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Noise, I was kinda thinking the same thing, that this is the ship that Ackerson has all loaded up with his new Spartans.

Now, Abolitionofman... what is this that you heard about Cortana straping a bomb to the cheif's back? I am kinda skeptical of Cortana. She could be ready to run Wild. I don't trust her with all that Halo info inside of her, plus she has the index.

  • 04.28.2004 11:42 AM PDT
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In the movie that Bungie did with Microsoft Joe Staten mocks Jason for a scene 'that will go down in Bungie history because Cortana, in this display of betrayal, straps a bomb to MC's back and shoves him down a hole. Jason was going through a hard break up at the time, hehehehe'

  • 04.28.2004 12:05 PM PDT

It was a cold day near the southern base in Blood Gulch. Cortana and I were relaxing over a game of Go Fish, WHEN OUT OF NO WHERE 700 BANSHEES CAME FLYING IN!!! I GRABED MY SPARTAN LASER AND LET HELL REIGN DOWN UPON THEM. I HOPPED IN THE NEAREST WARTHOG AND TOLD CORTANA TO GET IN.

In the peom, is there any chance of it being written by the forerunners?

Several things suck as:
I was fabled before rings were. -- could this be they were the ones who created the rings, therefore were around before they were???
I was epic before demons rode in the dawn sky. --- they were around before spacetravel??
I was sentenced into darkness before Theseus found his foe. --- this one Im not sure about but could Thesues be one of their gods or something, the God who told them to kill the humans. The god may have "ordered" them to be killed?
I was killed before my home was scourged by western winds of war. they/he was killed before the human covie war?


all im gonna do for now. just a suggestion. It dosnt fit with the rest though. Why would the forerunners be on a human ship (unless they were human which is not likley, otherwise they would have known of the ring and flood already) Well just tryin to put in a lil.

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'all im gonna do for now. just a suggestion. It dosnt fit with the rest though. Why would the forerunners be on a human ship (unless they were human which is not likley, otherwise they would have known of the ring and flood already) Well just tryin to put in a lil.'

just because they traveled back in time doesnt mean they travelled back to the same time. i pity people who can't think in more than 4 dimensions, then again most people can't get a grasp on 3 dimensions...

read some Terry Pratchett books

  • 04.28.2004 12:23 PM PDT

It was a cold day near the southern base in Blood Gulch. Cortana and I were relaxing over a game of Go Fish, WHEN OUT OF NO WHERE 700 BANSHEES CAME FLYING IN!!! I GRABED MY SPARTAN LASER AND LET HELL REIGN DOWN UPON THEM. I HOPPED IN THE NEAREST WARTHOG AND TOLD CORTANA TO GET IN.

I dont get it. Was that an insult? A statement? If it was either it had NOTHING to do with the topic. Also, who ever said the forerunners travelled back in time? Wow your an odd one alright...

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Posted by: Abolitionofman
In the movie that Bungie did with Microsoft Joe Staten mocks Jason for a scene 'that will go down in Bungie history because Cortana, in this display of betrayal, straps a bomb to MC's back and shoves him down a hole. Jason was going through a hard break up at the time, hehehehe'



Joe Never said that. He said Miranda, not Cortana.

  • 04.28.2004 12:30 PM PDT
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Posted by: Tartarus
Noise, I was kinda thinking the same thing, that this is the ship that Ackerson has all loaded up with his new Spartans.



Yeah, now we need to tie it to the poem. I'm pretty sure Ackerson will play a key role in Halo 2. And perhaps this "new old" AI as well.

  • 04.28.2004 12:34 PM PDT

It was a cold day near the southern base in Blood Gulch. Cortana and I were relaxing over a game of Go Fish, WHEN OUT OF NO WHERE 700 BANSHEES CAME FLYING IN!!! I GRABED MY SPARTAN LASER AND LET HELL REIGN DOWN UPON THEM. I HOPPED IN THE NEAREST WARTHOG AND TOLD CORTANA TO GET IN.

look at this source code for the poem.

