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Armor: looks different because it was done by an artist.

Nav Point: Can be recieved by anyone with the proper equiptment. It just so happens that the spartans have that equiptment built into their helmets. Oh and another point, since he obviously doesn't have Mojolnir, the fact he can recieve a nav point does not make him a spartan, because they had to use their Mjolnir's helmets to display it. So no, he does not have to be a spartan, and ONI operative sounds much more likely because of Halo Fan's point.

And yes, the portable terminal should be able to recieve them. I don't see any other way, because even MC's upgraded neural interface couldn't show him things (I mean give him visions or change what he is seeing - would be too risky the enemy could do it in battle and disable all the solders) so it would have to be the portable terminal it is displayed on.

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yeah I hadn't figured out how they would know where the NAV point was unless they had a helmet on....

maybe they could have a beeping sound inside their head that got faster the closer you got to the NAV point... God that would be annoying!

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I'm sorry if someones mentioned this, or something, but there's far too many pages to check them all. Did someone on this forum choose the name John Doe randomly for this character, or is there information supporting that name? Because John Doe is the default name for "create a character" in NFL Fever 2002 for Xbox.

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Posted by: googadude
I'm sorry if someones mentioned this, or something, but there's far too many pages to check them all. Did someone on this forum choose the name John Doe randomly for this character, or is there information supporting that name? Because John Doe is the default name for "create a character" in NFL Fever 2002 for Xbox.


Yes, someone chose the name John Doe since there was no other info about his name, can't remember who, but it was many pages back. I don't blame you for not reading through them all, it's alot.

  • 05.11.2004 7:15 PM PDT
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Posted by: GOD Halo Fan
yeah I hadn't figured out how they would know where the NAV point was unless they had a helmet on....

maybe they could have a beeping sound inside their head that got faster the closer you got to the NAV point... God that would be annoying!


In the book Halo: The Flood it says how Keyes would see messages scroll over his vision. If Keyes has a N.I. and Messages scroll in front of his vision than isnt it possible that he could see a NAV point???

not trying to be a smart ass just wanting to know what you think.

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Posted by: GOD Halo Fan
yeah I hadn't figured out how they would know where the NAV point was unless they had a helmet on....

maybe they could have a beeping sound inside their head that got faster the closer you got to the NAV point... God that would be annoying!


In the book Halo: The Flood it says how Keyes would see messages scroll over his vision. If Keyes has a N.I. and Messages scroll in front of his vision than isnt it possible that he could see a NAV point???

not trying to be a smart ass just wanting to know what you think.


Huh... I wonder if it's a mistake in the books, or if the N.I. really can display simple NAV points...

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Posted by: TJGuitarZ
I just started reading this thread, when I realized that it was 56 pages long. Anyone want to give me a summary of what happened? It would be appreciated.



Posted by: googadude
I'm sorry if someones mentioned this, or something, but there's far too many pages to check them all. Did someone on this forum choose the name John Doe randomly for this character, or is there information supporting that name? Because John Doe is the default name for "create a character" in NFL Fever 2002 for Xbox.



Posted by: pcsme
Yes, someone chose the name John Doe since there was no other info about his name, can't remember who, but it was many pages back. I don't blame you for not reading through them all, it's alot.



Hmmm Zk315, it seems a new thread with a summary would provide usefull huh?

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There is a couple problems with God Halo Fan's Medic theory.

Medics are not ussually trained in combat. Look back in history as well as in today's army. Medics are not trained to fight nor are they armed in fear that they will be targeted by the enemy. However we could say thats probably changed in 2552 being that the covenant probably have no care for "rules of combat" and just want to kill humans.

Still, why would a medic be such a good warrior? First off a standard marine hasn't a chance against a large number of Covenant forces. Thier ability to survive would be even more slim in a room with the covenant and all alone. Yet, JD fought a force of covenant off in a room with their own weapons. If this was a standard marine and he actually did succeed at doing this, it would have been all luck, not skill. Enkidu was actually surprised at JD's ability at using plasma weapons. Quote," I didn't know you could make Covenant weapons do that much damage." Please note too that it is the use of the weapons and not the capacity to kill. Enkidu would have been more surprised at a medic surviving this situation, but because it is a Spartan, he is surprised at how well JD has made use of unfamiliar weapons. This is all sounding like Spartan adaption to a situation.

