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Posted by: Bring the Noise


No, that is not the Forerunner's style. They are perfect about everything. No reason to have the installations different. The halo contained the flood, it was a weapon. I don't think this planet could be the same kind of weapon. Especially with such a different design. That is the main reason I don't believe the Flood are here. Without 1 Installation firing, the others will not know there is trouble and the flood could escape. I think Frigid contains something different entirely.


And who are you to say that you know the Forerunner inside and out? I'm sorry but that statement is completely arrogant. Haven't you seen any of the new articles that show some of the new Forerunner installations? There's even one on Earth mind you. And as for it not being flood, yeah, it'd probably be a lil repatitious if that was the ONLY other thing in the game. My thinking is perhaps we'll see them for like one level or part of one level, and then we'll run into the Forerunner and they'll know how to get rid of them really effectively (without killing off their food). However, I do agree that Frigid holds more than the Flood. Something mysterious lurks in the depths of those tunnels...

  • 05.09.2004 6:19 AM PDT
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Posted by: Bring the Noise
Right, except you have absolutely no reason that the Flood would be anywhere except a Halo installation. Not just because. There has to be a reason. I think it has more to do with the Forerunners than the Flood. It wouldn't make sense if there were Flood here.


We have absolutely no reason the Flood WOULDN'T be there! You assume to know too much.

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don't let this thread deteriorate into a flame war...

There are posts as too why the Flood might be there, and why they might not be. I think we'll have to wait to see, we should be getting another terminal pretty soon.

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Ok, who said that Frigid can't be a weapon? Just because its a planet doesn't mean they can't put Halo's huge destructive force on it. In fact it could be even MORE destructive than Halo itself! And you guys are too hung up on the ring worlds. Just because there are other installations doesn't mean they all have to be the same. There's no reason for it. As for Flood on Frigid, firstly, everything in the panels points to it. Secondly, maybe Frigid is doing different experiments with them than Halo was? Or perhaps there was an outbreak there and they just contained it and kept them alive for curiositiy's sake?

As for Flood possibly landing on Frigid on their own, unlikely. They wouldn't have sealed themselves in if they did. And obviously the facility on Frigid isn't easily escapable.
1. Until the humans and Covies landed there, it was still sealed off.
2. Its a reasonably safe area. Who would want to take a trip to an ice world anyway? As opposed to a ring world. Lets see, we can land on that nice, climate controlled ringworld, ooooorrrr, the planet full of cold and ice. hmmmm.... And until the humans and covies landed, once again, so what if they escaped the facility? They still didn't have any food down there, and no way to get off the planet. Sounds pretty ideal for containment of the flood to me. But the Flood definitely aren't the only thing in that Facility. Somethin more down there besides Covies n Flood.

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Yeah, does anyone know if theres like a set amount of time between the appearances of the panels? Every few hours/days/whatever?

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we seem to get one per day on average... and working off forum time they seem to appear 6-10AM or 4-8PM... that's pretty rough though.

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I don't know if anyone mentioned this, but
have you guys ever noticed some slight
differences on Assault on the Control Room
and Two Betrayals? It seems like the snow
is melting, and the Flood are adapting the
atmosphere to their liking. On Halo, the
Flood were stored in a swampy area, not
a frozen one.
The terminals abosolutely scream flood at
you, but if you think about other things, it
just doesn't seem to work.

EDIT: I'm looking at this objectively, so I
still believe it could be the Flood. I'm merely
trying to see both sides.

[Edited on 5/9/2004 8:42:31 AM]

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I guess I never noticed that......tempted to go back and look now, heheh. But I'll trust your judgement. 343 GS did complement the MC on his armor because it would protect him when the flood started changing the atmosphere. Anywayz, the latest terminal puts the date for the latest events after the destruction of Halo. The last date listed was 9/13/2552, which is about when the MC and other Spartans were causing havoc on board the Covenant space station. Now, the first listed prologue data is dated 8/25/2552, which is about 5 days before the battle of reach. Just thought I'd add that for some perspective.

