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JD - Well, isn't the MC's first name John? We never learn his first name, but cortana was able to discover it, so I bet Enkidu could have if he so chose to.

I have to disagree with the Power of 343GS, however. While he seems to be emensly strong, it appears to be within the confines of his programming. I mean, all the PoA stuff was just to reclaim the construct from Contana. I doubt he has any vested interest in humanity, other than liking to study the "wealth of knowlede" that MC brings him.

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Posted by: Abolitionofman
Some info has surfaced from a reader:

[quote]Posted by: I was reading Halo: First Strike for like the third time last night and stumbled upon a very important discovery. You know how Dr. Halsey basically steals Kelly and goes on some weird secret mission? No one knows where she went, even Cortana. Well I think I have figured it out. This info is on pages 129-130 in First Strike. If you flip to page 129 you will read that Dr. Hasley is looking through Colonel Ackerson's emails. She finds the one called King Under the Mountain: S III. She finds all sorts of stuff he was stealing form her. She then sees he had an email called CPOMZ. There were some coordinates she never heard of and wanted to check it out. So she downloaded them to her data pad which she took with her throughout the rest of the book. My theory is that she looked at those coordinates and somehow figured oput where and what they were for. So now shes taking Kelly-087 to this polace to soem secret thing to hopefully find some new thing help turn the tide in the war or there is something secret there and Dr. Halsey wants Kelly to go with her to protect her and stuff. Tell me what you guys think about it.
Calicohalo-founder of The Covie Killers .



Unfortunately, you missed another key point. When Cortana first completely inflitrates the ONI system, she inserts a spike to make it look like all of her intrustions are coming from Col. Ackerspn, which would include when Cortana goes in there to find out MC's past (the flash cloning, etc.). The best part is, Cortana wipes her own memory, so her ethics subroutines don't get in the way. This isn't saying that Ackerson doesn't have a SPARTAN III project going on (I think he probably does, hence the Chief Petty Officer Mendez email), but it could be another trick.

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Yeah, a little late on my end, but I think this helps justify something that I mentioned a while back. From an interview with PC Gamer (August 2000):

"We're all huge sci-fi fans here," says Jones, "and with a few notable exceptions, Hollywood has forgotten how to make a real sci-fi film So a lot of our inspiration has come from literature."
Unlike cinema, which often blandly duplicates the success of former crowd-pleasers like Blade Runner, current sci-fi authors like Neal Stephenson (snow crash), Iain Banks (Consider Phlebas) and Peter Hamilton (The Neutronium Alchemist) provide the petrol that fuels the imagination of Halo's team. "In the way that Iain Banks is really hard sci-fi, we're trying to stay very realistic," says Jones. "Every thing in the game should be realistic and believable, which is something that Banks does really well."


Sumarian Culture, Snow Crash... Everybody steals from somewhere, plot wise, but not everybody can steal and make it something unique. I think we're looking at a little bit of that here.

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Theere's an interesting thought. Is it possible JD could be the original Master Chief, Mendez? They guy who trained the Spartans would most certainly be a bit more formidable than any other soldier...

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Mendez: Again, bada$$, a trainer more than a warrior anymore, nothing can kill him, paper-pusher, terrific stratigist/brilliant mind... It's hard to say, really. It may or may not deal with him. There's enough evidence to point to no, he can't be it, but there's enough out there to say he just might still be fighting. He reminds me of Johnson, only with a cigar in his mouth. Actually, he reminds me more of Al Matthews.

Bonus points if you know who that is without doing a websearch.

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Unfortunately, you missed another key point. When Cortana first completely inflitrates the ONI system, she inserts a spike to make it look like all of her intrustions are coming from Col. Ackerspn, which would include when Cortana goes in there to find out MC's past (the flash cloning, etc.). The best part is, Cortana wipes her own memory, so her ethics subroutines don't get in the way. This isn't saying that Ackerson doesn't have a SPARTAN III project going on (I think he probably does, hence the Chief Petty Officer Mendez email), but it could be another trick.


On the contray, it specifically says Col. Ackerson was forming his own program for it. I believe it was Dr. Hanley who said it as an aside, I just don't have the time to bring forth the pages.

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Who is JD? Is he a Spartan?

I don't think so, seeing as how if all this happens before or during the fall of Reach, all Spartans would be accounted for on Reach for use by the UNSC.

