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Subject: Enkidu - Cortana Letters Revisted?
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Oh it loks like im a tad late. Oh well it was like by 30 seconds.

Edit: Hey I got the thousandth post!

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  • 05.07.2004 6:19 PM PDT
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there are a lot of connections in the first "transmission", just one of which being a refrence to spartans and even MC armor(I forget the Accronim right now. It's all on the HBO forums, I will find them if I can and post a link.

  • 05.07.2004 6:20 PM PDT
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Yep Major, I thought I found them first too. Lol

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  • 05.07.2004 6:20 PM PDT
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Here's the source code for this terminal.

<meta name="generator" content="uh_blush_nothing">
<meta name="keywords" content="Marathon, Halo, Bungie, Enkidu, fanfic, rampant AI, adolescence, Louis XV quote">

I don't know what adolescence or a Louis XV quote that relates to this. I searced on Google for Louis XV quotes, but I couldn't see how it related. It goes like this.

"The marquise has a disagreeable day for her journey."
- while looking at Mme. De Pompadour's Funeral
Anyone make sense of this?

  • 05.07.2004 6:23 PM PDT
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LOL yeah we all have our glorious moments that are mercilesly killed. Looks like they finally found the Flood. Either that or Enkidu has been hiding pornos.

  • 05.07.2004 6:27 PM PDT
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Hey mthan how do you find the source code? I just want to know so dont flame me.

  • 05.07.2004 6:29 PM PDT
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I first thought that maybe the weapons cache was the flood, or some other species. Like in Halo where Cortana says that the weapons cache isnt a weapons cache, then when you get there the flood come after you. Also in "Shhh! Inside Voices, Please..." Cpt. Mathers says to JD that he has to get to the control panel to access the Cache, so is this like the Control Room on Halo?

In "What are you doing in there?" It sounds like that they are releasing the Flood and though Enkidu is trying to warn them about it they are not listening to him. I also think Enkidu is/and a Forerunner AI or is just a Rampant Human AI that knows all about what the Forerunner have on Frigid, because he definetly does not want to give full support to JD and the rest of the Humans.

I also find it weird that he changes between personalitys alot, he acts like a all powerfull being that is bossy than acts like a big brother telling a younger sibling to stay out of his stuff ("What are you doing in there?")

I believe that it is either Flood or another dangerous alien Species that Enkidu does not want them to release, or maybe its just info He dosent want them to see.

I dont know, I am just throwing around Ideas, tell me what you think?

  • 05.07.2004 6:32 PM PDT
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I swung by HBO earlier tonight to see where the update would be, this caught my eye:
It's funny when the answer is right under your nose. I was just checking to see if there had been any new activity on the main page, when I realized that the "chapters" are allusions to the stages of Rampancy.

Waking Up Is Hard To Do: The 1st stage is known as Melancholia, and as I'm sure we all know it's rather hard to get out of bed when you are feeling down.

Appetite for Destruction: As well as being the GnR album...this chapter clearly correlates to Rage, the 2nd stage of Rampancy.

If the trasmissions go on long enough, don't be surprised if there is a 3rd "chapter". A metaphor for Envy.

In fact let's not refer to them as chapters...stages now seems far more appropriate
That explains stuff... Your thoughts?

  • 05.07.2004 6:33 PM PDT
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STICKY THIS THREAD!! SHEESH 41 PAGES AND IT IS STILL NOT A STICKY!!
Well, personally i think Enkidu was keeping tabs on Cortana and John, because of Damage Control, where he says about the covenant weapons, that is what cortana did, and also he was talking about MC, but then that is wrong because.. ugh.. ugh.. conFUSED!!
anyways, i am thinking that.. Maybe this JD is a spartan(old spec i know) and has found an AI that said he'd help him defeat Enkidu, because Enkidu is evil(rampant) now. So maybe Damage Control is doing that. Also, could Enkidu's "spiffy new repair drones* be the sentinels? Because that was thier primary purpose, fixing things, that is why they had the lasers, cutting metal and repairing things.

Good thing you're kicking up such a ruckus down there. Otherwise we'd never have found where you are.

Does this mean that JD is in the tunnels?

TELL THEM TO GET OUT OF THAT DRAWER! Tell them there's dangerous stuff in there. No, you can't play with what's inside. I know you guys like flashy toys and loud noises, but these are most certainly NOT what you were looking for.

NO! DON'T GO IN THERE!
NO!!!!


