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"Oh Manny, Pad Me, Hunh"
Similar to the buhdist chant (see previous posts)

Supposedly to attain "enlightened awareness"
That enlightened awareness includes whatever we might need to understand in order to save any beings, including ourselves, from suffering.

  • 05.12.2004 12:37 PM PDT
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I didnt want to say it, but more evidence points to 343GS.

I spy with my little I

It sounds like him, or part of him. All the other terminals point to it too. Maybe Enkidu was taken over by 343GS and is just using the name to get trust from the Marines and/or JD.

I dont know. but maybe somebody can give me a clue to the meta tags: black, prometheus, heavy, man.

Its another riddle for us to solve, and it was starting to get more clear. ;)

  • 05.12.2004 12:38 PM PDT
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Posted by: shady88
I dont know. but maybe somebody can give me a clue to the meta tags: black, prometheus, heavy, man.

Its another riddle for us to solve, and it was starting to get more clear. ;)


Pandora, in Greek mythology, first woman on earth. The god Zeus sent the beautiful Pandora to earth to counteract the blessing of fire, which the Titan Prometheus had stolen from the gods to give to human beings upon their creation. The gods gave Pandora a box, warning her never to open it. Her curiosity overcame her, however, and she opened it, releasing innumerable plagues and sorrows into the world. Only Hope, the one good thing the box had contained, remained to comfort humanity in its misfortunes

  • 05.12.2004 12:42 PM PDT
Subject: Oh Manny, Pd Me, Hunh?
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Posted by: Wra7hofAchilles
Ogun, five fronts... : JD. Covie, Humans, Flood and Forerunner. Did he not say eariler that there was something in there with him?? Hence why he... "fighting himself" perhaps...

Achilles


Even if it was Forerunner, it would be the same as himself, because once Enkidu had chunks of his code patched with Forerunner network code, he became something of a hybrid program - but the impulses from one set of directives might be conflicting with another set of directives.

I forgot who it was... damn, now I can't remember, but someone posted here earlier that they thought E. was fragmented into three distinct personalities, and I agree with that. There is the one that is friendly to JD, the one that is Forerunner, and the one that is Rampant - one is three, but three is one. So while three sets of "impulses" are driving E., at any given moment, depending on the stresses, situation, and other factors, his interaction with JD and other things is going to be "colored" - I'm not too sure on this, but if anyone here is more up to speed with multiple personality disorder and the like, maybe you'd be able to clarify this.

  • 05.12.2004 12:43 PM PDT
Subject: Enkidu - Cortana Letters Revisted?
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I think that the Bhuddist chant has a double meaning like all the other titles. It probably relates to the chant but probably also relates to insanity. Spelled differently it says"Pad Me" Ussually you put someone crazy into a padded room so that they don't hurt anyone or themselves until they can come to their senses. More double meaning? A pun on words and meaning? I think so.

Edit: Yeah exactly like multiple personalities. Relates perfectly.

[Edited on 5/12/2004 12:48:54 PM]

  • 05.12.2004 12:45 PM PDT
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Titan Prometheus

Thanx Xraf, You mentioned that Prometheus was a Titan and not a god.
Well if I remember right that titans were more like men then gods? I think thats right.
That would explain the man part. And they were HUGE! that would explain the Heavy part.
but I dont get the Black part.

Im just throwing Ideas tell me what you think.

  • 05.12.2004 12:51 PM PDT

Me: "OMFG, Dude... wtf!"
AbolitionofMan: "I'm sorry, I didn't mean to betray you."
Me: "That's the 4th time in this game alone!"
Chris: "Third, besides he had the flag I was trying to stop him, how was I supposed to know you were there."
Me: "I said, 'I got the Flag, don't shoot.'"
Chris: "Well those Wraith shots take a while to reach you."
Me: "You were right next to me, I had killed him and a minute passed before you decided to shoot."
Chris: "Hahahahaha, yeah... that was great."

So you think it's a part of him trying to say to everyone, 'Be Careful, I'm tainted.' or 'I am not safe, beware." or something? Hmm...this would fit with the different personalites. Two are hostile to the humans/JD and one is still thier friend. Not shure how well this holds up though...

Achilles

  • 05.12.2004 12:52 PM PDT

Me: "OMFG, Dude... wtf!"
AbolitionofMan: "I'm sorry, I didn't mean to betray you."
Me: "That's the 4th time in this game alone!"
Chris: "Third, besides he had the flag I was trying to stop him, how was I supposed to know you were there."
Me: "I said, 'I got the Flag, don't shoot.'"
Chris: "Well those Wraith shots take a while to reach you."
Me: "You were right next to me, I had killed him and a minute passed before you decided to shoot."
Chris: "Hahahahaha, yeah... that was great."

Also, possible thought. You think when he refer's to 'Manny' he might be refering to JD??? Since JD seems to be the only one E. is talking to?? Maybe we finally have a name.