I do, however, think that JD is someone very similar to MC in one way - he has exceptional training, experience, leadership abilities, and most of all, a good streak of luck. He is probably average in many abilities, much like MC was compared to fellow spartans (Kelly was a faster runner, Linda was a better shot), but on the Halo story page, it mentions how Cortana chose MC for their infiltration mission before Reach fell because of his overall well-roundedness, and because he had a streak of luck that the others didn't (which Dr. Halsey notes as well).

Also, keeping with the whole Gilgamesh theme, Enkidu and Gilgamesh fight the evil beastie, but in the end Gilgamesh is the one that kills it. It would be the same here - Enkidu will help, much like Cortana helped MC, but in the end, JD is going to be the one to "pull the trigger". Also, if Enkidu chose JD to be his Gilgamesh, then JD must have some strong leadership abilities, as Gilgamesh himself was the king of his people. So, in many ways, this whole pairing is like Cortana and MC were in the first game, how they depended on each other - but this time, the AI is a few bits shy of a byte.

What is causing the tremors on Frigid? If it's some new beast, have the Covenant encountered it?

It has to be something unpleasant. And let's not automatically assume that it's just ONE thing - Halo had the Sentinels, so why shouldn't this installation (if it is one) have something similar? If it was just one thing, I think the Covenant would have annihilated it by now with just sheer numbers and firepower.

Of course, I could be wrong.

Why does Enkidu want to keep JD from the rest of the humans?

For this one, we'll just have to wait and see.

As for what is Enkidu's plan, well, we're gonna have to sit that one out as well, until we get more info.

Now, on the subject of AIs,

As to human AI being superior, I would say over Covenant AIs, of course. But can you honestly tell me that beings who have created weaponry capable of annihilating all life in the universe, able to create handheld laser weaponry (the Sentries in Halo), create inferior AIs to a race who isn't even as technologically advanced as the Covenant?

My answer: yes. The one thing that humans had going for them was that their AIs were different, and that Cortana was perhaps the pinnacle of their AI development. An excerpt:

Cortana is one of thousands of AIs which populate the computer networks of the Human worlds. She is, however, somewhat unique; she is a direct copy of a human being, Dr. Halsey, and lacks behavioral inhibitors of any kind. She is free to do as she pleases, unlike most other military AIs, such as the ONI AI Beowulf, which is strict, sullen, and by-the-book. Cortana, on the other hand, is strong-headed, noisy, and somewhat off-the-wall.

The main difference between Cortana and 343 GS is that 343 GS was made for one thing - to monitor and contain the Flood on installation 04. In that respect, he could be wily and unpredictable, if need be, but he was very much by the book. He could improvise, but only when forced to. Cortana, however, could and did dance rings around 343 GS.

I think 343 Guilty Spark was much, much more powerful than we think he is. Remember, he got into the database of the Pillar of Autumn like it was nothing, and the PoA had all the anti-spy tech ONI could put on it.

I don't think so. First off, 343 GS was made for one purpose, while Cortana was not (this is arguable, but 343 GS was made to contain the flood only. He doesn't appear until they have broken their cages, so to say). Also, while it's true that he got into the database on the PoA, it was a "local tap", as Cortana points out in the game. Also, while the PoA might have had top of the line ONI spook-tech on it, that was to prevent people from the outside (i.e. Covenant ships) from breaking in and causing havoc. If the person "breaking in" is already on the inside, well, it's that much easier. Also, if the Covenant were to be able to access the database from inside the PoA, as when they had secured the crash site, the humans would have purged the database as per Cole Protocol.

My theory? 343 let Cortana into the Forerunner network. Maybe he had knowledge of what was transpiring on Frigid and figred she'd go crazy when exposed to that much data or he'sso arrogant he underestimated Cortana's ability to foil his plan.

I suggest a third idea - that 343 didn't do crap because Cortana in the core wasn't something he'd know about (his classification level, as he says so often, is not high enough to do things like reunite the Index with the Core, so it's obvious that he has limitations on him), and even if he did know about it (which he didn't, because when he sees her in the Core for the first time, he's a bit agitated about it), it wouldn't have "woken him up" because it was not a trigger for him, while the Flood infection was. 343 GS, to me, is much like an AI like Beowulf, done to achieve a specific goal, much like Deja was for teaching the Spartans during training.

Either way, I think that if 343 Guilty Spark knew what Cortana was doing he would have stopped her easily.

