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Subject: Enkidu - Cortana Letters Revisted?
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Oh and i have a real problem with the covies using copys of Human A.I.. If you remember the grunts (lowest of the covie army) would rather die than pick up a human weapon let alone a freakin AI. Their is no way that the covies would use the human technology.

That is a bit of a pickle. But I can't see any other way that it's possible that the Covenant could get an AI, where it was so obviously blatantly copied from another source, and where the core code of it was easily recognized as being practically the same as a human AI's code.

The Covenant obviously know something good when they see it, though. As we're told, they aborb the strong points of other civilizations they encounter. AIs are obviously the human's strong point, thus the Covenant would benefit by using them. Although it's slightly contradictory to how the Covenant are, it fits them I think.

Not trying to say you're wrong or that I'm right. It's just that I can't think of any other way the Covenant could have come about 'acquiring' AI.



[Edited on 5/2/2004 1:23:44 PM]

  • 05.02.2004 1:21 PM PDT

i need some sleep.....

i hate bees...

no rest for the weary...

wait "i was an epic before demons rode the sky" people say that thats from oni. what game came out before oni? one of my friends was saying something about bungie going back and putting something in halo2 from past games...

  • 05.02.2004 1:24 PM PDT

i need some sleep.....

i hate bees...

no rest for the weary...

I think enkidu is another AI. and he/she is sending a message to Cortana. It sounds like they found another forerunner structure on a dwarf star...

  • 05.02.2004 1:31 PM PDT
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Remember though that the AI had completely covenant views - it didn't reflect that of a human. Mabe the covenant make very few AIs, but when they do, they are coppied repeatedly? Just a thought. As for obtaining the location of earth, I like the idea that they dissect E, I think it's the best one yet. :-)

  • 05.02.2004 1:33 PM PDT
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with the AI maybe they got the tech from forrunner AI?

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It is from Cortana. I believe that after the Halo Data she got some Cross refrencing indexes crossed and her language subroutine is fragmentted. this is just my opinion but it is deffinetly from cortana. Sparky(343 GS) uses a binary in trusion and cortana uses a different one. If Sparky is back in Halo 2 then God help us because he cant be shot with a gun or rkt launcher and nades dont work. I wonder if i could put a Havoc Thermo nuclear mine on him and push the little red button.

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  • 05.02.2004 1:48 PM PDT
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Posted by: Hoju
Oh and i have a real problem with the covies using copys of Human A.I.. If you remember the grunts (lowest of the covie army) would rather die than pick up a human weapon let alone a freakin AI. Their is no way that the covies would use the human technology.

That is a bit of a pickle. But I can't see any other way that it's possible that the Covenant could get an AI, where it was so obviously blatantly copied from another source, and where the core code of it was easily recognized as being practically the same as a human AI's code.

The Covenant obviously know something good when they see it, though. As we're told, they aborb the strong points of other civilizations they encounter. AIs are obviously the human's strong point, thus the Covenant would benefit by using them. Although it's slightly contradictory to how the Covenant are, it fits them I think.

Not trying to say you're wrong or that I'm right. It's just that I can't think of any other way the Covenant could have come about 'acquiring' AI.




No they wouldn't use human technology. The forerunner obviously have AI's (343gs). I'm sure they stole the tech from them, not humans.

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Ok so how do we know for sure that this A.I. is covenant and not forerunner. I know someone said that it was and they cant say anymore but are they just trying to throw us off. I dont know i am not saying that he is wrong because it is only my guess but it does not make any sense to me that this is covenant.

  • 05.02.2004 2:16 PM PDT
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Umm...whats up people. Im new on this site. What are you people talking about im kinda lost. I have a question deos anybody know when halo2 is comeing out.


  • 05.02.2004 2:29 PM PDT
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ForsakenSamurai, we are talkin about this link http://enkidu.bungie.org/. Read all 18 pages and you might get the idea of it all. Halo 2 is coming out this fall sometime.

[Edited on 5/2/2004 2:33:21 PM]

  • 05.02.2004 2:32 PM PDT
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Halofreak said: It is from Cortana. I believe that after the Halo Data she got some Cross refrencing indexes crossed and her language subroutine is fragmentted. this is just my opinion but it is deffinetly from cortana. Sparky(343 GS) uses a binary in trusion and cortana uses a different one. If Sparky is back in Halo 2 then God help us because he cant be shot with a gun or rkt launcher and nades dont work. I wonder if i could put a Havoc Thermo nuclear mine on him and push the little red button.

You realize that these a dated before the attack on Reach, right???

  • 05.02.2004 2:35 PM PDT
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Posted by: J_A_C_K_A_S_S
Ok so how do we know for sure that this A.I. is covenant and not forerunner. I know someone said that it was and they cant say anymore but are they just trying to throw us off. I dont know i am not saying that he is wrong because it is only my guess but it does not make any sense to me that this is covenant.



It's not a covenent AI. It's a human AI, that's why he was on the UNSC Lebanon. I think the person he is talking to is ONI.