Now lets seriously think this out, if a marine could only barely survive, how could a medic, specially trained in saving lives and not taking them, be so effective in combat? Most medics probably never even get a chance to fight. where would this combat skill have come from then? Its just not possible JD is a medic. We saw how hard it was for the cheif to fight a lone elite while in his armor. Seriously, also think about this. Why would a Captain, able to tacticly out fight a Covenant Frigate, decide to leave a medic on his own to accomplish various task? this all just does not make sense. The only human fighting force that could use covenant weapons against the Covies in a closed room all alone and survive over and over is a Spartan. There is not other choice here.

This evidence alone is enough to show JD is a Spartan, yet, we have talk of "sailor", and "special training" and "fancy neural implants" too. Come on this is some kind of Spartan that we are dealing with.

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Posted by: googadude
I'm sorry if someones mentioned this, or something, but there's far too many pages to check them all. Did someone on this forum choose the name John Doe randomly for this character, or is there information supporting that name? Because John Doe is the default name for "create a character" in NFL Fever 2002 for Xbox.


Yes, someone chose the name John Doe since there was no other info about his name, can't remember who, but it was many pages back. I don't blame you for not reading through them all, it's alot.

Yeah I chose John/Jane Doe (JD) near the beginning. It became so hard to talk about someone without an easy name to call them. John/Jane Doe is the name police in the US give to unidentifiable people.

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Posted by: Tartarus
There is a couple problems with God Halo Fan's Medic theory.

Medics are not ussually trained in combat. Look back in history as well as in today's army. Medics are not trained to fight nor are they armed in fear that they will be targeted by the enemy. However we could say thats probably changed in 2552 being that the covenant probably have no care for "rules of combat" and just want to kill humans.


I don't think you read my theory very well.... I didn't say JD was a medic, I said his "cover identity" was a medic in the cryo bay.

My theory is that JD is an ONI operative posing as a medic in the UNSC Lebanon's cryo bay. As an ONI operative JD would have training in weapons, tactics and how to blend in. He/she would have some augmentations (not visable ones) and an upgraded neural interface so as to be able to work alone undercover.

There is nothing to say JD couldn't use covenant weapons (many marines on Halo do). There is nothing to say JD couldn't use his/her cunning to survive against large numbers of Covenant. As an ONI operative JD was probably the best of the best of the best - and while that normally means Spartans, Spartans are not suited to undercover work.

I would hope you'll pay more attention to my theories in future before trying to shoot them down.

[Edited on 5/11/2004 8:20:56 PM]

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I don't mean to be -blam!- GOD Halo Fan, however, earlier you said that everyone under a Captains command is a "sailor." That is not actually true. Since I have had the unique opportunity to serve in the U.S. Navy I know that there is a distinction between operatives. If you are Navy you are a sailor it doesn't matter if you are some SEAL team member or not. However, if you are a Marine... no offense to you guys out there that are Marines... You are a Jarhead, a Leatherneck, a Ground Pounder, and always a Marine. You also tend to take offense at being called anything else.

But, the only thing that would make sense for your argument however, is that ONI is a department of the UNSC. In my opinion however, this just gives me that funny vibe that Colonel Ackerson had his hands in this... The "117" reference makes me believe this is Colonel Ackersons clone of John. This is all just speculation but, I feel that we will have a clearer picture of it very soon.

Oh also Tartarus... Navy Corpmen go to Camp Lejeune and train with Marines they also have combat training. Again sorry to be -blam!-.

[Edited on 5/11/2004 8:40:01 PM]

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yeah, but I would think that the Marines would be under a different chain of command.

I was just trying to point out that "sailor" doesn't have to mean Spartan - It doesn't even have to be someone who is in the UNSC Forces, ie someone who Captain Mathers regards as being under his command.

I'm not part of anyone's Navy, so I could be totally wrong on this...

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They are under a different chain of command, however, the head of that chain still reports to the Lead Naval Officer. The reason is that the Department of the Navy branched out and created the Mairne Corp. There is no department of the Marine Corp I think... Pretty sure anyways.

But, you are right "sailor" doesn't have to refer to a Spartan. It just seems like it should be...

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I didn't know that, I guess you learn something everyday...

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Posted by: GOD Halo Fan
I don't think you read my theory very well.... I didn't say JD was a medic, I said his "cover identity" was a medic in the cryo bay.

My theory is that JD is an ONI operative posing as a medic in the UNSC Lebanon's cryo bay. As an ONI operative JD would have training in weapons, tactics and how to blend in. He/she would have some augmentations (not visable ones) and an upgraded neural interface so as to be able to work alone undercover.