He couldn't. Cortana herself pointed this out when she said, "You can just float and sputter!" to 343 GS in the control room.

I think that on the Pillar of Autumn 343 Guilty Spark got his revenge on Cortana, maybe affecting her code in some way that the Chief notices in First Strike.

No, I didn't think he could affect her code at all. More interesting bits from the Halo story page:

However, since her time in Halo 04's Control Center, Cortana has found herself laden with vast amounts of hastily compressed data, the contents of which would surely initiate consequences beyond anyone's wildest expectations. There simply has not been a chance or location to unload and analyze it, something that has frustrated her to no end. The additional burden of carrying this inaccessible information has considerably dampened her prowess and as well, as her abilities of concentration and multitasking, as she noticed on several occasions in contact with the Covenant AI aboard the Ascendant Justice....

As her temper shortens, and her absent-mindedness increases under the load of the Forerunner data, the urgency to find a place to dump and resort her cargo has been coupled with the strain. Let us hope that her former primary objectives of protecting Humanity cannot be willfully circumvented with the ease that she manipulates her own ethics protocols...


And therein lies the rub. We know that Cortana is under a lot of strain, and that in First Strike, MC notices her as being more "twitchy" after she acquired the index.

What does this all mean for Enkidu? First off - was he an AI like Cortana, with no behavioral inhibitors, or was he made for a specific purpose? Whereas Cortana is changing under the stress of all her additional information, Enkidu is perhaps changing/ed under the strain of being released onto a network vastly superior to anything he's ever known, and having patched himself with bits of code from that network, well, that's the unknown factor.

As for the identity of JD, I don't think he is a Spartan, because if he was, then why didn't they load him up into the Spartan's processor matrix slot that each suit of Mjolnir armor comes with? To use and/or access him, terminals are needed, and we see that when the humans reach Frigid, they need to plug Enkidu into their terminals in order to open the doors, whereas Cortana, using the MC's suit, was able to do that while mobile.

Also, another though just occured to me - is it possible that perhaps Enkidu is teleporting JD around, having him pop in and out of engagements with the enemy? We know that Cortana could do this with MC, after she'd spent time in the Core on Halo. What's to say that this place on Frigid doesn't have the same capabilities for teleportation that Halo did? And if Enkidu has found them, what's to say that he hasn't used them to his own benefit yet?

Waiting for the next terminal...

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Wow, Ogun...it's nice to read a post from somebody with clear thinking abilities that can put it all down in writing too. I agree with most everything you said, and give you an 'A' for that short story/explanation. Spelling is excellent. Thankyou!!!

RAL

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Posted by: GhostOfSorrow
What if the first "Reclaimer" sent it?

and in the source code, the UNSC image is sourced from Marathon.gif


I'd like to correct this, and I'm sorry if anyone else posted it.. This is the first post on a Bungie Forum in a while, and within that time I have gotten many new nicks, but anyway.
The First Reclaimer was a Seargeant of the UNSC, I forget the name on account of my friend is borrowing the book, but he was on Halo. If you read Halo: The Flood, then go to the section of 343 Guilty Spark, and halfway through you'll see that the Master Chief has found the corpse of a Marine. Then the monitor comments on how he was teh first reclaimer, and that he had lesser class armor, and some other stuff of sorts.

Anyway, I just wanted to clear it up, as I'm still reading page 10 and wanting to help you guys out.

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Posted by: Ogun
As for the identity of JD, I don't think he is a Spartan, because if he was, then why didn't they load him up into the Spartan's processor matrix slot that each suit of Mjolnir armor comes with?


I don't think all the Spartans have the cabability to hold AI's. John did not have the ability until August 29 well after the events in the Enkidu terminals started.

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Thanks, RAL.... I guess there IS a benefit, after all, to having an English degree! Impeccable spelling! LOL.

Seriously, though, after having read some heavyweight authors in my time for my degree, whoever wrote the Cortana letters and the Enkidu terminals is a damned good writer and planner as well, because there is no way they could've come up with this overnight. Kudos to the person (or AI) that came up with all of this.

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so what im gathering (this from someone who never played marathon, hasnt read the halo books yet, and is relativley new to the forums) is that the fall of reach happened in the marathon series, which happened before halo, and the events of these terminals happened before the fall of reach, and the general link we're seeing is that when an AI construct gets some free time in a forerunner network, they go schitzo, hence some mond bending secret exists therein. don't flame the guy who dosent understand, someone just throw me a yes or no.