<html>
<head>
<title>please allow me to introduce myself</title>
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1">
<meta name="generator" content="my_own_sweet_self">
<meta name="keywords" content="Marathon, Halo, Bungie, Enkidu, fanfic, rampant AI, awakening, dysphoria, epic poetry, Gilgamesh, ASCII art, embedded allegory, eye spy">
<link rel="Stylesheet" href="http://enkidu.bungie.org/includes/e.css" type="text/css">
</head>
<body>

Note the 6th line down. Keywords content= Marathon, Halo, Bungie, and then we have our Fanfic... also Rampant AI... could this poem be a rampant AI? Also the Generator content, right above the keywords says my_own_sweet_self. Could that be the person who made its name for something and he thought this whole hoax (if thats what it is) was awsome so this was congratulating himself for it? Tell me what y'all think. Also I do think Ackerson will have a big role as well. In the First Strike book it states that his old AI was destroyed, so this could be his new AI. Wait his old AI wasnt totally erased. It said it was taking away something but not everything. I forgot what it wsa o could this have been his AI being restrod???


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Hmmm.... notice how Please Allow Me Introduce Myself is 3 days ahead of the newest terminal and the first original terminal... and how the terminal in question is at a different access terminal. Terminals dubbed General Quaters and Packing and Unpacking are located at Cryobay B Terminal Access <Port 3.141.5.92> and take place according to the date on August 18 2552, while the 'riddle' message "Please Allow Me Introduce Myself" takes place at Cryobay B Terminal Access <Port 3.141.5.93>t on the date of August 21 2552. Anyways just thought I'd point out that the little speach takes place after the latest terminal message (Damn you Bungie for you time paradox's!)
Well... unlike Please Allow Me Introdue Myself, I think that the newest message "Packing and Unpacking" is meant ot tell us what is happenind. And with the new info I think that it is in fact a AI writing these terminals. First not of evidence itat the very beginning the message says;
***Reciveing message from Enkidu***
Personally that sounds like a very good name for an AI. In fact his/her/it's speach is very adaptive to common human speech I think it is in fact a Smart AI. It could be a person's name never the less.
Captain Mathers wishes me to tell the crew, "Well done." The Covenant frigate has been destroyed.
It's relaying orders and boosting moral for the crew. This could be a human just as well though.
The Lebanon has taken more damage than we had hoped, however, and we can no longer enter Slipspace or use the main engine. Captain Mathers has initiated article 2 of the Cole Protocol and has ordered the crew to prepare to abandon the ship. Frigid is reachable but we do not have enough time to correct the Lebanon's trajectory with our available thrust.
IMO this explains that the crew of the Lebanon is abondoning ship while Captian Marthers is peforming a slingshot around a 'primary sun' to buy time to repair their thrusters (no Slipstream) to get on trajectory towads a planet, moon or even base named "Frigid". Another reason for me belive this is an AI is that they give information very technical, elaborate and a in-depth way. This still could be also be just a Human.
Captain Mathers is going to perform a slingshot around the primary sun. This will allow him and a skeleton crew enough time to refine the trajectory using our remaining thrusters and make what repairs they can. You can understand that this is risky.
Telling information, in rather technical and strong detail as before. Again could also be a human
In the meantime, you and your team have been ordered to finish reviving the remaining crew and to collect survival gear. You must finish evacuating the Lebanon no later than 12:23; the Pelicans' launch window closes then.
Giving orders again, with persise times such as any Smart AI does. But sadly this could be just a very by the book human.
Here, however, is the main reason why I think that this is infact an AI
As per Article 2, I am compacting myself in preparation for a hard transfer off-ship. I will be unavailable for much of the time until then.
If you read the books you know that the Cole Proticall Article 2 means that no AI, star charts or personel can be captured. I dont know bout you but I dont know how humans would "Compact themselves" and I'm not sure that star charts can socialize. Now maybe the AI is compacting itself for a hard transfer off ship VIA transportes (Maybe humans watched Star Trek in 2552) or perhaps even through a Spartan III Nueral Interface (what the Master Chief uses for Cortana to get into his mind though unlikely).

Thats it for me... for now anyways I might go into who i think the AI or "John/Jane Doe" is giving the information to. *cough* Spartan(s) *cough*. Anyways Happy Huntin




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Posted by: Bring the Noise
Posted by: Tartarus
Noise, I was kinda thinking the same thing, that this is the ship that Ackerson has all loaded up with his new Spartans.