Guess what? THE FLOOD HAVE BEEN FOUND!! Everything about this is metaphoric, everything.. wow

[Edited on 5/7/2004 6:40:41 PM]

  • 05.07.2004 6:38 PM PDT
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Do you think #13 could be the installations original A.I talking to the Enkidu that still has some control over itself as it sounds as if it has been there for a while or looks after the place like a Moniter, e.g:

"You can't go poking around in there. Those files aren't for you, anyway. They're for grown-ups. You wouldn't understand what they're for, you're too little. Why can't you just leave "MY" stuff alone?"

and...

"Even worse, you bring your stupid friends over and they go around wrecking my place. It's not like it needs any help going to pot! This place is really old, you know. There are antiques all over the place and they need to be treated with respect. And you and your buddies go around kicking holes all over the place with your horseplay. I should just get rid of all of you and get a little peace and quiet for a change."

What do you think?


  • 05.07.2004 6:39 PM PDT
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mmmmmmmm........

Your theory sounds pretty good. but hasnt there been other terminals like this when he considers frigid his own? Like he just moved in?

Your theory is good, but just not very good evidence. Sorry.

  • 05.07.2004 6:43 PM PDT
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OK, Major. It is simple. All you do is go to the page, right click on a spot. And go to View Source. And BAM, there it is.
Posted by: Major Silva
Hey mthan how do you find the source code? I just want to know so dont flame me.

  • 05.07.2004 6:45 PM PDT
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I think Enkidu got fused witha montior a little.
Also, did anyone else notice that the What are you doing in there? is pretty much the same time as the main page. This leads me to believe that the message is directed to JD or whomever is accessing these files.
Also, on this time, im not sure, because in FS there are time anomolies for a lot of chapters, so it is hard to tell, but i think that Enkidu was watching Cortana with the weapons power thing too. In the book it says September 23, but that is estimated. Soon, yyou learn that the date is about September 12, the day of this stuff. And if u dont know this is first strike, about Chapter 27/28
I think Enkidu is talking to himself, while monitoring the Gettysburg - Ascendent Justice
I think that's the first half of the message, and the second is to JD

Also, in anyone want to speculate with me, my AIM Sn is DarKNecross

[Edited on 5/7/2004 6:54:01 PM]

  • 05.07.2004 6:50 PM PDT
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Don't forget - one of the theories (the most convincing in my opinion) that explains him viewing Frigid as home is that the Forerunner AI took him over. After all, another Monitor would deafinantly view the instalation as home. And since the new terminal fits that theory perfectly, I'd say that's just more proof that he was taken over. After all, why would Enkidu care about 'antiques' in his original (sane) form? Oh, and just for fun, I thought I'd throw in a fact - anything over 75 years old that is of value is considered an antique. :D

  • 05.07.2004 6:53 PM PDT
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Like my rich great-aunt =D
We call he Aunt Tique =D
(J/K)

  • 05.07.2004 6:55 PM PDT
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Posted by: DarKNecross
Like my rich great-aunt =D
We call he Aunt Tique =D
(J/K)



LMAO!

  • 05.07.2004 7:00 PM PDT
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Taurtarus sp? sry, somebody should make a complete summary, and start a new thread. Nobody is going to read through all of these pages.

  • 05.07.2004 7:04 PM PDT
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Hear ye! Hear ye! Of course, I'm too lazy, so I'll leave it up to someone else. ;-)

  • 05.07.2004 7:08 PM PDT
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Nah, we're aiming for the longest thread ever. So keep discussing. People have been keeping up with it fine.

  • 05.07.2004 7:12 PM PDT

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Posted by: Bring the Noise
Taurtarus sp? sry, somebody should make a complete summary, and start a new thread. Nobody is going to read through all of these pages.


No need. Red Loser over on HBO has started a good summary of terminals in this thread:

http://carnage.bungie.org/haloforum/halo.forum.pl?read=420498

Narcogen over at rampancy.net has mirrored it here:

http://rampancy.net/enkidusummary

As far as the speculation here... how in heck could we summarise all that?

(It's a little behind... I think Red Loser is finishing exams.)

  • 05.07.2004 7:44 PM PDT
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YO! Noise. thanks for the shove when they called for volunteers, but let Red Loser do all the work. besides, i think hes done a better job than I could ever do.

I'll add clickable urls to Anton P Nyms post of the links. that way I atleast did something to contribute. Here:

http://carnage.bungie.org/haloforum/halo.forum.pl?read=420498

and here:

http://rampancy.net/enkidusummary

  • 05.07.2004 8:33 PM PDT
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With all this ruckus surrounding Enkidu, I decided
to take a look back at the Cortana Letters and
attempt to make connections between the two.

To begin with, Cortana quotes William Blake's
The Marriage of Heaven and Hell. In it, he
argues that for good to exist, evil must exist.
It's hard to explain, but if you think you just
might get it.

