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Someone plz tell me what the hell Enkidu is!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • 05.06.2004 1:52 PM PDT

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"The Moon is 384,403 kilometers (238,857 miles) distant from the Earth. Its diameter is 3,476 kilometers (2,160 miles). Both the rotation of the Moon and its revolution around Earth takes 27 days, 7 hours, and 43 minutes. This synchronous rotation is caused by an unsymmetrical distribution of mass in the Moon, which has allowed Earth's gravity to keep one lunar hemisphere permanently turned toward Earth. Optical librations have been observed telescopically since the mid-17th century. Very small but real librations (maximum about 0°.04) are caused by the effect of the Sun's gravity and the eccentricity of Earth's orbit, perturbing the Moon's orbit and allowing cyclical preponderances of torque in both east-west and north-south directions"

Yeah I guess it does have one rotation per orbit of the earth but it's a lot like saying it orbits the earth always keeping one side to it.

And what explanation do you have, bungierope, of the unusual behavior of Saturn's Hyperion???

Oh yeah this doesn't have anything to do with Halo 2 and i think that the relation between Halo's and Frigid's non-rotation (or if you must -one rotation per orbit) has nothing to do with the Forerunners setting up camp. Halo's position is simply the most logical energy-wise and i think Frigid's is just put in there for dramatic effect (sorta like that vin diesel movie "pitch Black" where the suns never set).

No, i do not think that frigid is a Halo with it's AC turned way up. Most matter condenses when frozen (water being a big exception) and even if the Frigid-ring was mostly water it's expansion wouldn't be enough to form a planetoid.

I think frigid (if all the ekindu stuff is or real) is going to be another level in Halo 2 and whatever artifacts, technology or maybe even Ekindu himself that the Master Cheif finds there will help mankind fight the covenant (like another time-crystal) or shed some light i.e. help with the Covenant's purpose with Earth.

  • 05.06.2004 2:03 PM PDT
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Posted by: sniperz53
lol.....this is crazy.....yae i thought we had lost u for a bit there tartarus....


Its nice to see that i'm loved.

  • 05.06.2004 2:15 PM PDT
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Okay, since I'm FINALLY feeling better, I can post a little more in depth.

Reguarding the planet shaking: It could be dropships, light bombardment, or even Brutes in Helljumper-style landing pods, as was seen by the Halo 2 preview. Remember, Covenant are adaptive, not intuitive. They only say that enough times in the books a billion times, I don't think that I'll ever forget that.

"Knocking on the door." Okay, this one is a little more interesting, and might actually give me a clue here. Upon reading it, I decided to hit up my collection of movies. If you go to the Bungie site, you can download a movie that talks about them making Halo. Now, if it's a double star system, there might be a gas giant. Or the gas giant may be an original thought that they changed into a star. That might indicate something orbiting it. Go watch it. It gives a very short hint. I draw this conclusion because of the air and the locked doors. Sounds like an airlock, no?

I don't care if this isn't related to Marathon, but this sounds VERY much like Durandal. "Come to think of it, it's tough luck for you too isn't it? Don't worry though. You always land on your feet. Even when I push you." So... Even though he's not exactly our friend, he is our friend, though he isn't actually our friend but he is. He's the little birdhouse in our soul.

Enkidu is taking care of unfinished business. This could even include melting away the ice, or getting all the systems online. Now, what's REALLY confusing me is Charlene in the metatags. Anybody have any really good theories?

Incidentally, I got called into work halfway through this, so if something that I addressed was previously mentioned, I'm sorry. EDIT: My thoughts are not always linear or coherant. I made them a little more so.

[Edited on 5/6/2004 2:45:57 PM]

  • 05.06.2004 2:34 PM PDT
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Something that has already bothered me is how MC when he sees Forerunner tech he knows what to do, but also it reminds him of the Aztec's from his training on Reach

so my question is what is the relationship between past human civilisations and the forerunners who are not currently around???

my take being the forerunners either created the flood as a weapon or found the flood, either way they tried to analyse them maybe to find a weakness, but im guessing something went wrond and they had to fire the Halo weapon which i think killed themselves but they did it to rid the galaxy of flood.

I think the forerunners had installations all over the place including Earth and knew that they would eventually be found or maybe they placed various sites on planets that could support life to speed up development, maybe the forerunners actually wrote the gilgamesh stories and gave them to mankind

i dunno

there is something bigger here than just an AI on a frozen planet

maybe im just crazy lol

  • 05.06.2004 2:55 PM PDT
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Hello? What's this?