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ok i have a question if the flood are infected beings (not just humens) well then someone or something had to create it, rite. and if it was born on halo, then how did they make it to a wepon to destroy the flood, so the flood had to be created on a different planet, so there could be more flood. rite?

  • 05.09.2004 8:46 AM PDT
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My friend Alex was attempting to view the Enkidu Terminals from the original server by looking at something called DMS. He managed to find a CNAME Record from enkidu.bungie.org; in other words, Bungie created this site and it is part of the enkidu terminals. The site is http://epiphyte.smallbits.com

It seems awfully pointless to pay for off-site hosting unless it has some significance...

  • 05.09.2004 9:10 AM PDT
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There's a new terminal up and unfortunately... it's the flood. I'm wholly disappointed in the author for not having anything original...

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One thing that stands out in the latest transmission is that Capt Mathers states "..."weapons cache" seemed to have been cadaver storage for the victims of some sort of adaptive parasite..." If there were already cadavers in there, could they possibly be Forerunner? That would be an interesting development...also another note- in Starhammer (the book where Bungie sorta got the Flood idea) there was a really big robot thing that burned up the Vang (flood) i wonder if this will show up at all in Halo 2, or maybe the "tremors" moght be caused by this big robot...

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Posted by: Abolitionofman
There's a new terminal up and unfortunately... it's the flood. I'm wholly disappointed in the author for not having anything original...

I agree... *shakes head* I am beginning to think this is all just a fan fiction now... for it is giving off way too much information to be Bungie... ah well it was fun while it lasted guys. For all it's worth it was nice going on theory rants and such as we did. I have to give this guy who wrote it some credit though, had most of us into the story (I still am somewhat... but the mystery, suspense and curiosity just isn't there).

Well... I guess there realy isnt much left to discuss... except that those tremors are still going on and they have no idea what it is, and the the simple fact Enkidu didnt intercept Cpt. Marthers last transmission, oh, and how and why the Flood "victims" were put on Frigid. What am I talking about...even if I am very, uterly disapointed on this latest turn of events, and that this may not be a Bungie message anymore or a huge conspiracy type thing... but there's still plenty to discuss. If this isn't official than many of our theory's might still be alive. I bet that gave yall some hope didn't it. Anyways I gotta go eat some KD...

Happy Huntin guys

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Posted by: Bring the Noise


No, that is not the Forerunner's style. They are perfect about everything. No reason to have the installations different. The halo contained the flood, it was a weapon. I don't think this planet could be the same kind of weapon. Especially with such a different design. That is the main reason I don't believe the Flood are here. Without 1 Installation firing, the others will not know there is trouble and the flood could escape. I think Frigid contains something different entirely.


And who are you to say that you know the Forerunner inside and out? I'm sorry but that statement is completely arrogant. Haven't you seen any of the new articles that show some of the new Forerunner installations? There's even one on Earth mind you. And as for it not being flood, yeah, it'd probably be a lil repatitious if that was the ONLY other thing in the game. My thinking is perhaps we'll see them for like one level or part of one level, and then we'll run into the Forerunner and they'll know how to get rid of them really effectively (without killing off their food). However, I do agree that Frigid holds more than the Flood. Something mysterious lurks in the depths of those tunnels...



Don't get smart with me, smart doesn't fit you. Those other Forerunner STRUCTURES are not installations. Halo was an installation. How do I know so much about them? Well first I pay attention, then I use common sense, while you do neither.

[Edited on 5/9/2004 9:47:46 AM]

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Yes, I must agree, the Flood have been found. Although not it may not be the Flood. Sure there is a 95% chance that it is there might be some hope still. Oh and something else: This installation has stored victims of the Flood, while(correct me if im wrong) Halo stored the Infection Forms. Maybe the infected cadavers are Forerunner? Heres a short analysis but i think im just stating the obvious. And it doesnt look like anyone cares anyway:

Threshing machine: Halo translated from Ancient Greek(I think) means threshing floor.

Flying weapons platform: Obvious to whoever has at least five brain cells and five minutes of Halo time, The Sentinels.