Yeah, now we need to tie it to the poem. I'm pretty sure Ackerson will play a key role in Halo 2. And perhaps this "new old" AI as well.


the riddle is 343 GS talking. no doubt about that. his entry is seperate from the entries of Enkidu.
also, if 343gs is connected to this ship by some series of events and if this ship is carrying Akerson and a bunch of new and very similar spartans, what are the possibilites that can come out of this? 343gs already thought that he recognized the cheif for what ever reason. could he recognize the Ackerson spartans (if they do exsist) and try to get them to do his bidding?

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I'm not so sure that it is 343gs in the poem. It could very well be. I have a question for all of you marathon buffs (as I am not) Wasn't the Mjlinor cyborg a dead soldier from a past war of some sort? Perhaps the cyborg in Marathon is the chief, and it's him in the poem? I dunno I'm really high right now.

  • 04.28.2004 1:53 PM PDT
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it wasnt cortana who strapped the bomb it was some random chick named miranda

  • 04.28.2004 1:55 PM PDT
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Posted by: NEO 117
it wasnt cortana who strapped the bomb it was some random chick named miranda



Already been corrected man.

  • 04.28.2004 1:56 PM PDT
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Bungie has stated in the past that the harathon story and the halo story have no connection and do not over-lap each other. sure they reference each other at times but one does not have to do with the other. Not only that but if we look to marathon to explain things it just gets way too complicated. Just think halo if we are going to figure any of this stuff out.

  • 04.28.2004 1:59 PM PDT
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God go and ruin my fun =/


LoL

  • 04.28.2004 2:01 PM PDT
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January 30, 2004 (Warthog's Day)
The Master Chief emerged from his code. After seeing his dynamically lit realtime shadow, he went back for 9 more months of development.


Behold the power of the Originals, the Gods Axeone-Neurone.

Two questions to ponder.

Is Cortana the Gilgamesh to the Enkidu AI?
Is the MC the Gilgamesh to whoever is caring the Enkidu AI?

By that I mean are the two on the Lebanon the equals to Coratana and the MC. Could be that way if the AI and carrier were created by Akerson to be just that the equals.

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Posted by: Abolitionofman
So is Bungie implicating that cortana will turn on MC? (they mentioned in the making of Halo2 that cortana did strap a bomb to his back....)


that was just a rumor, Bungie wouldn't tell use anything major about the storyline, and btw Cortana isn't a real person, so how could she strap a bomb to his back?

  • 04.28.2004 2:58 PM PDT
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They didn't say Cortana, they said Miranda straped a bomb on the MC back. They also said that it got cut.

  • 04.28.2004 3:12 PM PDT

They want the 'Halo.' But I tell them: 'No! No Halo! For you, only the 'Frenzy'! The 'Frenzy' and maybe some 'Munch'

Assuming that Enkidu is a human AI, do think that it is a smart or dumb AI? I think that it is a smart AI. Any other views?

  • 04.28.2004 4:11 PM PDT
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other then the fact that the poem looks like 343GS how are we so sure it is him. there are afterall major problems with his implication in this affair.
in halo, if 343 had seen or been in contact with humans (as in this new terminal) why would he be so
interested in the "missing history" during the ?maw? level.
why woudl he ask about our weaponry and armor if he had been in contact with "regular" marines and or
the Spartan III (or whatever).
How would he get onto halo for us to meet him?
why woudl he not recognize the covinent for what they are, after all if we can decipher these messages, im
sure he could go thourgh the terminals and "discover" the information regarding the recently downed
covenent cruser. if he had been on the ship, he woudl simply name the ship when he first met us in the
level, "343 GS",

if it is not 343GS then it is obviously some other important AI. people generally do not talk in verse. this would mean that there are two entities, Enkidu and another. . . while ekindu may or may not be smart, the other ai is for sure.

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one other thing:

enkidu would make a good ai name. but not a good character name. i seriously doubt that bungie woudl create a character named enkidu who acted just like the ledgendary enkidu. they usually are a bit more metaphorical then that.

. . .but then again it could be a curveball. afterall durandal was not a sword given to a king . . .was he?

  • 04.28.2004 5:28 PM PDT
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hehe, one more thing, since noone else wants to post, i think the cortana letters tie marathon universe to halo rather well . . . unless there are two cortanas, friends of friends, the W'rkncacnter refrences, (I can recall a sun - black, but shining - and the creatures that inched along its fiery tracks.
(Cortana letter)



being almost certainly a reference to:
When the W'rkncacnter came, Pthia was
killed, and Yrro in anger, flung the
W'rkncacnter into the sun. The sun burned
them, but they swam on its surface.
(Marathon 2)
)


and what HE saw in us

just some thoughts

p.s. thanks beorn ;)

  • 04.28.2004 5:50 PM PDT
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Preach on brother!!