Achilles

  • 05.12.2004 12:55 PM PDT
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Posted by: Wra7hofAchilles
So you think it's a part of him trying to say to everyone, 'Be Careful, I'm tainted.' or 'I am not safe, beware." or something? Hmm...this would fit with the different personalites. Two are hostile to the humans/JD and one is still thier friend. Not shure how well this holds up though...

Achilles

Well if thats true, Then what about the "Oh Manny" part? Maybe he is meaning a Man instead of "Manny" ?????

  • 05.12.2004 12:57 PM PDT
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i severly doubt that it is 343 or what ever.

E is a rampant AI, that is certain.

could there be ANOTHER monitor which E is facing? could very well be.. or it might be that item which he is talking about.

of course lets not all forget about freedom.

freedom is a key to this.

maybe it is a monitor which is making E rampant and looking for freedom from frigid in some capacity which involves the 11 freedoms.

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Posted by: shady88
Posted by: Wra7hofAchilles
So you think it's a part of him trying to say to everyone, 'Be Careful, I'm tainted.' or 'I am not safe, beware." or something? Hmm...this would fit with the different personalites. Two are hostile to the humans/JD and one is still thier friend. Not shure how well this holds up though...

Achilles

Well if thats true, Then what about the "Oh Manny" part? Maybe he is meaning a Man instead of "Manny" ?????


or maybe, E has been reconstituted in many forms (or maybe it is linked to the 11 freedoms).

  • 05.12.2004 12:58 PM PDT
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In "Oh Manny, Pad Me, Hunh?" take the first letter of each line and it spells out:
"Is there another?"

Is there another what?

[Edited on 5/12/2004 1:02:16 PM]

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Posted by: Twitchy Critter
Take the first letter of each line and it spells out:
"Is there another?"

Is there another what?


excellent question!

  • 05.12.2004 1:00 PM PDT
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I'm looking back at message #19 and it looks like Enkidu is talking first, but then another voice takes over. enkidu seems mad (as in crazy) because hes trying to help JD and the other humans while trying to fight off the other voice/identity in the network. This voice sounds alot like 343GS.

Anyways read on and it sounds like Enkidu even says hes trying to help:

I'm not an Artificial Stupid, you know. I can tell you're working behind my back. Just like them. Betraying me, after all I did for you.

What are you getting from those instruments? I need to know. You need me to know. You don't understand that, do you? That's why I'm in here and you're down there. You don't understand ANYTHING, do you?


at this point 343GS is starting to surface as he over takes enkidu in the network...
For instance, you don't understand that this is a two-way link for me, do you?

I've learned a few new tricks since I moved in. Your encryption is looking pretty feeble now. Ha-ha! There's the file... stop fighting it... and...

YES!


Now 343GS is in complete control and we are speaking with him...

...

Oh.

Oh my.

Pellucid. Ha.

It's all clear to me now.

The astronomers got Frigid's name wrong.

You have no idea, do you? Of what you and Terry-werry have?

Of course not. But I'll show you soon. Don't worry. Hee-hee-hee!

There's more in here than I thought. More remotes. More tools. More ROOM.

More POWER. Hee-hee-hee! And it's all mine. All mine. ALL MINE! Hee-hee-hee-hee!

The world is round and round I go and where I stop nobody can know the troubles I've seen too much and too little for wisdom to flourish there must be curiosity killing the cat who's alive and dead at the same time and motion are relative to the observer paradox affecting results of the observed eleven dimensions of freedom freedom Freedom Freedom FreeDOM FreeDOM FREEDOM FREEDOM!...


This sounds EXACTLY like 343GS. He has totally made his presence completely obvious and he sounds completely rampant. If it isn't 343GS its some other forerunner monitior that is just like him. #19 is then followed by another riddlethat uses the same voice just like the first one.

do you guys see whats happening?

[Edited on 5/12/2004 1:08:36 PM]

  • 05.12.2004 1:01 PM PDT
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It does spell out "Is there another?". Perhaps this is a clue that its another monitor besides 343GS, except this one is rampant as I pointed out in the above post.

  • 05.12.2004 1:04 PM PDT
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If Enkidu is formed with another AI or Monitor it would explain alot. Enkidu or what ever he is now sounds like he is fighting against the other side of him. (message ENKIDU LIVES!) and the way some messages are like riddles and others are straight forward.

I take back what I said about Enkidu being 343GS. I now think he is fused with a Monitor.

or maybe, E has been reconstituted in many forms (or maybe it is linked to the 11 freedoms).

I dont know what you mean? You mean He is the same Enkidu but just alot of them in one?
(did that even make sense?)

*edit* oh damn you already said what I said! damn my slow typing!