Red glyphs: Also seen on Halo on the level 343 Guilty Spark. We may be getting somewhere with this one folks.

Freakish zombies: Duh Flood.

Thats pretty much all important that I could find except for the source code wich is: title>You Can Check Out Anytime You Like</title>
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1">
<meta name="generator" content="ff512_forum_template">
<meta name="keywords" content="Marathon, Halo, Bungie, Enkidu, fanfic, and curst be he that moves my bones, responsibility, recon and intelligence">
<link rel="Stylesheet" href="./includes/e.css" type="text/css">
Curst be he that moves my bones has something to do with Shakespeare but apart from that im clueless. Or perhaps just a tad disappointed.


[Edited on 5/9/2004 10:21:01 AM]

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Now that I'm nice and full I can take a shot at this. First topic... how and why the flood "victims" were put on Frigid
1. My first theory is that the Forerunner had always inhabbited planets to complete their studies on their experiments or creations. Lets face it no one is born with technolgy or the geneus to buil a hude round planet like structure complete with atmosphere, crazy parasites, and the ability to ahnillate everything in this god give universe. So naturally the Forerunner started out with small technological advances and obtained space travel. So with this new ability they set out across hte galaxy doing their little experiments left, right and center. They would pick desolate planets with no current inhabitants and choose the suitable enviroments. They would build large undergound tunnel systems and labratories and they eventually created the Flood. They got loose (that's always that story) so the Forerunner locked down and left the planet with the Flood slowly dying on this planet. But as their technology grew they created their Ring Worlds to hold their specimens in. Since they could build whatever climate, atmosphere and landscape they felt fit for the experiments. Then they went all the way back to Frigid to meet their old friends the Flood and whipped them away to their new hummble home Halo 04 all except for a few that evaded their sensors and housed themselves inside the planter Frigid and waited all those years...
This would explain why the Forerunnr called Halo a "fortress" world because they knew what the Flood could do, so they wanted to keep anyone off Halo but also keep the Flood in as well. But it was (puts on Agent Smth accent) inevitable that the very presistent Flood escaped yet again, so the Forerunner, learning from their first mistake, made a fail safe that would wipe out the entire universe of "scentient" life. Which kept the Flood on Halo for the rest of time, until 2552 when curiousity killed the cat (the cat being Cpt. Keyes and the whole lote of the dumbass humans that we all really are)

2)The Forerunner first made Halo as the fourth of many of their "fortress" worlds, to create, study, and to experiment on the Flood. As always they escaped captivity stole a ship and flew to some desolate planet (in this case Frigid) and crash landed. So the Forerunner trigged halo and did what it was there to do and wiped out all the "scentient" life. So the Forerunner followed the Floods trail and built a group of underground tunnel to store the boddies knowing the parasite would still survive, though dormat, so they confined them and locked them away and went on doing their dirty deeds.

3) This is a combination of the two... This one relies on the all of my first theory. The only difference is the Forerunner successfully gathered all of the Flood specimens and took them off to Halo insted of a select few evading the Forerunnr and staying benind. The next part is based soley on my second theory. The Flood get there, gets poked and proded by the Forerunner until they escape, steal a ship and are somehow drawn to Frigid and return to their first "home". The Forerunner trigger Halo but find it very interesting that the Flood were that drawn to their "home world" type planet, so the Forerunner a few specimens there while they take that rest back to Halo. Where the true Halo story unravels.

Wow... I never thought I would come back. Ah well we didn't come all this way for nothing now did we...

Oh one more thing about the subject Halo being activated 100000 some years ago. It was actually the fact the 343 GS had been alone for 101,217 local years. This means that the Forerunner had left Halo 101,217 local years ago. A local year is how long it take for a certian planit to complet an oribt once, completly. For example Mars' local year is 687 Earth days... thats practically double the length of a single Earth year. So for all we know 343 could of been alone for as little as 100 Earth years or as much as 900,000 Earth years, maybe even more, maybe even less... I guess we will never really know now... just thought I'd clear some of that up for you guys. Well I'm out...

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EDIT: Damn double post... it was a lousy system fart... Bungie's got gas!!!

