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Subject: Enkidu - Cortana Letters Revisted?
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We already have decided that the Sword of Justice is a Covenant ship. We have no evidence to prove or disprove the use of the time crystal but it does not seem to matter now that we have the latest terminals. We know that E. is not Cortana or 343GS by how the capt. describes what is going on.

I do have a question though. Where is JD? He cant be on the Ship. It has been destroyed. Yet the capt. does not make it sound like he is on the planet. Maybe I am wrong. Let me know if I am.

  • 05.05.2004 3:02 PM PDT
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After some research I've noticed that the writer strongly relies on Babylonian history and mythology as well.
Here are some of these refrences-

Main
Enkidu- Legendary friend of Gilgamesh
Gilgamesh- Legendary Sumerian king and hero of Sumerian and Babylonian epics
Babylon- the chief city of ancient Mesopotamia and capitol of the ancient kingdom of Babylonia
Sumeria- An area in the southern region of Babylon

Please Allow Me To Introduce Myself
I roamed the forests as I wished after Enlil starved the gods.
Enlil- God of the air and king of Sumerian gods

A Blast From The Past (a big one)
Gilgamesh opened his mouth to speak, saying to Enkidu:
"My brother! Why do you show fear? You are shaped by Aruru from humble clay.

Aruru- mother and earth goddess
Remember Humbaba! "His voice is the Deluge! His speech is fire! He is cherished by Anu!
Deluge- Flood
Anu- Babylonian god of the sky; one of the supreme triad including Bel and Ea
Bel- Babylonian god of the earth and was (get ready for this) earlier identified with Enlil (see above)
Ea- the Babylonian god of wisdom and was the counterpart of the Sumerian Enki; as one of the supreme triad including Anu and Bel he was assigned control of the watery element
Enki- Water god and god of wisdom.
(those last three havent been mentioned as of yet, but perhaps they might turn up)

It's a Cold Day Here in Hell
Besides, you're asking the wrong question. You should be asking, "Igigi, or Anunnaki?" I'm not sure I could answer. But I don't need to.
Igigi- any of a group of heavenly spirits under the god Anu (see above)
Anunnaki- any of a group of powerful Babylonian earth spirits or genii; servitors of the gods

What all this means, I'm not quite sure. I might have an explanation for E's reaction like this. If you've read Halo: The Flood, you know that an AI named Wesley(sp?) consistantly spoke as if he, himself was General Wellington in the British army and made constant refrences to "his" past experiences and battles. Hmmm... anyways there still may be more refrences to Babylon yet. I'm sorry if some of this was hard to follow. Happy huntin







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  • 05.05.2004 3:06 PM PDT
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The entire skeleton crew hopped into those lifepods and blasted down to Frigid. No one knows exactly where on the planet he is, but it's probably alone, somewhere way from Captain Mathers, who most likely also hopped into one of those flashy life pods.

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lol sorry to ruin ur happy days but there was a reference in the fall of reach that states... that all but 3 of the spartans were there....the three were off to far to be recalled....also this is taking place at the exact same time reach is falling sooooo........
figure it out urself...lol


The reference in the Fall of Reach is true, but then chew on this:

Both before and after their final union with the MJOLNIR armour, the SPARTAN II's, with their overwhelming physical abilities, improvisational skills, and keenness for adversity, handled their operations with a profound efficiency: as of August 27, 2552 they had suffered only 3 KIA's and 1 too wounded to continue active duty, giving them the best record of any UNSC unit. Of course, they were officially listed as MIA, part of ONI Section 2's successful propaganda campaign to boost morale; a program spearheaded by the SPARTAN II's and their glorious triumphs in battle, though strangely silent concerning Humanity's slow and imminent loss of the war against the Covenant.

Now, the wounded Spartan would've been accountable. As for the 3 "missing" Spartans, read this.

Section 2 of ONI is involved primarily in propaganda and data manipulation, both in the name of security and keeping the hopes of Humanity set high.

Who is to say that ONI doesn't lie to their own team, or to the Spartans, as to what has happened to their comrades? For all we know, ONI could be lying to the Spartans as well, in order to keep their own morale high (though I don't think it would be as big a problem with the Spartans, ONI is paranoid enough to not take any chances, LOL).

