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What about this...................... If 343GS is responsible for the Forerunner being dead it would make alot of sense. His name "Guilty Spark" means to kill ones family or friend or something like that. Then if thats true, and in halo he stopped at nothing to go by his protocol, then what if the Forerunners made him so if something happened with the flood he would set off the ring in order for the flood not to flourish. Seeing how I see how the Forerunners are so WISE and SMART wouldnt they think of something like that to stop the flood????? even if it meant their demise?????? interesting............

  • 05.03.2004 10:59 AM PDT
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Another interesting thing about Caina... the writer of the letter says "It's a cold day here in Hell..." The ninth circle of hell (the one that Caina is a part of) is supposed to be a frozen river.

This convinces me that Caina is in reference to that.

  • 05.03.2004 11:02 AM PDT
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I dont know if someone brought this up already and I dont want to go back through everything that I have read so I am just going to put this up

In "Please Let Me Introduce Myself" the HTML sourc it has "embedded allegory" in the contents.
I looked up the definition for allegory and found some intersting things.

allegory

\Al"le*go*ry\, n.; pl. Allegories. [L. allegoria, Gr. ?, description of one thing under the image of another; ? other + ? to speak in the assembly, harangue, ? place of assembly, fr. ? to assemble: cf. F. all['e]gorie.] 1. A figurative sentence or discourse, in which the principal subject is described by another subject resembling it in its properties and circumstances. The real subject is thus kept out of view, and we are left to collect the intentions of the writer or speaker by the resemblance of the secondary to the primary subject.

2. Anything which represents by suggestive resemblance; an emblem.

3. (Paint. & Sculpt.) A figure representation which has a meaning beyond notion directly conveyed by the object painted or sculptured.

Syn: Metaphor; fable.

  • 05.03.2004 11:14 AM PDT
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Shady,

you are getting way off of subject and only creating more guess work than anything else. Please try to determine who the "new" enkidu is and if it is a friend. Don't try and explain what this all has to to with the halo story. you can only make meaningless speculation about things like that at this point in time.

X Isle,

Yeah I remember that in reading Dante's inferno. Instead of Hell being fire, it was ice and cold. Totally opposite of what we think hell would look like. I think that you are definately on to a positive connection. this place Frigid is not going to be a friendly place for JD.

There is also the saying, "When hell freezes over" which is used to describe something that will never happen or is unlikely to happen. Well if this frigid is hell, somethng that we never thought actually occuring may be happening there.

  • 05.03.2004 11:15 AM PDT
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Shady,

Yes, the whole Epic of Gilgamesh in connection to the occurences around and on Frigid are an allegory. There are more storis than the epic of gilgamesh being talked about as an alleory in relation the the Enkidu terminal as well. we have already discussed the story of Antrathasis and now the Caina connection. We could even say that the Marathon story is an allegory to this halo story as well.

  • 05.03.2004 11:20 AM PDT
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The Master Chief emerged from his code. After seeing his dynamically lit realtime shadow, he went back for 9 more months of development.


Behold the power of the Originals, the Gods Axeone-Neurone.

Halo the game takes place around 9/15/2552 tp 9/22/2552.

This new terminal takes place as the PoA is on its way to Halo.

  • 05.03.2004 11:21 AM PDT
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so Hewig,

curently the latest terminal's date is 9-7-2552. It has even been updated to this date on the main terminal too. Has reach fallen at this point in time? what is exactly happening in other places with other people?

  • 05.03.2004 11:28 AM PDT
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I have one question. What the hell is going on? I understand when they are from ekindu but then when its anonomys I have no clue what happened.

  • 05.03.2004 11:32 AM PDT
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Sweet Obliv, go back two or three pages and read my super long post. I describe by chronological order how Enkidu transforms.

  • 05.03.2004 11:37 AM PDT
Subject: Enkidu - Cortana Letters Revisted?
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I am not sure if any of this has been mentioned, but Im gonna say what my friend and I analyzed from reading these letters.

First off I do not think this is necessarily Cortana. I think it is another kind of AI on a different Spartan. I think this is the Spartan that has made "friends" with the elites on the grunt world. Remember, the grunts homeworld is made of methane gas that is why they have mask. I know the forerunner have something at the footsteps of the grunt world, I think this is where they are. The forerunners are human that is why oxygen levels are higher in the structure.

I cant wait to go to the grunt world!

I also think that this particular AI has left the Spartan and gone into the computer system. It said it met interesting people (the engineers). I also think that the AI's are going to start to go crazy from being in the instilations for so long. Cortana and the other smart AI's are going to go crazy and f up everything.

This could be an AI on a Hell Jumper, that would explain why it doesnt look like Cortanas writing. It looks like 343 and Marathon because it is probably an advanced Mach 5, a Hell Jumper.

I also am not sure if everyone is totaly sure that the forerunners were human. I found some pretty good proof, Im not sure if it is from one of the level transcripts or not but an AI said something along the lines of "I have learned so much about your civilizations lost time" Something like that but im not sure if it was from the game or the old cortana letters.

Im not sure if everyone knows this or not but 343GS got off the instilation, if you wait until the end of the credits after beating the game you will see it. So even though protecting instalation 04 was his only job, he might move on.

[Edited on 5/3/2004 11:58:44 AM]

  • 05.03.2004 11:38 AM PDT
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Posted by: shady88
What about this...................... If 343GS is responsible for the Forerunner being dead it would make alot of sense. His name "Guilty Spark" means to kill ones family or friend or something like that. Then if thats true, and in halo he stopped at nothing to go by his protocol, then what if the Forerunners made him so if something happened with the flood he would set off the ring in order for the flood not to flourish. Seeing how I see how the Forerunners are so WISE and SMART wouldnt they think of something like that to stop the flood????? even if it meant their demise?????? interesting............