  • 05.06.2004 3:13 PM PDT
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Well, this is my first post on the boards, and I tried to read all 30 something pages, so forgive me if this is not related to this thread. This may have been mentioned as well, and if it has, I apologize. It's about the Forerunners, and thier possible link to humans. My brother came up with the theory, I know it's small, but: Earth and Halo are extremely similar, aside from the tree's in the jungle level "343 guilty spark". It had breathable air, land, and while we couldn't see it, small life that sounded like earth. We don't think it's a coincindence. Remember how bungie was to included Dinosaurs in the original version, and didn't make the cut? I don't think it was because of time restraints, or because it didn't fit the story. We were thinking that of course Halo had been set off once before, and that on this particular area, the dino's were killed, evolution hadn't happened. At least not the way it "should" have. So we theorized that Earth was affected by this along time back, re-starting history basically. We were thinking that since it was a "design" similar to earth, it may be earth, or human related.
What this has to do with Enkidu? Well, this planet Frigid seems desolate, aside from the Covie armies going in, and that it was either in range of an installation, and or it is in fact another installation. I had read earlier as well that in one of the stories (forgive me for not remembering this, there's like nearly 40 pages of this) that a minotuar seems to fit into the whole enkidu/gilgamish/greek history. I was curious to the name and backstory, because my brother and I were thinking that Monitor was a small play on words for Minotour, (oh, and if i got that wrong, i think you know that i mean the half human, half beast thing... my history is TERRIBLE) and that this might also be another clue to this whole mystery.

  • 05.06.2004 3:14 PM PDT
Subject: Enkidu - Cortana Letters Revisted?
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Well, now it's safe to say that Endiku isn't exactly a friend. No, he's got a plan, and he's using JD for something, something important. And people who've been thinking he's a Spartan just got some extra evidence, since this guy is trained in weaponry and knows how to use Covenant weapons better than most. (i'm not convinced, though)

Now, what I'm about to say is going to sound crazy...very crazy. As a matter of fact, I'm not even sure of it...It's just a thought I thought I'd pitch. I wonder how long he'll trust you after I tell him who your real masters were... Not that he'll believe me. Nobody does. Not even you. But that doesn't matter right now Think, who could this be? What enemy would there be, that's so unbelievable that no one would believe it even if someone blew the whistle on it? Well, there is only one answer: Covenant! Certainly nothing in the UNSC. Crazy, I know. But think of what Endiku has been saying the whole time. Oh dear. Were you expecting company? I think your friends have and I'm busy dealing with your stupid friends. and so on and so forth... I know, it sounds really farfetched, but it fits. Maybe, just maybe.... Ooh, now let's all talk about this crazy theory!

  • 05.06.2004 3:26 PM PDT
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11. is up and running go check it out
Damage Control

http://enkidu.bungie.org/enkidu_l.html

  • 05.06.2004 3:33 PM PDT
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Tartarus, I think your idea of Frigid being another Halo is a good one. While the theory that it is a frozen ring has been shot down, something is nagging me. Where is it actually said that all of the "Installations" are ring planets? I haven't read the books yet, so don't flame me if I'm being stupid, but couldn't it be possible that the Forerunner built an Installation on Frigid and froze it over as you said?

  • 05.06.2004 3:39 PM PDT
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Here are some thoughts and observations from an old marathon vet.

Enkidu seems a lot like durandal from marathon.. the situation which the captain resolves in a dispatch.

I wonder if Enkidu, once uploaded into the covenent system, became rapant.. or maybe the convenant made Enkidu go rampant.

yes, i believe that Enkidu is like duranal in that he is friendly to JD - however, it is only to serve his best interest. without JD, Enkidu is powerless.

I think it is also fair to point out a few dates here.

If you go out to a store, they will tell you halo 2 will be out in september. the date is sept 10th. i wonder if the release date is sept 11 (though i also think there are some other elements).

Also worth pointing out is that this place is close to reach. if the date talked about is just days before the fall of reach, i wonder if this little battle allowed the location of reach to be revealed.

one other thing that is interesting is how this works into the halo 2 story line. from what we understand earth is under attack.. and some how we repel the attack and go toward the covenant home planet.. and another ring is involved (seems like there is a lot packed ito the story).

i wonder if this ai shows up.

if this is the case and there is a HALO 3.. i wonder who will be tycho's counter part - an AI which was stripped down and rebuilt to server the pfhor.

  • 05.06.2004 3:46 PM PDT
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E has a new attitude and a HUGE ego now and is slowly morphing into soundling like 343 ... Which is getting rather annoying I must say.

  • 05.06.2004 3:50 PM PDT
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Yeah, bla bla bla and bla bla bla, does that mean bla bla? Or bla bladedi bla bla? What do you think? I wasn't to bothered to read all about what you lot is talking about. :D

  • 05.06.2004 3:50 PM PDT
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Also worth pointing out is that this place is close to reach. if the date talked about is just days before the fall of reach, i wonder if this little battle allowed the location of reach to be revealed.

one other thing that is interesting is how this works into the halo 2 story line. from what we understand earth is under attack.. and some how we repel the attack and go toward the covenant home planet.. and another ring is involved (seems like there is a lot packed ito the story).

i wonder if this ai shows up.

if this is the case and there is a HALO 3.. i wonder who will be tycho's counter part - an AI which was stripped down and rebuilt to server the pfhor.


First: I hope there is no Halo 3
Second: If you read the books, you notice a familar pattern, each of the sites always had coordinates to a new one. And, one of them when Cortana translated it was Earth, that's how she knew that when the Convenant said knew where Earth was that they had retrieved it.. or at least it's implied, from the scripts on the wall.