Looking at the last terminal, the date is Septermber 09, 2552 (09.09.2552, upper right hand corner). So, by this time, there are three Spartan KIAs, but whether or not the rest of the Spartans on reach know this is questionable. I doubt, with the Covenant fleet massing, that ONI would reveal that three of the "supersoldiers" were KIA.

As for the secret decoder rings - well, while the jury is still out on if JD is a Spartan or not (I say nay), we do know that he has access to decoding stuff - in other words, he has some level of security clearance that others don't.

This means that he is either an ONI spook, a mid-ranking officer that has some security clearance (he was put in charge of a landing team and talks directly with the Captain of the Lebanon), or someone the Captain knows personally. I think JD is a mid-ranking officer, personally.

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lol sorry to ruin ur happy days but there was a reference in the fall of reach that states... that all but 3 of the spartans were there....the three were off to far to be recalled....also this is taking place at the exact same time reach is falling sooooo........
figure it out urself...lol


The reference in the Fall of Reach is true, but then chew on this:

Both before and after their final union with the MJOLNIR armour, the SPARTAN II's, with their overwhelming physical abilities, improvisational skills, and keenness for adversity, handled their operations with a profound efficiency: as of August 27, 2552 they had suffered only 3 KIA's and 1 too wounded to continue active duty, giving them the best record of any UNSC unit. Of course, they were officially listed as MIA, part of ONI Section 2's successful propaganda campaign to boost morale; a program spearheaded by the SPARTAN II's and their glorious triumphs in battle, though strangely silent concerning Humanity's slow and imminent loss of the war against the Covenant.

Now, the wounded Spartan would've been accountable. As for the 3 "missing" Spartans, read this.

Section 2 of ONI is involved primarily in propaganda and data manipulation, both in the name of security and keeping the hopes of Humanity set high.

Who is to say that ONI doesn't lie to their own team, or to the Spartans, as to what has happened to their comrades? For all we know, ONI could be lying to the Spartans as well, in order to keep their own morale high (though I don't think it would be as big a problem with the Spartans, ONI is paranoid enough to not take any chances, LOL).

Looking at the last terminal, the date is Septermber 09, 2552 (09.09.2552, upper right hand corner). So, by this time, there are three Spartan KIAs, but whether or not the rest of the Spartans on reach know this is questionable. I doubt, with the Covenant fleet massing, that ONI would reveal that three of the "supersoldiers" were KIA.

As for the secret decoder rings - well, while the jury is still out on if JD is a Spartan or not (I say nay), we do know that he has access to decoding stuff - in other words, he has some level of security clearance that others don't.

This means that he is either an ONI spook, a mid-ranking officer that has some security clearance (he was put in charge of a landing team and talks directly with the Captain of the Lebanon), or someone the Captain knows personally. I think JD is a mid-ranking officer, personally.

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Apologies for the double post - network hiccup.

Can a moderator take one out, please?

  • 05.05.2004 3:11 PM PDT
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Posted by: Ogun

Okay... so this means what? From what I remember from the Fall of Reach, the Mjolnir Mk. II (I think that's the version number) was introduced, so that MC and the Spartans who were to infiltrate and take over the Covenant ship would have a "specialist" with them - that specialist being none other than Cortana. As I recall, all the Spartans were given this armor, primarily because, among other things, it had the Covenant shield technology incorporated into it. Therefore, all Spartans (as I understand their armor specs) DO have the ability to slot an AI - in the event that, should the host die, another Spartan can slot them in to complete the mission.


Actually, it's not the armor that gave John the ability to hold an AI, as i remember, Dr. Halsey called master chief to the training ground place to prove her SPARTAN-II project in the course, and she had john (master chief) lie down on a bed and she like drilled into his skull i remember.. which allowed him to interface with cortana, and he got his new suit, and face the unfair obstacle course..

This might still mean that the others had to AI slot too, just John had it first, and there was no mention in the books of them having an AI slot interface in their suits. This still means that they could have gone and did the same surgical thing to the rest as they did to john.

Edit: Also, i dont think that JD could be a midranking officer because officers done risk thier asses all the time, so they wouldn't be great fighters. And if u dont know, Officers sit at their desks and worry about what is going on, Enlisted men are the ones it is happening to.

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  • 05.05.2004 3:14 PM PDT
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Shifty - good research there.

Perhaps the reference to earth or air spirits is Enkidu's way of describing the "things" that the Covenant are fighting against? Air, like Sentinels, or something earthbound that we haven't seen yet.