There is nothing to say JD couldn't use covenant weapons (many marines on Halo do). There is nothing to say JD couldn't use his/her cunning to survive against large numbers of Covenant. As an ONI operative JD was probably the best of the best of the best - and while that normally means Spartans, Spartans are not suited to undercover work.

I would hope you'll pay more attention to my theories in future before trying to shoot them down.


Oh i read what you wrote just fine, its just that you didn't make it very clear what you were trying saying. Anyways I won't argue with you on this as thats senseless. You've cleared up your wrong and we can agree on a general level. Thanks for your cooperation.

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But, the only thing that would make sense for your argument however, is that ONI is a department of the UNSC. In my opinion however, this just gives me that funny vibe that Colonel Ackerson had his hands in this... The "117" reference makes me believe this is Colonel Ackersons clone of John. This is all just speculation but, I feel that we will have a clearer picture of it very soon.



Now you my friend, may just be on to something. Maybe his Clone is not yet full grown yet? Could explain why he fit in ok, and Ackerson hasn't finished the armor yet?

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Posted by: Tartarus
Posted by: GOD Halo Fan
I don't think you read my theory very well.... I didn't say JD was a medic, I said his "cover identity" was a medic in the cryo bay.

My theory is that JD is an ONI operative posing as a medic in the UNSC Lebanon's cryo bay. As an ONI operative JD would have training in weapons, tactics and how to blend in. He/she would have some augmentations (not visable ones) and an upgraded neural interface so as to be able to work alone undercover.

There is nothing to say JD couldn't use covenant weapons (many marines on Halo do). There is nothing to say JD couldn't use his/her cunning to survive against large numbers of Covenant. As an ONI operative JD was probably the best of the best of the best - and while that normally means Spartans, Spartans are not suited to undercover work.

I would hope you'll pay more attention to my theories in future before trying to shoot them down.


Oh i read what you wrote just fine, its just that you didn't make it very clear what you were trying saying. Anyways I won't argue with you on this as thats senseless. You've cleared up your wrong and we can agree on a general level. Thanks for your cooperation.


I understood what he was saying man, he wasn't wrong.

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It is hard to tell if JD is a Spartan, ONI, or just a special military officer.

I think JD is some kind of Spartan. Not like the ones we have encounterd yet. I have been hearing about a Colonel Ackerson making spartan3's.
I havent read First Strike or The Fall of Reach...................... But it just seems unlikely that JD has survived everything he has been through so far just being a special ONI operative. Sounds like a Spartan to me, just not one that we are used to.

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Tartarus, I think there is some miscommunication. I didn't mean to imply that JD was a mechanic or medic or other standard personnel, but that he was stationed as standard personnel as his cover. I believe fully that JD is a Spartan, sent by ONI, as an undercover agent for some purpose we don't fully understand yet. The only theory I could come up with would be stealthly insertion into a Covenant ship to gain force deployment and mission intelligence, which would be best carried out by a single agent (less noticeable) that could handle himself well without support if things went bad (More proof for Spartan).

Achilles, my knowledge of physics is lackluster at best, so what could conceivably be used to hold a spaceship to a planet's surface (and not just orbit) but not affect the people on or below the planet's surface is beyond my knowledge. If it were magnetic in nature, it would either not allow take off or trap the ship in orbit as it tried to escape. The same if it were gravitational. In either case, JD and Mathers should notice the effects (walking is difficult under more intense gravities and ballistic style weapons would be messed up by both magnetic fields and gravitational fields, etc.) Physical ties are completely out of the question as the Covenant could simple break it, theoretically. Perhaps, the Forerunner anti-aircraft system contains localized, targeted electro-magnetic pulses that stall the engines of the ships causing them to crash back down, and of course the system would be automated, designed only to attack aircraft at a certain altitude. This, however, should not cause anything like auroras.

Edit: GhostOfSorrow, since no one else is replying to your first question that I saw, I'll do it. The 'decoder ring' is a reference to old time 'spy' stuff where a ring is used to contain information used to break encrypted messages. So, that Enkidu is saying that our hero John Doe would have a decoder ring, metaphorically, is indicative of John Doe being a spy, secret agent, whatever you want to call him.

[Edited on 5/11/2004 9:58:26 PM]

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What if this mysterious "JD" was the security officer on board of the Lebanon? Hahahahahahaha sorry i got carried away.