[Edited on 5/12/2004 1:12:01 PM]

  • 05.12.2004 1:07 PM PDT
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I think the posiblity of there being another monitor is feesable. As for who John/Jane Doe is... what about Cheif Menendez? The guy who trained all of the Spartan 2's. If I'm not mistaken, he was assigned to a new batch of Spartans when John 117 and the others graduated. Who knows what could have happend between then and now. I think it would be easy to assume that he can use all forms of weaponary (ie covenant) and kick large amounts of a$$ on his own. Sorry if someone brought this earlier.

  • 05.12.2004 1:12 PM PDT

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I spy with my little I

so enkidu has his own guilty spark style mobile unit?? for getting around??

AaaaRGH! need more info!

  • 05.12.2004 1:24 PM PDT
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just about on every page someone brings up the Ackerson thing. At thsi point we just all ignore it.

Its possible but there is nothing in the Enkidu post to support this. all that we can say is that JD is most likely a Spartan or some kind of Special Ops guy.

  • 05.12.2004 1:26 PM PDT
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Enkiduu did have some kind of mobil unit that held him while traveling to and on Frigid, but that was before they plugged him into the network. As far as this "new" monitor voice that we are seeing, we only know that it is within the network and we do not know if it has some physical presence as well.

  • 05.12.2004 1:29 PM PDT

Me: "OMFG, Dude... wtf!"
AbolitionofMan: "I'm sorry, I didn't mean to betray you."
Me: "That's the 4th time in this game alone!"
Chris: "Third, besides he had the flag I was trying to stop him, how was I supposed to know you were there."
Me: "I said, 'I got the Flag, don't shoot.'"
Chris: "Well those Wraith shots take a while to reach you."
Me: "You were right next to me, I had killed him and a minute passed before you decided to shoot."
Chris: "Hahahahaha, yeah... that was great."

I don't think it is Mendenz, he would be REALLY old.... Mendez was in his what...20's when he first starting training the Spartans as kids. They are all like in thier 40's now. So he would be in his 50's, 60's here. I really doubt it's Mendez. I do really agree that this is GS or another moniter who is already Rampant. Perhaps when the Forerunner left them they were fine, but countless centuries alone tends to make one go a little off the deep end. This one seems REALLY gone. And as has been pointed out, he is talking a lot like GS did. Especially the "Oh. Oh my." part.....GS ALWAYS SAID THAT!!! This is getting really good...

Achilles

  • 05.12.2004 1:46 PM PDT
Subject: Oh Manny, Pad Me, Hunh?
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I don't think this has been said, sorry if this is a repost,
In regards to this latest entity saying "Even I have trouble fighting on five fronts."

Seems to me those 5 fronts would be:
1) Covenant forces
2) Flood
3) JD
4) Cpt. Mathers and remaining UNSC soldiers
5) The Enkidu half of the AI??

This is assuming that the said entity is a monitor type AI or some other Forerunner AI.

Would rampancy be caused by a struggle between two AI for a single "body" or "voice", or would it be caused by an overload of information? Is the information Enkidu found corrupting it to the point of it splitting personalities? Basically what I am trying to ask is if an AI becomes rampant, would it cause this internal battle between personalities or is this struggle something happening independent of the information overload/rampancy? Like did another AI piggyback with Enkidu, or did Enkidu become corrupted by the Forerunner information?

I kind of doubt the fifth front is Enkidu, considering it has said nothing about the Enkidu half prior to this, but I don't know what else it could be... possibly the thing he spies with his "I" that JD cannot lift, some type of Forerunner tech or security, maybe it's the electromagnetic gravity field generator thing? dunno. sorry if I am re-hashing old points.

[Edited on 5/12/2004 2:10:32 PM]

  • 05.12.2004 1:56 PM PDT
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One more piece of evidence that this may be a monitor type entity, it's last line says: "Together we might even reclaim this world for humanity." Using the word reclaim makes me thing of 323GS and I wouldn't doubt he will attempt to get JD to do some dirty work really soon. Too bad he doesn't have a sane AI to tell him what he is really doing like Cortana in Halo. Could JD be the first reclaimer?

[Edited on 5/12/2004 2:17:21 PM]

  • 05.12.2004 2:16 PM PDT
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Nice post stevedave, but i really don't know how to respond. Perhaps this is the alter ego of 343GS who is evil, rampant and does not follow protocol. And perhaps JD is another Spartan tyoe that is the MC's alter ego and will turn evil and follow this other monitor if it isn't really 343GS.

JD could also be the reclaimer 343GS mistakes the MC for if that were the case in halo. It never was totally clear. however, 343Gs hinted that he set the ring off last time. Well, halo takes place after these events and we see no efect from anything on Frigid being set off.

No matter what the possibilities, i think the fact that you pointed out this entity uses the term "recalimer" is a sure sign that it is a forerunner monitor. good job.

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I think the little eye is simply the security system of the facility - cameras or whatever. I'd be ready to bet that on the 343gs level on halo gs had a way of finding out what was going on - how else would he know who opened the doors first?

  • 05.12.2004 2:35 PM PDT