As for your point about the AI Wesley, good one. I was thinking about that too, but I couldn't remember his name for the life of me.

  • 05.05.2004 3:16 PM PDT
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Come on #10....hurry up!!!!

  • 05.05.2004 3:18 PM PDT
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To clarify,

http://www.xbox.com/en-US/halo/spotlight2.htm

and some of the text itself,

Each SPARTAN has a molecular fiber network within his brain, an upgrade to the standard "Command Neural Interface" (issued to all UNSC troops). This network translates electrochemical signals to digital code and routes them through an interface connection at the rear of the skull. His thoughts could now command the armor's movement and weapons, and input from the onboard sensors could come directly to his mind. The synthesis of machine and mind is so fast that it is almost impossible to chart—reaction time is more than five times faster than of an unaugmented human.

Sandwiched between the external armor and the internal padding is the most devastating weapon the suit carries: a layer of crystal. Woven by molecular tools into a superdense optical computer memory, this crystalline layer forms a network capable of supporting the kinds of artificial intelligence usually reserved for starships—a "piggyback" system. An AI's personality and processing matrices can be carried by the armor and delivered to the onboard storage in a crystal data chip no larger than a personal currency chit.

  • 05.05.2004 3:20 PM PDT
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So what are you getting at? Just kidding. Thanks for clarifying.

RAL

  • 05.05.2004 3:22 PM PDT
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Here is a strong clue to support my previous idea that JD is a ranking member of the Lebanon, perhaps 2nd in command to the Captain.

This is from Terminal 9.

I don't need to tell you that we're in rough shape. I do need to tell you how rough, though, so that we can plan a way out of this pickle.


I'll call attention to the fact that the Captain says, "... so that we can plan a way out of this pickle."

Why would a Captain want to plan with a rank and file, or an ONI spook? Sounds to me that maybe JD is 1st mate, or whatever the rank would be for second in command on a UNSC vessel under captain.

Just another thought...

  • 05.05.2004 3:31 PM PDT
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THEORY ALERT!!!! THEORY ALERT!!!
now this one is way out there so listen to me

E is pretty much part of this old system now probably concieved by the fore runner now say the humans are related to either forerunner or the reclaimers(if they are a differen species) now these machines probably have protocols to allow forerunner/reclaimers entry into the instillations. now that E has become a part of this system he has to follow its protocols even if he knows they aren't forerunner that would explain why he had to let them in but why he is unhappy about it, also maybe now that he does have access to this database system then he sees that jondoe a spartan(possibly) is very closely related to fore runner
remember its just an off the wall theory

  • 05.05.2004 3:35 PM PDT
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Posted by: Ogun
Here is a strong clue to support my previous idea that JD is a ranking member of the Lebanon, perhaps 2nd in command to the Captain.

This is from Terminal 9.

I don't need to tell you that we're in rough shape. I do need to tell you how rough, though, so that we can plan a way out of this pickle.


I'll call attention to the fact that the Captain says, "... so that we can plan a way out of this pickle."

Why would a Captain want to plan with a rank and file, or an ONI spook? Sounds to me that maybe JD is 1st mate, or whatever the rank would be for second in command on a UNSC vessel under captain.

Just another thought...


i completely agree with that however the captain wouldnt just want to be planning with a bridge officer.... or enlisted crewman..... he would want to be planning with some1 who has a record of winning ground engagements which would be a spartan

  • 05.05.2004 3:42 PM PDT
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Damn , I think all of this is a story between Human AI. Endiku is an AI like cortana and the vermin are another AI or virus. This is probably just a story that is happening on the Battle network.

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Two things crossed my mind while reviewing all the posts. 1) The tremors. They seem to correspond with waves of Covenant troops. I'll say beforehand that I have no evidence to support this claim; it's all hypothesis. Enkidu is in the Forerunner network and at least seems to have the power to hold the doors open for the humans, so couldn't he also have access to any Forerunner defenses? Perhaps these tremors are result of point defense that Enkidu is using to weaken Covenant forces so his pal JD doesn't take a little dirtnap. Him not mentioning anything about it wouldn't be a surprise either, he doesn't tell anybody but JD anything and will hardly let Matthers contact JD. [while I suspect tremors to be "humbaba" I'm trying to look from multiple sides here] 2) Enkidu:"I'm busy dealing with your stupid friends." Sounds like Enkidu is a little bit on the angry side and possibly out to arrange a meeting between the surviving crew and the Covenant.