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Posted by: Hedwig
Posted by: Ogun
As for the identity of JD, I don't think he is a Spartan, because if he was, then why didn't they load him up into the Spartan's processor matrix slot that each suit of Mjolnir armor comes with?


I don't think all the Spartans have the cabability to hold AI's. John did not have the ability until August 29 well after the events in the Enkidu terminals started.


Okay... so this means what? From what I remember from the Fall of Reach, the Mjolnir Mk. II (I think that's the version number) was introduced, so that MC and the Spartans who were to infiltrate and take over the Covenant ship would have a "specialist" with them - that specialist being none other than Cortana. As I recall, all the Spartans were given this armor, primarily because, among other things, it had the Covenant shield technology incorporated into it. Therefore, all Spartans (as I understand their armor specs) DO have the ability to slot an AI - in the event that, should the host die, another Spartan can slot them in to complete the mission.

This would mean that, if the events on Frigid take place before or during the Fall of Reach or Halo, then JD cannot be a Spartan. Even Kelly, who goes with Dr. Halsey, does so at the end of First Strike, which is well after the events of Halo. Seeing as how JD cannot "slot" Enkidu into their armor, maybe because the armor was didn't exist at the time, I think that pretty much rules out the idea that JD is a Spartan at all.

So, if he's not that, then what? I think he's either an ODST or maybe some rank and file grunt that Enkidu has taken a shine to who also happens to be lucky as well.

Any comments?

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in response to ogun
My answer: yes. The one thing that humans had going for them was that their AIs were different, and that Cortana was perhaps the pinnacle of their AI development.
.... about the whole ai issue... we know enkidu has merged with another ai... however we do not know what kind of ai enkidu was orginally......
u see cortana was as u stated a superior ai .... best of the best..... and she was able to beat 343.. however a "dumb" ai (as used in the books) would not have near the "firepower" of cortana and therefore be easily consumed......
just a thought


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Ogun that was a pretty good summery of what is going on. I agree with you on most of the points. Like I have said before human AIs are much smarter than other races.

As for JD who knows he could be anyone. I do not think however he is a Spartan.

Here is what we know about JD.

1. JD and his team were ordered to revive the remaining crew and to collect survival gear. Then get on the pelicans

2. By this statement As per Article 2, I am compacting myself in preparation for a hard transfer off-ship. I will be unavailable for much of the time until then. leads me to believe that JD uses E. for many tasks that or for information. Sounds like he talks to him more than the average crew member.

3. E. is relaying the mission status to JD only. Then tells JD to forward his best wishes to the Capt.

4. JD has some type of military skills that come in very handy in though times. E. says Of course you came through all right. You always do. That's what makes you so useful. And so dangerous. No wonder you keep making such interesting friends. Something of interest to me is that E. says to JD You're the one with the secret decoder rings. now this could mean that JD has the ability to figure out what E. is talking about. Or JD is ONI.

5. E. asks JD Enough of that racket. Or do you want some more? And shouldn't you be doing something about this? So this tells me that JD has to be someone that could come up with a plan to fight the covies. Again this makes me think of ONI.

6.The Capt. Has no idea why E. has taken a liking to JD. So this tells me that JD is not a spartan. If he was then the Capt would expect it.

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Well yes...

I thought the whole idea of the story line in The Fall of Reach was the tragedy of all the Spartans dying at once...because they were ALL THERE. There was no hint that others were off somewhere else at that time...in which case, JD could not be a Spartan (if we're sticking to the whole timeline thingy).

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Crap, I just remebered. When Doc. Hasley recalls all the Spartans for their final outfitting, she says "Assembled here tonight are all surviving SPARTANS, save 3m who are otherwise engaged on fields of combat too distant to be easily recalled." So that leaves 3 SPARTANS, who would not have had the final MJOLNIR upgrade to thier suits, leaving them incapable of holding an AI, which is what Hedwig is referring to.

Also, about the Cortana leaving a fake Ackerson trace (and I quote):

"She entered, searched, and found what she wanted. Every piece of data on SPARTAN 117 was copied to her personal directory within 70 miliseconds. She withrew for the ONI database, routing all traces of her queries back to her Ackerson "ghost"." (it's pages 267-269 in The Fall of Reach).

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Ohhhhhhhh......interesting.

