular matter.... Unless of course it is a fanfic....


Now on to speculation....

Did anyone else notice that "please allow me to intorduce myself" is all in lowercase
where all the other are in Title case? Possibly written by a different author ?

Why is the UT date on the main screen 10 days after the General quarters was issued?
It would apear from the main screen that someone is tapping remotely into the files
that hold these conversations 10 days after the fact.

I think someone alrdy metioned this but the ports used in " Packing and Unpacking" and
"please allow me to intorduce myself" differ by one port at the very end.

Also why are the ports listed as "Hangar Terminal Access D <Port 74.7.100.130>"
for messages that are obviously from the planets surface? Are these the reciving ports?
The ports the files are being remotely retrieved from ?


I have my own conclutions....
But I would rather see where people take this for now.... I'll post them later.

[Edited on 4/30/2004 3:46:45 PM]

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Leonidas

n : king of Sparta and hero of the battle of Thermopylae where is was killed by the Persians (d. 480 BC) [syn: Leonidas]


master chief

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One more thing before I go....
Someone metioned the "fanfic" part of the source being a red hearing...
Possibly the whole "let me introduce myself" is perhaps just a red herring as well...

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slayerzs13, are you reading all the post before you post. i mentioned the power grid already. i ddin't realize though that this was mentioned in the book. what page was that. anyways maybe 343GS has some kind of power source inside of him which is very powerful but very small. In Halo you see him interact with things by arcing electricity from his body.

Still what do you think? The root of this debate is wether or not the identity of the "let me introduce myself" riddle 343 GS or not, and if it is, how does he access the Enkidu terminal on the Lebanon.

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The broadcast power is mentioned in association with a marine exoskeleton but if the forerunners were technologically advanced it would only be right o assume that they probably had a similiar if not more efficient type of broadcast power

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does anyone know what this spot on a "this planet" is? it was said a few times in the letter and seems to be inportant? got any ideas?

also don't forget 343 GS made it sound like there are other halos...(and other 343 GS's)

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Something is amiss here. Halo was a fortress world, designed specifically for study and containment of the flood. So it doesn't seem too likely were going to find them on Frigid. And remember the Mointor proclaimed himself as the watcher of Intalliation 04, nothing else. Odds are that it's not him either, especially since this is before Reach and before he was even brought into the story. (That is, of course, if he's been munipulating events from the beginning, and it's his doing that the humans "randomly" stumble on Halo. That'd be a cool plot twist.) I reckon it's probably just the AI aboard the Lebanon (Ha! Me and my rational explanations for everything. Although, Cortana talked the same way in her letters, so it's definetly not out of the question that this is just another AI, or maybe rampant AI is a better way to say it. Or maybe an entirely new character we'll get to meet in Halo 2. Or even a nice Marathon tie in.) One thing puzzles me, tough. It seems the one soldier it's talking to is of vast importance (We'll need every skilled hand we can get in the days ahead). If I didn't know better, I'd say it was a Spartan. But that's just crazy talk. So I'm going to put my money on Ackerson's S-III program. (We have no idea exactly what it is, but based on the information from First Strike, it's not out of the question that he created a new strain of super soldier. That very well be the answer...Maybe.)

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Good point on the flood. Perhaps a ship crashed on Frigid and they were dormant or perhaps frigid is the flood 'homeworld' and thats where theforerunner collected 'samples' from but stupidly left some behind. Honestly these superior races....

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Ha! Im so glad people are building on my Flood theory. But perhaps the Forerunner kept the Flood on Frigid to study in case the Flood on Halo 04 got destroyed.

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The port numbers are pi, and e. Get a graphing calculator (TI-86 Plus) and put in pi and e
It is rounded off of course.

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Dictated from whoknew: Durandal needs to escape the closing of the universe, and he is 200 years int eh futrure. So he uses teh Forerunner tech to pop himself back to a Forerunner shack on Frigid. Now when Enkidu links up, Durandal is going to have some fun. Either that or just replace Durandal with 343.....huh...are you still typing what i'm saying....stop it....-blam!- you....*punches me*

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Posted by: Fenris_Akashi
Ok, Here is a summary from what I have gleened from all the pages and reading
this entire thread so far. And here is what I have come up with, Feel free to
disagreed or point things out please.