He was the protector of Halo which housed the flood, or in other words his family. So by killing and eliminating them when they were released, he would be the 'guilty spark'.

  • 05.03.2004 11:39 AM PDT
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Sorry I get what you mean but one thing I dont know about what you talk about a spartan that has made friends with the elites on the grunt world????
can you pleaze explain?

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Posted by: shady88
Sorry I get what you mean but one thing I dont know about what you talk about a spartan that has made friends with the elites on the grunt world????
can you pleaze explain?


It's sadistic irony, before it mentioned a ship of Convenant that this UNSC ship destroyed and now a new one has arrived. Meanwhile, the entire ship's population abandoned ship and headed for this planet for protection but the Convenant are now there as well. And in the interminance, some people are speculating that JD may be a Spartan, or that there were other Spartan's on the ship (some think they're SIII's). But this is entirely speculation and doesn't have any proof that proves or otherwise completely disproves it's valor and correctness.

  • 05.03.2004 11:54 AM PDT
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one more thing. What does JD stand for or should i say who is it.

  • 05.03.2004 11:56 AM PDT
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Sweet Oblivion- JD stands for John Doe since we don't know who this character is we decided to give him an ironic name (John Doe is used for someone who normally isn't known in America, a lot like Mr. Smith in Britian)

  • 05.03.2004 11:59 AM PDT
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JaneDoe/JohnDoe we dont know who or what he is, yet...... and when I mean by what I mean Spartan or human.

  • 05.03.2004 11:59 AM PDT
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Hey i found this in the Cortana Leters. It is from the third letter:
I have begun to sense rumblings of a worse fate yet to come. I can recall
a sun - black, but shining - and the creatures that inched along its fiery
tracks. It is an increasingly unpleasant memory.


Didn't JD and the Lebanon just sling shot around the sun of Frigid? Enkidu is also talking a lot about the sun shinning. i remember in the thread, someone mentioned that this sun maybe a dwarf sun or Black sun. sorry i can't find the post. If it is, perhaps the shining is actually radiation and not light. Do dwarf suns still put off light? Maybe the light is coming from another sun near frigid that is differentthan the one JD and the Lebanon slig shot around. It does say in the enkidu terminal entryPacking and Unpacking that:
Captain Mathers is going to perform a slingshot around the primary sun.
So I guess there is more than one sun.

Its hard to say what is going on but it really sounds like something horrible is about to happen.

One more thing, if it is Cortana speaking in the third cortana letter as i quoted above, how does she have knowledge of what is about to occur on Frigid. It sounds like she was there.

  • 05.03.2004 12:01 PM PDT
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I havent read the first book but it has to say something about Cortana, like how long she has been on reach or if she just got on there or something. It should say something about her copying herself if she did. this is getting really confusing. we need a other trans! we go through all of our theories and see if they connect with the next trans and all we get is more confusion! If bungie is doing this they are really good!

  • 05.03.2004 12:08 PM PDT
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The Master Chief emerged from his code. After seeing his dynamically lit realtime shadow, he went back for 9 more months of development.


Behold the power of the Originals, the Gods Axeone-Neurone.

What is going on in the Halo universe?

8/30/2552 -- Attack on Reach Starts
9/7/2552 -- Kelly, Fred, Dr. Halsey, and other Spartans make their way deep into the ONI Castle on reach. Recovering the crystal and holding off from the covenant until the MC arives on the 23.

  • 05.03.2004 12:12 PM PDT
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Here is another Cortana Letter that i can reference to the word eternity. It comes from the fourth letter and is actually signed by Cortana. Here she speaks about the covenant:
In the end, they will all be little more than nuisances. I am so close – you cannot imagine what it is truly like to hold eternity in your grasp! I wonder to what gods my enemies will direct their pleas. Perhaps I can convert them.Mania? I promise you this: it will be more than a cart and plow that I drive over the bones of the dead.

By sharp and flame,
Cortana


In the most recent Enkidu terminal How I Spent Your Summer Vacation the message reads:
Not that summer is terribly long down here. It's hard to count days when the sun never sets, and months don't apply without moons, do they? I could give you a count of the seconds, but why? It's always sunlight under the rosy sky. It makes me believe in eternity.

What is it with this being's obsession with eternity? Is it cortana gone rampant?



[Edited on 5/3/2004 12:21:31 PM]

  • 05.03.2004 12:15 PM PDT
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Thanks Hedwig. I remember now. the Cheif is also about to make it to the halo on the PoA too.

What day though was it when the cheif returned to Reach and rescued the Dr. and Spartans from the caves where they found the crystal?

  • 05.03.2004 12:19 PM PDT
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Hey tartarus, In halo years when do you think the cortana letters were made? Because they kinda sound to me like it is later than 2552. A time when the war is almost over. Right now in 2552 they are right in the middle of it.

  • 05.03.2004 12:26 PM PDT
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Ok so i just noticed that the source code for "how i spent your summer" says "not working well is it." what does that mean?

  • 05.03.2004 12:35 PM PDT
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you know Jackass, the more i think about what you said, the more i think it is true. Even though the cortana letters originated before this enkidu terminal, i think that they chronologicly come after. It makes a whole hell of a lot more sense that way. WOW! this is huge!

  • 05.03.2004 12:41 PM PDT
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and the plot gets thicker.................

  • 05.03.2004 12:46 PM PDT