[Edited on 5/9/2004 10:46:24 AM]

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Bob Bobkinson, i believe that you may have just given us an interesting bit of info. i looked at the page that you linked and read this: "Who are you? theres nothing here" upon further inspection (of the source code) it also says: "Go away now" in small, near white letters. this sounded like the kind of tone that Enkidu would use, therefore, the kind of tone that the author of the Enkidu terminals would use. i think that this is interesting, though, sadly, it is not as useful as i would have liked. could you give me the link to this utility? it sounds useful in cracking mysteries like this.

EDIT: more goodness. i searched for the word epiphyte and found this: http://www.hyperdictionary.com/dictionary/epiphyte. perhaps this has some significance to what Ekidnu is, or a metaphor for what he is doing? i remember faintly something like this earlier in the thread, but i believe that enough time has gone by to warrant a re-post.

[Edited on 5/9/2004 10:54:13 AM]

  • 05.09.2004 10:50 AM PDT
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Posted by: RED JELLYBEANS
Doesn’t she refer to the area as a weapons catch, same as halo right. Maybe that the Forerunner word for “containment area for dangerous galaxy destroying creatures” translates to “Weapon Catch” lol

2. Bungie likes to keep things fresh. Maybe the Forerunners were some type of zoo people (someone flame me for not using better wordage there). Maybe they liked to study and research dangerous species, it’s the only reason I can think off that they kept the flood around.


Unless, and I know I'm new so this idea may not be respected, the Flood themselves are a Forerunner weapon.

  • 05.09.2004 11:16 AM PDT
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Major Silva- very good work on the source code. The phrase that you found does have something to do with Shakespear. More imprtantly it has to do with a curse that was inscribed in a stone above his tomb:

Good friends for Jesus sake forebeare,
to digg the dust encloased heare,
bleste be ye man yt spares these stones,
And curst be he yt moves my bone


Which means:

Good friend for Jesus sake forbear
To dig the dust enclosed here!
Blest be the man that spares these stones,
And curst be he that moves my bones.


He wrote this one day when he knew we was dying ebcause it was a common practice to open graves in order to make room for new burials. They used to store the bones in the nearby charnel house. Whether or not Shakespeare composed the curse, it seems to have been effective--the charnel house has long since been torn down, but Shakespeare's bones have never been disturbed

In my opninion this relates to what happened in Terminal 13, 14 and 15... the release of the flood. The Forerunner (being forerunner) probably foresaw a different species or people unleashing the Flood once more...

[quote[Good friend for Jesus sake forbear[/quote]
Forebear- A person from who you are decended
In my opinoin "Jesus" would be the Forerunner, while the forebear would be the Flood.
So the Forerunner are stating that who lies here is a decendant (the Flood) this could also prove my theory about the Forerunner creating the Flood.
To dig the dust enclosed here!
This is just prelude and is stating basically "If you dig here!" or along the lines of that
Blest be the man that spares these stones
Now he is stating that whoever preserves and protects my remains (or whoever protects the secret of the Flood and doesnt not let them escape) shall be blessed.
And curst be he that moves my bones
Lastly he states that whoever disturbs this resting place (the Flood) you will be cursed. In the Enkidu case it means being zombified (yes I just made that up right now lol)

It seems this has more layers than i have anticipated. I know it's a big bumer how the latest actually turned out but I guess we gotta look for the bright side of things...
Cyas

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Shifty, I like your theories as to what and why the Flood are, but somethings don't sit with me well. In the Control Room with Cortana and Master Chief, Spark says something along the lines of, "when all the other Halo Installations fire, this galaxy will be quite devoid of life." To me, this says that when one Halo fires, all other Haloes in a certain range will fire as well. If such a thing happened, an entire galaxy could be rendered lifeless. So, when previous Halo firings are mentioned, it is my belief that these previous firings occurred in another galaxy, not this one.

