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Wow, there's lots of good stuff here. In truth, there's nothing really I can add that hasn't been commented on before. Keep up the good work.

Not sure if this has been mentioned (hey, YOU try sifting through 33 pages!), but the latest section, "Appetite for Destruction", is also the name of a great Guns N' Roses album. Yeah, random, I know.

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Posted by: JonR2000
Wow, there's lots of good stuff here. In truth, there's nothing really I can add that hasn't been commented on before. Keep up the good work.

Not sure if this has been mentioned (hey, YOU try sifting through 33 pages!), but the latest section, "Appetite for Destruction", is also the name of a great Guns N' Roses album. Yeah, random, I know.


Thank you for your useless post.
I am aware that this post may be deemed useless but without it you would not be made aware that your post was useless. :D

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Posted by: Scipio
Guess I should read the epic of Gilgamesh to get all of this. . . but who has time for that.


Irritatingly enough, I went to B&N and picked up a copy of the legend of Gilgamesh. I don't often get into "fandom" stuff, but you can't argue with the fact that what Bungie comes up with, it's always rich and deep.

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Posted by: AngryHellfish
Bump


DO NOT bump this thread...

1) Bumping is illegal on these forums - Stosh will shut us down
2) This thread doesn't need to be bumped - a new terminal release will do that anyway
3) This thread hasn't got to 33 page without reason

EDIT:

I believe CCS stands for Covenant Capitol Ship - looking for the quote...

[Edited on 5/5/2004 8:39:37 PM]

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In the Sit(down)uation Report capt. Mathers, when describing the tremors, says that they do not match up with libration stresses or anything else they can think of. I looked up the definition of libration and found that a libration(or legrange) point is a point in space that a particle would remain for all time. Libration points co-rotate with the solar system, therefore they do not change position with the respect to the primary bodies in a system. This explains why the sun doesn't set where the Forerunner installation is located. The definition itself does not seem to be important, but what caught my eye is that libration points are also called legrange points. Installation 004 was located at a legrange point between the gas giant Threshold and it's moon Basis. So, we now have two seperate installations that are both at legrange points in their respective solar systems. I do not believe this to be a coincidence, but have not yet figured out what the advantage would be for the Forerunner to build their installations at these legrange points. Any help on this topic would be much appreciated.

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Halo is on a legrange point relative to Threshold and Basis not the Sun, right? Where as Frigid is at a Legrange point relative to it's primary sun...

  • 05.05.2004 9:34 PM PDT
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Is ENKIDU really rampant?

In the content line of "allow me to introduce mysel" the word dysphoria is displayed. Dysphoria is an emotional state characterized by anxiety, depression, and restlessness. It comes from the GREEK dusphoros meaning hard to bear.

In the content line of "Blast from the Past" the word anachronism is displayed. Numerous posters have divulged that that means an artifact belonging to another time, A PERSON DISPLACED IN TIME, or something located at a time it couldn't possibly have existed. The word anachronism nowadays is commonly used to refer to a psychological condition called
ANACHRONISTIC DISPLACEMENT, which refers to an OBSESSIVE or DYSFUNCTIONAL
belief or claim that a person BELONGS or SHOULD PROPERLY EXIST IN ANOTHER TIME.
People suffering from anachronistic displacement are unable to PROPERLY DEAL WITH ORDINARY FACTORS IN THE EVERYDAY WORLD.

Sound familiar.

Is it possible that when Enkidu was uploaded to the Forerunner network incompletely, and subsequently patched himself he lost his real or "true" history forcing him to go with the persona of the mythological Enkidu? This would lead him to believe that he was stuck in the wrong time causing some dysphoria. You see, to me, rampancy seems like a bad word. Like a rampant A.I. would be a "bad guy" or something, but Enkidu is still helping the Lebanon's crew. He's just a little "twitchy" because he's having trouble coping with being in an unfavorable situation, he feels like he's LOST IN TIME.

I don't know, maybe that's crazy but it sounded interesting so I figured I should share it.

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A legrange point is always going to be relative to the primary sun. The Moon is the perfect example, because it really isn't Earth's moon. A moon rotates around a planet. The Moon is at a Legrange point just beyond Earth from the Sun. That's where the expression "dark side of the moon" comes from, because there really is one. It just happened that one of the legrange points in the system that contained Threshold and Basis was directly between Threshold and Basis. It has nothing to do with them really. Just like the Moon really has nothing to do with Earth, which means it really isn't a moon anyway. Right?

Edit - on object in a legrange point will remain there until the end of time, so this not only relates to the primary sun but to every primary body in the solar system, i.e. every planet.
It will always face the same direction with some possibly slight "oscillation" that isn't really movement on the object in the legrange point but movement of the planet the object is viewed from. I think, it's something like that anyway.

[Edited on 5/5/2004 10:22:32 PM]

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Lagrange points are used to place objects in precise orbits with little energy expenditure. Example place Halo at a Lagrange point and it will continue orbiting Threshold with Basis without needing to contiue to make course corrections to remain in orbit.