I looked at the first Cortana Letter unassuming
that this was really her speaking, because it
is impossible for her to have been all of these
places. (Or is it?)

"I have walked the edge of the Abyss."
The abyss is hell, but I think this could have
many more allegorical meanings.

"I have governed the unwilling."
Blake argues that those who restrain sin only
do so because they desire less. In the halo
verse, the Covenant claim that they don't
sin. (see the Halo Transmissions on the
Marathon Story Page) They no doubt refer
to the Forerunner as their gods, but the way
they speak to us would suggest that humans
have sinned against the Forerunner.
Blake also asserts that the "restrainer" (or
fear of desire) governs the unwilling. The
Covenant are helplessly bound to the will
of their Gods, and the Humans resist.
Who are the "unwilling" that "Cortana"
governs? I would say the Covenant are the
unwilling because they desire to be free
of the Forerunner less, and shame the
humans for their "sin." This wouldn't make
any sense coming from the Cortana we know
however, because how could she govern the
Covenant?

"I have witnessed countless empires break
before me. I have seen the most courageous
soldiers fall away in fear."
Your guess is as good as mine.

"[I was there with the Angel at the tomb]"
Swedenborg was the Angel at the tomb in
Blake's The Marriage of Heaven and Hell.
Swedenborg did philosophical work on
basically Infinity, and what it is. It goes far
too in depth for the kind of analysis I have
time for, but as we all know, A.I.s have a
knack for that Infinity thing.

As for connections to Enkidu, both of their
stories are about fighting against the creator
and tradition. Enkidu rewrites the story by
saying that Gilgamesh never stood up to the
will of the gods, and Enkidu wept, meaning
that he was sorry that he couldn't use the
strength of Gilgamesh to challenge the Gods.
It seems that Enkidu has found new muscle
in the form of JD, and intends to challenge
the might of the gods again.

  • 05.07.2004 8:51 PM PDT
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Posted by: Tartarus
YO! Noise. thanks for the shove when they called for volunteers, but let Red Loser do all the work. besides, i think hes done a better job than I could ever do.

I'll add clickable urls to Anton P Nyms post of the links. that way I atleast did something to contribute. Here:

http://carnage.bungie .org/haloforum/halo.forum.pl?read=420498[/url ]

and here:

[url]http://rampancy.net/enkidusummary




LoL np, I only pushed cuz I'm too lazy to do it myself =) I read Red Loser's posts over the last few days, did he write another update today? If so I'll start a thread and post the link to the summary in full, and we can start over from there as to eliminate some pages.

[Edited on 5/7/2004 9:36:40 PM]

  • 05.07.2004 9:35 PM PDT
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Posted by: Bring the Noise
Posted by: Tartarus
YO! Noise. thanks for the shove when they called for volunteers, but let Red Loser do all the work. besides, i think hes done a better job than I could ever do.

I'll add clickable urls to Anton P Nyms post of the links. that way I atleast did something to contribute. Here:

http://carnage.bungie .org/haloforum/halo.forum.pl?read=420498[/url ]

and here:

[url]http://rampancy.net/enkidusummary




LoL np, I only pushed cuz I'm too lazy to do it myself =) I read Red Loser's posts over the last few days, did he write another update today? If so I'll start a thread and post the link to the summary in full, and we can start over from there as to eliminate some pages.


LOL. No I don't think that he updated his summaries. You know its exam time and I think like someone pointed out, hes busy. I know I am

  • 05.07.2004 9:54 PM PDT
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Beautiful write up there eMCee. You have a knack for translation. I however have always fancied William Blake's The Fly over all of his other work.

I also like that you are looking for connections between the Cortana Letters and Enkidu messages. Definately they are being exposed more and more with each passing day. We have already discussed them many times before here.

Anyways, the only thing that I question (and not because i think you got anything wrong) is what are the sins that the Humans have made? You didn't really go into detail in this area of your translation, but it got me thinking.

When the Covenant come onto the scene its almost like they already had a prior vendetta against human kind, though we knew not of them. In this I mean, its like they knew they already hated us. the Covenant almost seemed (in addition to securing forerunner artifacts) that their mission is to kill all humans in the universe. Why is this? Why do they actual hate us so much to the point of genocide? What in their eyes are our sins?

The only motive that I can think of is that they know something about us that we don't. something that does not agree with their religon. something that contradicts the fundamentals of their society. What this exact something is, is a mystery, but for them to continue to exsist and meet their goals, they must destroy. Humans for some reason challenge these goals.

Any ideas on this please bring em forward. Is there a connection to the other human "lost colony" worlds mentioned in the #5 Cortana letter? Take a look back a few pages for another write up i did on this connection.

[Edited on 5/7/2004 10:21:40 PM]

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