So, if the Flood got out and the Forerunners needed to destroy them, it didn't happen here. Thus, the containment protocols for the Flood on Halo were never breached until the activities of the Master Chief. The Frigid population of Flood, therefore, are completely unrelated to the Halo population(s). Now, think for a moment as if you were the Forerunner in charge of building Halo. If it is meant to be a weapon and prison to contain the Flood, why give it the ecosystems it has on the surface? For study right? Why would the ecosystems be so varied? Because the Forerunners want to see how the Flood stand up to certain climates and varying levels of "biomass." If there is an engineered (augmented by the presence of cadavers) population of Flood on Frigid, they were put there because the Forerunners knew that the Flood could live there without risk of spreading. No other life forms exist on Frigid, so the Flood would not grow; the planet isn't exactly a tourist attraction so no one else would go there for fun and accidentally get the Flood off the planet; lastly, the environment does not kill the Flood and may in a way preserve them (like cryonics).

The Flood, by their nature, seem to be the squid-like facehugger guys. So, the addition of cadavers by the Forerunners to the population seems to be sign that they wanted "Warrior" forms of Flood preserved on Frigid. What kind of facility is locked down tight, in the middle of nowhere and contains (a) weapon(s) of mass destruction? Frigid is a weapon depot.

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Posted by: Bring the Noise
Don't get smart with me, smart doesn't fit you. Those other Forerunner STRUCTURES are not installations. Halo was an installation. How do I know so much about them? Well first I pay attention, then I use common sense, while you do neither.


Hey buddy, don't get personal with me, aight? Fact is you still have no proof that the Forerunner make everything the same. Furthermore, watch who you're calling stupid, the latest terminal confirms the presence of Flood on Frigid, which proves my thinking and the thinking of the other people here correct. Not saying that everyone else is dumb, but it makes me laugh when you call me stupid when you've been wrong about the Flood all along.

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Good points. Now the questions becomes this: Were the Flood the ONLY weapon in that installation? I look forward to finding out whats causing the tremors. This mystery isn't over yet.

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Noir... that is certianly another possibility... perhaps the Forerunner were looking for a way to make the Flood dormant for later use... in this case stick them in different ecosystems and see which of the lifeforms strive and which do not, therefore they could strand them on a planet with the same conditions and that is completely out of the way and had no risk of outside contact, since at the time Frigid was probably in the middle of nowhere, to the Forerunner anyway. What they couldnt have intisapated is the evolution of species such as us, humans, who later find the flood and unleash them
But one thing I'm unsure on your theory, is that if that Forerunner want to use the Flood as a weapon, as you said, why keep them on Halo and a risk to themselves as well as send the across the universe to some desolate planet that has no defence systems (well not to the magnitude of Halo anway) that would be able to withstand a major rebelion against the Forerunner by the Flood. Unless the the Forerunner had trained the Flood to not harm the Forerunner but only their enemies. That way they could train and engineer all the Flood they would want without having a risk of being infected. But if that's the case why not just trigger Halo and destroy their enemies (whoever they may be) with a single press of a button...
The possibilities are rather endless, your theory is very well thought out and they are making me think as well. I even agree with some of it :).
Though I must stay true to my theory(ies) lol as I'm sure you understand.
Well thats it for now but I'l be back to see what cookin a little later. Happy Huntin

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Yay! Mystery!

Alright, internal transport system? Tapped into it? Serious risk in operating it? Well, sounds to me like another teleportation grid.

Tore through our salvage team like a threshing machine? Well, any of you folks ever seen a threasing machine? Trust me, you don't want to see what one of those things could do to a person. I wonder why they still have them 500 years in the future. I thought we would've found a better way to farm by then.

There may yet be a suprise here. I never thought the mystery was what was in the forerunner structure, but rather, what the hell are the Covenant doing. That's what we need to find out.

Smallbits is just what Louis Wu uses to host Halo.bungie.org, so that's nothing new.

And the other possibility is that if the author is indeed Bungie, they're not setting us up for something new, just teasing us with an introduction for Halo 2. You know, leaving us with omens that no mattter how bad we think it is, it can get worse for humans.

And stop fighting you two. That's not going to get us anywhere. And no need to make comments on evolution vs. religion. Whether or not it happened in the game has no bearing on reality.

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