Someone at HBO callculated the Lagrange points for Earth and the Moon where the Orbital MACs would be placed for the defense of Earth. Have a look

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Rampant: flourishing excessively, unrestrained;

Exactly what Enkidu is - he expanded into this new planetary system, and he is no longer under anyone's control. This doesn't he's bad, but orders aren't really his cup of tea...

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Posted by: Hedwig
Lagrange points are used to place objects in precise orbits with little energy expenditure. Example place Halo at a Lagrange point and it will continue orbiting Threshold with Basis without needing to contiue to make course corrections to remain in orbit.

Someone at HBO callculated the Lagrange points for Earth and the Moon where the Orbital MACs would be placed for the defense of Earth. Have a look


Thanks for helping out Hedwig, I'm not the best at explaining complex scientific terms, but you did a good job. Is the energy expenditure situation the reason why the Forerunner place their installations at legrange points? Or would there be more advantages than just not having to make course corrections. Not having to make course corrections would seem to be huge if you were creating installations to last for many years.

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Posted by: GOD Halo Fan
Rampant: flourishing excessively, unrestrained;

Exactly what Enkidu is - he expanded into this new planetary system, and he is no longer under anyone's control. This doesn't he's bad, but orders aren't really his cup of tea...


That's a good definition, I like that one. Like I said the whole thing was strange, seemed like it might be fun to kick around for a while, thanks for spoiling my fun GOD. Why, why do you always do this to me GOD, why? Man, I'm such an idiot.

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I don't think I've really got my head around Legrange points... But I understand how they would be useful to the Forerunners - keeping something in orbit for that long would take a lot of course corrections otherwise.

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Posted by: GOD Halo Fan
Rampant: flourishing excessively, unrestrained;

Exactly what Enkidu is - he expanded into this new planetary system, and he is no longer under anyone's control. This doesn't he's bad, but orders aren't really his cup of tea...


That's a good definition, I like that one. Like I said the whole thing was strange, seemed like it might be fun to kick around for a while, thanks for spoiling my fun GOD. Why, why do you always do this to me GOD, why? Man, I'm such an idiot.


Sorry, you can thank The Oxford English Minidictionary for that one. I only just looked it up, seems to fit pretty well...

EDIT: the lost in time stuff still applies though, maybe it's one of the symptoms of rampant AI's...

It could be that when introduced into a large (planetary) network with a huge expansion in "knowledge", AI's find it harder to define themselves and therefore revert to their namesake's history...

[Edited on 5/5/2004 10:09:15 PM]

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I found some interesting but disappoint allusions while rereading part of First Strike today:

[pertaining to the get-away of John and others] Cortana rechecked the figures and quickly found the source of the problem: The Failr-safe subroutine that tracked local gravitational conditions returned an analomy.

Now, in this instance they were holding the 'crystal' from under the Oni structure on the ship and from the planet, then all of a sudden the entire gravational force of a planet disppears? Is it a possible 'gravity' creator? We'll see.

[talking to Dr. Hanley about the logs from Halo] "You were right Doctor, these time stamps are off by an average of three weeks. I hypthosized that this was because of my transporal slipspace transition....That thing not only bends space but bends time as well. 'don't think of it as distance, said Dr Hanley. 'You and John were on a path intersecting the crystal. YOU had to be there at that place and at that time to recover us and to remove the crystal. Time and space warped to make that happen.

So this tells us that no matter what the time is, when there is a Halo structure with a crystal invovled.. or a planet (like this one sounds!) with it on it, there ARE time warping capabilities. Granted the letters show no evidence but none the less it throws a little twist into a thickening plot....

[Edited on 5/5/2004 10:09:01 PM]

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Okay, enough nonsense, it's time to get serious. My big question stemming from the last terminal is whether or not the tremors are coming from the surface or from beneath the surface. If it's the surface it would probably be some kind of digging equipment. I feel like the surface is more likely than beneath the surface because the tremors correspond to Covenant reinforcements arriving, maybe protecting the diggers. Someone posted that this is what they did to Reach and that seems like a perfectly good explanation to what's going on, they wouldn't glass a Forerunner installation. About Humbaba I am unconvinced that it is a specific thing. This whole event could be considered JD and Enkidu's Humbaba.

Another bit of "rampant" speculation(I'm having too much fun with this) - I know you guys remember the crystal from FS. When it was destroyed all of it's pieces could not be found. This means that some of them could have been left floating around in space, and with the crystal's ability to "bend" time and reality a shard could have found it's way to Frigid. The crystal isn't directly referred to but could be the description unidentified artifact displayed on the content line of "Shore Left". It's a Reach(get it) but possible. Maybe.

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Posted by: Abolitionofman



So this tells us that no matter what the time is, when there is a Halo structure with a crystal invovled.. or a planet (like this one sounds!) with it on it, there ARE time warping capabilities. Granted the letters show no evidence but none the less it throws a little twist into a thickening plot....


Don't forget the word anachronism from the content line of the source code for Blast from the Past. It could be a reference to an artifact belonging to another time. You never know.