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The Doc. Hasley quote is in "The Fall of Reach", pg 240

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Posted by: RAL
Well yes...

I thought the whole idea of the story line in The Fall of Reach was the tragedy of all the Spartans dying at once...because they were ALL THERE. There was no hint that others were off somewhere else at that time...in which case, JD could not be a Spartan (if we're sticking to the whole timeline thingy).

Hey Cupcake, are you proud of me????

RAL

lol sorry to ruin ur happy days but there was a reference in the fall of reach that states... that all but 3 of the spartans were there....the three were off to far to be recalled....also this is taking place at the exact same time reach is falling sooooo........
figure it out urself...lol

also the secret decoder rings------ everyone seems to keep mentioning oni.....however does anyone remeber reading HALO:the flood....if there is one thing i remember from that book it is that the MC had a nack for hitting the right buttton.....lol......if u dont remember read the part where he gets to teh silent cartogropher....could enkidu be referring to this "nack" as his secret decoder rings...

just a thought

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Yeah, I got that part now...that's when I said "Ohhhh....interesting", but thanks anyway.

RAL

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I've just reread a few of the lates messages and realized something (not the first I'm sure) that coexists with the Cortana letters.

Oh dear. Were you expecting company? I think your friends have!~$%&#@--- [transfer interrupted]

[ . CCS SWORD OF JUSTICE]
[ o UNSC LEBANON]
[Route Code: MNNT > XCV - UNSC > ALLCH]
[Source: Undetermined (trans)]

Your presence is a stain upon the honor of the gods. Their honor shall be cleansed.


Notice this,CCS Sword of Justice personally I think thats a Covenant ship (probably almost 99% of you people do as well). Anyways, for those of you that have read the Cortana letters know that the Truth and Reconciliation also had the CCS abreviation ahead of it as well. What do you think this stands for Covenant Command Ship perhaps but the T&R was more like a cruiser or a frigate, so maybe is means Covenant Cruise Ship who knows... also if you also recall in the Cortana letters everyime the Covenant would retalliate by sending message such as that one.
What do ya guys think?



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thats good obervance shifty however i believe that the truth and reconciliation was in fact a command.....flag ship.... was it not....because it was severly understaffed.....i dunno..... that was the ship the took over in FS right?

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This is my first post but I have been following everything with a keen interest. I have one item that we all seem to have forgoten about... the time warping forerunner crystal found in "Halo: First Strike". This could make all of the time line arguments null and void if a similar object exists on Frigid. Anyway... if someone has brought this up before I apologize... just food for thought.

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Posted by: sniperz53
in response to ogun
My answer: yes. The one thing that humans had going for them was that their AIs were different, and that Cortana was perhaps the pinnacle of their AI development.
.... about the whole ai issue... we know enkidu has merged with another ai... however we do not know what kind of ai enkidu was orginally......
u see cortana was as u stated a superior ai .... best of the best..... and she was able to beat 343.. however a "dumb" ai (as used in the books) would not have near the "firepower" of cortana and therefore be easily consumed......
just a thought


I wouldn't say consumed. I'd rather say "evolved", because while E. is still the same in some respects (fights for the humans, so far), he has become something far different since whatever happened to him on the network caused him to go rampant and grow.
What I think may have happened is that while E. was a normal, run of the mill AI, after he got on the network and patched his subroutines using Forerunner code, the mix caused him to mutate (much like the Flood will mutate a host body), and now what we are seeing is the new, "improved" version of Enkidu.

I don't know for sure if I want to say that E. has merged with another AI, and the evidence for this is in Cortana - while we don't know about E., we do know that after stashing the Index, Cortana starts to act weird from the stress of so much information. However, because she is top of the line, she can handle it and her main functions are negligibly impaired.

Enkidu, on the other hand, we don't know about. So, assuming that he is an AI of lesser capabilities than Cortana (read my earlier posts to understand what makes Cortana stand above the rest), I'm guessing the same thing happened - that Enkidu came across a wealth of information (the new network he was plugged into), and after using some of it to fix himself (thus making a "franken-AI"), he began to change over time into what he now is. In other words, while Enkidu has been augmented via the network, the stress was a bit too much for him to handle, and now Enkidu is acting a bit off, to say the least. I'm pretty sure that if Cortana was plugged into this network, she'd have no problem, seeing as how she was plugged into the Core of Halo and had no problem there (until after she stashed the Index).

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