  • 05.02.2004 2:36 PM PDT
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Oh hey I dont know if this has already been said or not i cant remember. ON the terminal with the poem (allow me to intro myself) at the end it is signed a friend(?) of a friend. So it is not saying this is from a real friend of a friend but that it is kinda, in a way it is a friend to JD's Friend aka the old Enkidu. So would this not be some proof that Enkidu has been taken over by whatever is sending these letters.

  • 05.02.2004 2:38 PM PDT
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What if the person the AI is talking to is one of the other Spartans that couldn't get back to reach on time for the MC mission to steal a covie ship?? I think that there were three of them that wasn't in the reach battle.

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Posted by: flyboy1325
What if the person the AI is talking to is one of the other Spartans that couldn't get back to reach on time for the MC mission to steal a covie ship?? I think that there were three of them that wasn't in the reach battle.



No, I wish people would pay attention. In the book it said those 3 spartans were on battle fields to far to easily be recalled. Frigid is near Reach, it said that in one of these terminals. Therefore no, the 3 missing spartans have nothing to do with this.

  • 05.02.2004 2:41 PM PDT
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No, It is a reference to the old Cortana letters.

added: sry this is to jackass's last post

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  • 05.02.2004 2:41 PM PDT
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Sorry allow me to clear up what i meant. I was talking about what CuriousJoe had said. he said Its all supposed to be from the covenent AI, the one similar to cortana. dont ask how i know, but i do. I will probly get kicked from the forum for telling you people, but its worth it. and then i read some of the posts and they sounded to me like everyone was beginning to say that this had to be a covenant AI that has taken over Enkidu. I am saying how do we know that for sure. Because to me it sounds like it is forerunner or something else that has not had anything to do with the other 2 partys yet.

  • 05.02.2004 2:44 PM PDT
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OK but why are they referencing to cortana when we are saying she is no where around. We are all saying that this has nothing to do with cortana or MC yet. So could it just be a way for bungie to try to throw us off.

And i agree with your statement that JD is ONI it is the only thing that make sense.

  • 05.02.2004 2:48 PM PDT
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I think it was Bungie's way to let us know this is legit and not fanfic. Or perhaps, an AI similar. We have yet to see what wrote that poem, but Endiku is a human AI.

  • 05.02.2004 2:53 PM PDT
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o thats just because i let the grunt take a leek

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Oh and i went back to read the cortana letters and i found some interesting things.

1. "Marathon fans will no doubt identify the Durandal references "closure" and "a friend of a friend". Why would someone at Bungie send the Story page such a cryptic message?"

2. "Would you (Matt) say that the email had Durandal overtones? Matt replied:
It certainly has some qualities reminiscent of Durandal, doesn't it? But that doesn't necessarily mean anything. "

OK i do agree that Endiku is a human AI or was until whatever has happened to him. And it does seem that bungie is using this as a way to show it is not fanfic. but what about the ? to me it seems possible that bungie could be using it to say more than just we did this.

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I think we're all starting to overthink all this, and are making these explanations too complex for their own good. I think we ought to take a step back for a minute, because we're all missiong the forest for the tress.

Alright, we all know that Enkidu is an AI. Just like that one AI from the FoR, he choose a name of a famous historical figure and believes he is that person. Nothing special. That's normal. Certainly, that explains why he keeps making all these mythological refernces to The Epic of Gilgamesh. (Generally, you need an understanding of the myth to know what he's saying, but then trying to take other aspects of the story and use it describe Halo is futile. Halo will never fit into a template like that. There do tend to be similarities from time to time in passing with what seems everything, but the vast majority of them are quite a strech. Except of course Starhammer, which turned out to be a really good template, not a strech at all.)

We know JD is now on the Lebanon and it's losing power. We also know Enkidu is of Frigid and found a forerunner srtucture. The humans broke in, using Enkidu to open the doors, most likely he found his way into the central computer of the structure. My guess is that he found a bunch of very important data, just like Cortana did in Halo's control center. It certainly slowed down Cortana and aparently shortened her life a lot. What would it do to adumb AI like Enkidu? Probably drive him mad right then and there. Maybe slowly change his data signatures so that the Lebanon terminals can't even distinguish him. Maybe make him so that rather than simply recounding the life of Enkidu, he feels real emotion about it; bitterness about how it turned out for his historical figure, for example.

That's the most logical and simplist answer. I thought I'd bring it up again, because everyone seems to have disregarded it for much more complex and unlikely explanations.

So instead of trying to use this to patch together the furure of Halo, we need to use this to solve the present. That is, what's happening to Enkidu now, not what's going to happen or what may or may not have happened.

Pleased to meet you
Hope you guess my name
But what’s puzzling you
Is the nature of my game


It's a distraction to keep us from figuring out the important information in the letters. Just wish I knew what it was.

  • 05.02.2004 3:25 PM PDT
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A decicated fan could have written that as well...

Enkidu is the third AI to sign off with "A friend(?) of a friend" - the first was Durandal in one of the Marathon terminals - the second was Cortana in one of her letters to Hamish - and know we have Enkidu.

  • 05.02.2004 3:25 PM PDT
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Zk315 - couldn't have put it better myself...

  • 05.02.2004 3:33 PM PDT
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Ok that sounds good to me. I was just thinking to much into all of this. Zk315 is right.

  • 05.02.2004 3:37 PM PDT