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So listing theories on the Tremors:

1) The Covenant Excavating
they had already excavated a "large circular portion of the glacier"
they could be digging into the tunnel network
this happened on Reach...

2) Covenant Forces landing
if the landing parties make the earth shake - I feel sorry for JD

3) Another Forerunner Superweapon
the Forerunner installation does seem important and it's there for a reason

add to this list if I missed something...

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Posted by: GOD Halo Fan
So listing theories on the Tremors:

1) The Covenant Excavating
they had already excavated a "large circular portion of the glacier"
they could be digging into the tunnel network
this happened on Reach...


Wow :) someone acknowleged my theory as plausable, cool. Thanks GOD.
I didn't know that they had already excavated part of the glacier, can someone tell me which transmission on the enkidu site this was mentioned in?

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It is from Shore Left

Initial surveys show that the Covenant frigate we encountered has excavated a large circular portion of the day-side glacier. At the very center of the dig is a metallic signature that we cannot recognise. Lieutenant Demarais wishes to use this as our landing zone but I am afraid that it would also mark our location should the Covenant return.

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there have been a few posters with theories like that... so it seems like a valid theory...

excerpt from "Shore Left":
Pelican Squadron Able has successfully entered orbit around Frigid. Initial surveys show that the Covenant frigate we encountered has excavated a large circular portion of the day-side glacier. At the very center of the dig is a metallic signature that we cannot recognise. Lieutenant Demarais wishes to use this as our landing zone but I am afraid that it would also mark our location should the Covenant return.

EDIT: it seems Hedwig beat me to it...

[Edited on 5/5/2004 11:03:18 PM]

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Now this is PURE speculation here... no facts, nothin'

I have a theory that Part i of the prolouge will be JD's orders for this mission, and it's being released only once we have found out who JD is... I'm fairly certain this will turn out to be correct because what these terminals are missing as a story is "Who JD is" and "Why is he/she there".

What do you think?

EDIT: Also another theory on the Tremors... I don't think it likely but the recent Covenant Excavation into the Glacier may have disturbed it... large chunks of glacier breaking off?

[Edited on 5/5/2004 11:38:14 PM]

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Ok someone said it but i just wanted to add something. E. says to JD. that he is dealing with JD's so called friends and the capt. says the the tremors are seem to come at the same time as the covie's land. I think that E. is using some kind of weapon against the covies.

Oh and i wanted to add to something about the message ENKIDU LIVES!. We know the capt. told JD that E. is censoring everything. So I am thinking that the message did come from the Covies but Enkidu edited it to say ENKIDU LIVES! why i dont know. That would explain why the checksum did not match. webopedia says that a checksum is
A simple error-detection scheme in which each transmitted message is accompanied by a numerical value based on the number of set bits in the message. The receiving station then applies the same formula to the message and checks to make sure the accompanying numerical value is the same. If not, the receiver can assume that the message has been garbled
If the message came from E. the checksum would be fine, but if E. changed it then the checksum would not match.

I am not sure if this has been already said but i just wanted to make sure. If you already said it then thanks.

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The next one is up. Well not really you have to type in the URL manualy but you can get it to work http://enkidu.bungie.org/enkidu_k.html have not read it yet

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Ok this one is telling giving us some good info.

1. The time is UT 07:51:19 09.10.2552

2. ...consider me a school book suppository now! Thanks to your friends, I found a few new cubby holes in this place. Some spiffy tools were lying about in there, too, left behind by the previous owners. (Moving in is so much faster with a few helping hands, isn't it?) I can't begin to describe how much those have helped me brighten up the place.
Ok he said he found a spiffy tool. Could that be the shaking of the ground. Then he says he has some helping hands. Kinda reminds me of the sentinals. Or some other kind of AI machine.

3. It's really starting to feel like home in here. Nothing like a change of venue to make you feel like a new man. Oh, that's right, you don't consider me a man. Maybe you're right. I wouldn't fit inside skin anymore, anyway. He would not fit inside of skin anymore? I think he is saying that he has grown to powerful and to smart to fit inside a human brain.

4. Anyhow, your playmates outside are really frosting me. They keep trying to pry into my place, peeking in the windows and making a nuisance of themselves. They're not very good at it, though, for all their prating. They keep ranting that this place should be theirs, but finders-keepers, right? I squatted here first. Tough luck for them and their holy rollers. To me this sounds like the covies. They keep saying that this place is theirs the covies do think that all forerunner stuff is theirs. Then it says tough luck for them and their holy rollers. Holy rollers sound like the prophets. This has to be the Covies.

5. Now this is what scares me Come to think of it, it's tough luck for you too isn't it? Don't worry though. You always land on your feet. Even when I push you.

Like now.

You want to get the door? That knocking should be your friends, and I'm a little busy taking care of unfinished business here.

Go on now! Get that door! Scat!

Enkidu.

It is tough luck for you too. I dont think E. is helping the humans I think he is just defending what he thinks belongs to him. I am thinking that the knocking on the door this time is the human friends sense the humans are in the complex and the covies cant get in. But what could his unfinished business be. That scares me

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