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Whether JD is a Spartan or not - at least we have some revived interest after the "flood disappointment"...

There are 6 letters left in the greek alphabet for the author to use... I think we'll see one more under this chapter/stage, then another stage of 5 terminals... I think I'll look up how many "stages" of rampancy there are...

that means there's only 6 terminals and at least prologue before we know the tru7h...

EDIT: Sorry Noir, I think that was my bad....

[Edited on 5/11/2004 9:58:21 PM]

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Posted by: Noir
Tartarus, I think there is some miscommunication. I didn't mean to imply that JD was a mechanic or medic or other standard personnel, but that he was stationed as standard personnel as his cover. I believe fully that JD is a Spartan, sent by ONI, as an undercover agent for some purpose we don't fully understand yet. The only theory I could come up with would be stealthly insertion into a Covenant ship to gain force deployment and mission intelligence, which would be best carried out by a single agent (less noticeable) that could handle himself well without support if things went bad (More proof for Spartan).

Achilles, my knowledge of physics is lackluster at best, so what could conceivably be used to hold a spaceship to a planet's surface (and not just orbit) but not affect the people on or below the planet's surface is beyond my knowledge. If it were magnetic in nature, it would either not allow take off or trap the ship in orbit as it tried to escape. The same if it were gravitational. In either case, JD and Mathers should notice the effects (walking is difficult under more intense gravities and ballistic style weapons would be messed up by both magnetic fields and gravitational fields, etc.) Physical ties are completely out of the question as the Covenant could simple break it, theoretically. Perhaps, the Forerunner anti-aircraft system contains localized, targeted electro-magnetic pulses that stall the engines of the ships causing them to crash back down, and of course the system would be automated, designed only to attack aircraft at a certain altitude. This, however, should not cause anything like auroras.


So what your saying is that you belive JD is a Spartan but also sent by ONI?
I was thinking, and so was a couple of other people, that a 7 foot spartan wouldnt be able to hide and blend in very well with the other marines.
Even if he had a very "low-key" job (Cryo bay tech) He would still be noticed by someone on board! From the description I got about a Spartan is that they are very white and pale and BIG!
I am still sticking to the idea of that maybe your theory is correct, but maybe he is a different Spartan (Spartan3).

P.S. When I am putting Spartan3 I mean Project Spartan III. just making typing easier.

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Not to be difficult or anything, but I'm a big guy. 6'3", close to three hundred pounds. Football does that to you. Now, I'm not comparing myself to Master Chief, but I don't attract a lot of attention when I'm out and about. The idea that just because a guy is friggin huge that makes him ineffective as a cover operative does not sit well with me. In fact, sometimes, a very visible person works well as a covert operative as people will see them and think they're so conspicuous, no one would ever use them as a spy. It's the hide in plain sight idea.

But there could of course be the issue of a Spartan III unit geared more for stealth than brute force like the Spartan II's seem to be. Or, he could be something else that ONI cooked up. Or, he could be the best ODST alive. Or, he could be a trained dog with human language skills. Any idea is plausible since none of us have anything close to conclusive proof. However, I personally stand by the idea of a Spartan II because it does not adversely affect the current plot (no need for making new units with new plots behind them like Ackerson's clones or ONI duplicity), it aids the character weight of the Master Chief ("if John Doe can do all of this, we know that Master Chief can do it, too" reinforces the idea that Master Chief owns, which Bungie wants. The better Master Chief looks, the more money they get from Halo titles) and of course the storyline proofs tend to say Spartan more than it says ODST, ONI or whatever else it could say.

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I apologize about the big thing, but you misunderstood me.

When I meant that he wouldnt be able to be stealthy being a Spartan II, it is because not only is the Spartan II's Tall but also.................. Beefy. In what I heard from people that read the books, MC and the rest of his bro's and sis's, you could definitly spot them in a crowed. Not just because of size and mass but because of Paleness in skin and how they are generally not like other humans. (personality wise)

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There are some agency's that put limits on the height of applicants... I think it's MI5....

I think that the ONI guys would have realised that the Spartans would have difficulties undercover
- 7 ft tall
- very pale
- weigh 250+ kg
- act differently
and would have set up a similar program to train soldiers with non-visable augmentations, with training to help them blend in but still able to hold their own in a fight...

We don't know alot about ONI, one of the things we do know is that they have people everywhere...

  • 05.11.2004 10:34 PM PDT