Guess I should read the epic of Gilgamesh to get all of this. . . but who has time for that.

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Oh yeah, why isn't this stickied? *knocks on computer screen* Wake up moderators!

  • 05.05.2004 3:57 PM PDT
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It was a sticky, for about a week. Then it was replaced by the weekly update. But around page nine they took it off sticky-ness, of ciurse, it's now on page thirty-three. I bet Shishka and stosh aren't even keeping up with it anymore...

  • 05.05.2004 4:26 PM PDT
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Posted by: sniperz53
thats good obervance shifty however i believe that the truth and reconciliation was in fact a command.....flag ship.... was it not....because it was severly understaffed.....i dunno..... that was the ship the took over in FS right?

The humans tried to take over the T&R but eventually lost the struggle to the Flood. Now at the beginning of First Strike the MC and the remaining humans take over the Ascendant Justice.

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Could it be possible that the A.I. Enkidu is being used by another "force" within the network to handle the unauthorized intrusion? A sort of fail-safe program or somthing similar?

"I'm busy dealing with your stupid friends"... If this was still the orignial Enkidu why would the A.I. speak of "our" friends as if it never came in contact with the UNSC personnel before?

Enkidu was a "friend" of a "friend"(UNSC personnel) untill the A.I. gained acess to the network. Would that explain the question mark in "a friend(?) of a friend" ?

[Edited on 5/5/2004 4:43:35 PM]

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Ok I just caught up to you all and I have some things to say about what I've read in the terminals (recent) and what you all have been saying.

1.In "You Have 49 Unread Messages" I have noticed one thing I think you all missed. Tartarius I think said something about that in the cortana letters and enkidu terminals there is a lot of talk of eternity and I was really interested in this part from the terminal (You Have 49 Unread Messages) :

"Looking upon holy relics is forbidden for your kind.
Immediate purification is our only possible response.
Vile you were. Vile you shall ever be. You shall not rise.
Eternity is granted only upon the faithful. Our ascension is assured.
Sinners are granted only oblivion. Your fate is decreed for all time.
!~$%&#@--- [transfer interrupted] "

What I got out of that is there might be something in there, and it grants somebody eternity (time travel might be one of the these things). Or the Cov. are just saying that cause they think that this FRIGID is a holy relic and we are forbidden to be there and you must believe in their religion or you will be "granted only oblivion" I dont know I am just throwing around Ideas that I was thinking about.

2.Another thing I am thinking about is the embedded message ENKIDU LIVES! Maybe This isnt the Cov. talking to everybody, but enkidu himself! I dont think this is mere coincedence.
And he is not giving alot of info to any body on frigid. If he was totally loyale why wouldnt he just tell them everything?????

The more messages we get the more it looks like that Enkidu is corrupt, not Enkidu anymore, Or just went straight benidict arnold (spelling) on everybody.

3. One other thing I was wondering about is what if Enkidu is a part of or is a forerunner AI now. He definetly sounds like one. Maybe he is keeping info from the humans cause he wants to use them like the forerunners wanted to use the flood: to study them. thats why he hasnt killed them yet and why he is not giving them alot of info. he is trying to stop them from leaving.

These are just my theories on what is going on and what is going to happen. Let me know what you think!

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ty for clearing that up for me hedwig

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sorry bud but enkidu is a human ai...he came from the ship....and we believe he merged with another ai....but not sure bout that on yet.....
cmon number 10

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Posted by: Scipio
Two things crossed my mind while reviewing all the posts. 1) The tremors. They seem to correspond with waves of Covenant troops. I'll say beforehand that I have no evidence to support this claim; it's all hypothesis. Enkidu is in the Forerunner network and at least seems to have the power to hold the doors open for the humans, so couldn't he also have access to any Forerunner defenses? Perhaps these tremors are result of point defense that Enkidu is using to weaken Covenant forces so his pal JD doesn't take a little dirtnap...


I seem to remember reading in FS that tremors that were being felt by the Spartans (on Reach) were a direct result of the Covenant excavating the mountain in order to recover an artifact (Time Crystal thingy).
Could it be that they are also digging into this planet to extract another artifact and in the process causing these tremors?

I'm probably missing something so dont think I'm too confident about this.
If you do find a major fault in this theory please tell me.

[Edited on 5/5/2004 5:03:16 PM]

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