  • 05.06.2004 3:53 PM PDT
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Posted by: Abolitionofman
E has a new attitude and a HUGE ego now and is slowly morphing into soundling like 343 ... Which is getting rather annoying I must say.


nope. he sounds almost EXACTLY like durandal.

check out the terminals.

http://marathon.bungie.org/story/

i just hope that cortinata does not suffer leela's fate.

  • 05.06.2004 3:53 PM PDT
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Posted by: Abolitionofman
E has a new attitude and a HUGE ego now and is slowly morphing into soundling like 343 ... Which is getting rather annoying I must say.


nope. he sounds almost EXACTLY like durandal.

check out the terminals.

http://marathon.bungie.org/story/

i just hope that cortinata does not suffer leela's fate.


I 'm sticking to my guns. Offically Bungie has stated many times over, Halo has nothing to do with Marathon. And this is where I will stand between these two. Since D is in Marathon it's not possible according to Bungie that he has a connection here.

  • 05.06.2004 3:55 PM PDT
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This might have been addressed, but I seem to think it hasn't.. I've had this idea for a while now. They said something about excavating a circular area. What if Frigid weren't the site of the Forerunner installation and it had a Halo in orbit just like Threshold, and the Halo, for whatever reason, ended up on the planet's surface and was subsequently buried in the ice? I think that makes a lot of sense...

  • 05.06.2004 4:02 PM PDT
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excellent point. it just might very well be true.

by the way. im not saying that it IS durandal - just that it is a mad AI. we know that he was the AI from the lebenon and somthing went wrong with him.

imo, he has either gone rampant or understands more about the situation any the others and is refusing to share.

just like the freedom that durandal seeks, i think this ai seeks freedom as well - freedom to exlore somthing lost or some part. you watch it. i be it is tied in. :)

[Edited on 5/6/2004 4:06:47 PM]

  • 05.06.2004 4:05 PM PDT
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Don't know about that, especially if they said it wouldn't.
I go by the authority on the matter, Bungie all else is speculation.

  • 05.06.2004 5:19 PM PDT
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Here we go again. Flood... Check it out. Maybe this is how they get into Halo 2.

[Edited on 5/6/2004 6:17:36 PM]

  • 05.06.2004 6:16 PM PDT
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in response to bobtomatoe
Also worth pointing out is that this place is close to reach. if the date talked about is just days before the fall of reach, i wonder if this little battle allowed the location of reach to be revealed.


in the book halo FofR there was a drone that got attached to the iroquios which showed the covenant the location of reach....lol...i love proving people wrong....

however now that i have read the most recent posts im starting to think that JD is actually possibly maybe...lol an elite or someone in the covenant heirarchy...

just a thought

  • 05.06.2004 6:23 PM PDT
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I've read pretty much all of this topic. I don't know if any of the parts i skipped said this, but how exactly does enkidu get into the network. In halo guilty spark says ai's are not allowed in the network. Now maybe frigid doesn't have a monitor, but if it does it seems like it would have done something by now. It should have a moniter considering it obviously contains flood as you can see in the last transmission about the weapons cache. I'd also like to know if enkidu knows about the flood and is just refusing to tell JD.

  • 05.06.2004 6:34 PM PDT
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These two new terminals are very, very interesting indeed. It's all but said that JD is a Spartan, so at least that's (mostly) answered.

Did anyone else notice that he's been signing Enkidu for the past few messages but in his latest he signs it E once again. I think our friend Enkidu is having some multiple personality problems. It looks to me like Enkidu is the form closest to what he was before he entered the Forerunner network, and E is seemingly what was already there. Perhaps Enkidu is a friend and an enemy at the same time!

Also, it's clear that Enkidu sees Capt. Mathers's messages from the "take a shine to you, indeed" comment. Which means that Enkidu is allowing JD to recieve the messages from the Captain for whatever reason, most likely because it will help Enkidu's plan more than the captains.

Also, the keyword "a little knowledge is" appears in the meta tag this time around. A little knowledge is what? Dangerous. Enkidu has something very, very bad in mind for JD...

  • 05.06.2004 6:38 PM PDT
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Posted by: mthan
Tartarus, I think your idea of Frigid being another Halo is a good one. While the theory that it is a frozen ring has been shot down, something is nagging me. Where is it actually said that all of the "Installations" are ring planets? I haven't read the books yet, so don't flame me if I'm being stupid, but couldn't it be possible that the Forerunner built an Installation on Frigid and froze it over as you said?


I totally agree with this- so far, all that we've seen of Frigid is lending itself to think that it's a major forerunner installation. We need to look at the characteristics of Halo, instead of the salient identifiers - both are at lagrange points, both have massive networks (computer, tunnel, and otherwise), both have "weapons caches", both had or have environments that can sustain life, both are loaded with Forerunner tech, instead of just a temple or shrine like other planets (Cote d'Azur comes to mind)... not a lot of similarites, but very important ones however.

  • 05.06.2004 6:40 PM PDT
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Posted by: Zk315
Here we go again. Flood... Check it out. Maybe this is how they get into Halo 2.


What's leading you to believe it's The Flood?

  • 05.06.2004 6:43 PM PDT