1. Enkidu is not 343 Guilty spark. There have been numerous ppl that have alrdy
given enough evidence of that before in this thread.(For the lazy out there basically
in the Maw level of Halo 343 GS has never seen human history or ship layout before)


I think that this bit of evidence for the riddle writer not being 343 GS is weaker than the fact that the riddle IS in the shape of 343GS AND gets sarcasticly bookmarked as "do i have to draw you a picture" AND that the info contained in the riddle seems to fit exactly with what we know about 343GS. The riddle reads, "I transgressed in sacred orchards to serve the folly of a hero. this is exactly how 343GS would have seen the events when the chief refused to set off the halo. It continues, I set off an outburst that echoed through the ages. That outburst echoes still. We already know that 343 has set the ring off before. Let me quote the game to prove this (343GS speaking to the cheif in two betrayal), Last time, you asked me, if it was my choice, would I do it? Having considerable time to ponder your query, my answer has not changed. Last time? the ring has been fired (or created an outburst) before and whatever it did we still don't know. It is a mystery that contiues the ECHO.

So how do I explain your evidence? Perhaps the Lebanon does not hold info on human history. We have no idea what type of ship it is. Perhaps it was on a secret mission and its data banks have been totally wiped. We can't say why, if 343GS was on or accessed the Lebanon, he didn't already know about lost human history. Perhaps the ship has yet to crash land on the planet and the computers will be destoyed. We can't just say at this point.

2. Enkidu is not Cortana. The type of AI and the way it writes are totally
different for starters. Someone meationed earlier that Cortana was built
to be a hacking type of AI and therefore should have no problem with the "door"
outside of the instalation. I agree, Enkidu is most likely a ship to ship combat AI that
each UNSC ship has.


You used something that i pointed out as evidence and I'm glad that you did. Enkidu is a normal AI and Cortana is a smart AI thats really good at cracking codes. Besides if Enkidu was Cortanan, why would she be called Enkidu now?

3. Whoever JD in (Shore left) is he is most likely a combat type person. " It is unfortunate that you did not get to the hangar bay in time. We could not have anticipated Covenant
survivors, let alone a boarding action. I am pleased to learn that you survived.
We will need every skilled hand we can get in the days ahead. "--(Taken from Shore left.)


What makes you think that its a "combat person". there is nothing that points to that. A combat person wouldn't be ressponsible for gathering survival supplies but instead, guns and ammunition. It could be a mechanic or a doctor or civilian, or anyone else too. If anyone is thinking JD is a spartan, I don't think that Enkidu would have been surprised that a Spartan survived a bunch of covie straglers that survived their ship being defeated. A Spartan probably would have made it to the Pelicans.

4. Also, nto to know marathon fans, the game sounds great, but I seriously doubt that it ties in to this particular matter.... Unless of course it is a fanfic....

you are so right. Bungie has stated in the past that the Marathon and Halo stories DO NOT fit together in any way. They take places in seperate universes. they do share commonalities but thats simply because they are made by the same company.


Now on to speculation....

Did anyone else notice that "please allow me to intorduce myself" is all in lowercase
where all the other are in Title case? Possibly written by a different author ?


you are talking simply about the yellow links of the main Enkidu page and how all the other links are in title case and the riddle link is all in lowercase? thats is strange and perhaps it is just another element to show it is another voice making the post to the terminal.

Why is the UT date on the main screen 10 days after the General quarters was issued?
It would apear from the main screen that someone is tapping remotely into the files
that hold these conversations 10 days after the fact.


the messages' intended recipient is the "JD" first JD comes out of cryo-stasis on the Lebanon and reads the Enkidu post from there. As events unfold you end up in the hanger bay where JD recieves more Enkidu transmittions from the planet's surface. Please remeber, as we are getting the terminals messages, we are seeing them out of chronological order. there are holes inbetween the parts of the story. Whoever is reading them now could even be someone that comes along later and finds JD's mail so to speak.

I think someone alrdy metioned this but the ports used in " Packing and Unpacking" and
"please allow me to intorduce myself" differ by one port at the very end.


what are yo talking about?

Also why are the ports listed as "Hangar Terminal Access D <Port 74.7.100.130>"
for messages that are obviously from the planets surface? Are these the reciving ports?
The ports the files are being remotely retrieved from ?


I already answered this for you.


I have my own conclutions....
But I would rather see where people take this for now.... I'll post them later.


So what are your other conclusions?

[Edited on 4/30/2004 4:53:33 PM]

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