  • 04.28.2004 6:58 PM PDT
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It seems that we're divided on whether or not the
marathon and halo stories can really mesh. I've
been pondering this question for some time now,
and a small amount of info from the book "First
Strike" helped me cook up a theory.

*SPOILERS AHEAD*

in FS, the epilougue says that the Covenant are in
the ninth age of reclamation. Also, I belive it was the
documentary that mentions something about a great
battle that took place 900,000 years ago. The covies
"age" may be a period of 100,000 years, and
coincedentally, 343GS was left alone for 101,217
years. The Chief was called "reclaimer" by 343, and
the "ages of reclamation" could relate to this.

Think about this. What if the Halo is fired every
100,000 years, wiping everything out in the galaxy.
Now you're probably thinking, "But that would kill
everything, including them and us!" However, Earth
is on the very edge of the galaxy, and the effect of
the ring may be diminished. The same may be true
with the covenant.

The end result of the firing would blast humans and
covenant to the stone age, forcing them to wait another
100,000 years to race for "Reclaimation of the index."
With the power of the prophets and all, why wouldn't the
covenant just go to a halo and grab the index? Simple.
They're absolutely terrified of the flood. The prophets
most likely intentions were to stop the humans from
reaching the halo, because they would assume we know
nothing about them. This begs the question, "who made
the halos 900,000 years ago, and who was involved in
this great war?"

This where the halo and marathon stories collide. Okay,
so lets track all the way back to marathon. In Marathon,
Durandal calls on the pfhor to attack the Marathon ship.
The effect of this confrontation could have brought a
massive war with the pfhor and humans. As this war
raged, the humans became desperate, and built the
halos and engineered the flood as a last ditch effort to
halt the pfhor assault. This is when things get hairy. The
humans begin to lose, and fire the halo, destroying life in
the galaxy, but ironically, remnants of humans and remnants
of the pfhor live on. The cycle of reclamation and mutual
destruction continues, and the pfhor evolve into the
covenant over time.

As for evidence to support this theory, there was a little
hint on one of the myth CDs that was written by Cortana.

"In a relatively brief period of time, the achievements of
SolCore had resulted in an economically stable, techno
logically mature, rapidly expanding empire of eight human
worlds. Advancements in technology arrived at a faster
pace than the most optimistic scientists could have ever
envisioned. Unexpected contact with indigenous human
populations on four "lost colony" worlds led to a frenzy of
research as archaeologists, theologians, astronomers,
and evolutionary biologists competed to offer an explanation
for the startling discovery. Many accepted the findings as
proof that their privileged civilization must surely be the
most advanced in the universe. Others eagerly
anticipated future interaction with intelligent "aliens".
The fear of not being the only sentient species in the universe
was forgotten in the giddy excitement of a new era for
humanity. "

How could humans get on other worlds with "lost colonies"
if we've never been there before?
Or have we?

Sorry for the lengthy post but it was necessary to say what
I wanted. Please relply!

P.S. All the credit for discovering the hidden cortana message
and the FS spoilers belongs to the individuals who kindly
submitted their finding to the halo and marathon story pages.

  • 04.28.2004 6:58 PM PDT
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Posted by: Bring the Noise
Posted by: GOD Halo Fan
'course - I read all of them...

I know my theorys don't tie into everyone else's - that why I posted them - to give you something to think about


Huh? Your whole post was a summary of what's been posted. Your theorys don't tie in, they were straight jacked from other people. There wasn't a single orginal thought in that entire post that I quoted.


first you say that I haven't read any of the previous posts - then you describe me as having "summerised" the posts so far, suggesting that I'd read them all.

as for my ideas -
1) no one had mentioned anything about Enkidu being described as a "bull-man"
2) Although Theseus killing the Minotaur had been noted - no one had mentioned the connection between Enkidu and the Minotaur
3) no one had mentioned "I was kept in darkness" possibly being the Labyrinth

If you have problems with my posts or theorys tell me what they are - I'm happy to go over them with you.

  • 04.28.2004 7:12 PM PDT