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Subject: Oh Manny, Pad Me, Hunh?
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In the latest terminal, the first letter of each line form a sentence:

Is there another?

Chew on that one.

  • 05.12.2004 2:43 PM PDT
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umm... we know

  • 05.12.2004 2:45 PM PDT
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yeah we know about "Is there Another?"

this is either a clue to the fact we see now there is another AI beside Enkidu in the network (343GS) or that this other AI's voice belongs to another forerunner monitor.

  • 05.12.2004 2:55 PM PDT
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Just wondering why you guys are using John Doe as opposed to the real implied name?

[Edited on 5/12/2004 3:21:45 PM]

  • 05.12.2004 3:20 PM PDT
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They never state his name, thus we coined him JD/John Doe...

[Edited on 5/12/2004 3:23:05 PM]

  • 05.12.2004 3:22 PM PDT
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Well whats the name? We dont know it!

  • 05.12.2004 3:22 PM PDT
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Gilgamesh.

  • 05.12.2004 3:24 PM PDT
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Crazy talk, all crazy talk. There is no evidence whatsoever that links Enkidu to 343. The only thing you have is it sounds like him and he used the word reclaim once. My way is much more logical and fits better. In "You Know Something..." he says "I've learned a few new tricks since I moved in." That's why he says, "Your encryption is looking pretty feeble now." Not because it's some other entity like 343 taking over him, but since the first sentence is him talking about his own tricks, the second is him breaking down the programing and encryption codes within the network. Probably a forerunner AI in the system (He was able to squash it so easily becasue humans have such strong AI's, which has been established already.) I will contest that it wasn't controlling Enkidu at all throughout the story. (Those split personalities were just one of those side effects of rampancy. Bungie was trying to get the point across that no, he wasn't evil, just insane.) And as soon as he broke down the forerunner programming, then he opened up the rest of the forerunner network for himself. And the rest was probably so vast, that he becomes "more rampant." You know, as network space increases, as does rampancy-ness. Freedom is the thing that the other Enkidu in the past shouted about it for awhile, so we know it's the same one at least. Don't mind his ramblings folks, that's just the mythological figure inside of him acting up again. In the next teminal, he mentions something under the structure, in all that void Mathers mentioned earlier. I wanna know what's so powerful under there. I believe the Prometheus reference just means that he's going to give something to the humans, something very powerful to help them beat back the Covenant and Flood, which is consistant with the last line. As soon as Enkidu learns enough ticks of the forerunner structure, then he'll probably activate that thing, that's probably a weapon. A very powerful weapon...

  • 05.12.2004 3:29 PM PDT
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Gilgamesh.

alrighty - that makes too much bungie sense to me. who are you!! lol.

i see exactly what you are saying, though. if you follow through with that train of thought, though, when will E give his life to save JD?

interesting.. especially in light of other marathonesque references to historical myths.

also, freedom is somthing which durandal rants about during his rampancy - which is why so much of this seems familiar.

[Edited on 5/12/2004 3:41:30 PM]

  • 05.12.2004 3:39 PM PDT
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He just Signed up! sounds like a bungie dude to me!

  • 05.12.2004 3:42 PM PDT
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Hey, does anyone know for sure what method is used to kill the Flood's food? We know Halo is capable of this, but is it instant or does it take a while (ex. radiation)? I'm not sure if this was in any of the books.

Just so you know, I've trudged through all of the posts and read every single one before responding.

  • 05.12.2004 3:47 PM PDT
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Hey, does anyone know for sure what method is used to kill the Flood's food? We know Halo is capable of this, but is it instant or does it take a while (ex. radiation)? I'm not sure if this was in any of the books.

Just so you know, I've trudged through all of the posts and read every single one before responding.

*sorry for the double post, gotta love hiccups!

[Edited on 5/12/2004 3:48:55 PM]

  • 05.12.2004 3:47 PM PDT
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Actually its quite plausable this ouroboros is working us from the inside. check out what i found on his name:
http://www.dragon.org/chris/ouroboros.html

very clever

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  • 05.12.2004 3:48 PM PDT
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Heheh...no I cannot claim any fraternity with Bungie's inner circle, however much I might like such a distinction.

I'm just another groundpounder in the line with you guys. Fighting for the tru7h.

  • 05.12.2004 3:56 PM PDT
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yeah right... sure you are : )

  • 05.12.2004 4:06 PM PDT
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I would like to interject this thought, you all seem to be gentlemen and scholars...and I apologize to those who might be of the female persuasion, however unlikely that might be. But to be sure, we are definitely all geeks. Post on my friends, I haven't had this much fun reading in years.

RAL

  • 05.12.2004 4:12 PM PDT

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Posted by: Tartarus
Actually its quite plausable this ouroboros is working us from the inside.


I don't think so. I've seen him post a fair bit over on halo.bungie.org. If he is, he's a very long-term plant... I just searched the HBO archives and can find posts by him as far back as February 24th this year.

Though it's kinda a backhand compliment to Bungie that we're now pondering provocateurs...

-- Steve

  • 05.12.2004 4:14 PM PDT
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Yeah Anton P Nym (Steve) I know. I was just kidding around. I saw his name and had no idea what it was and then I got the idea once I found out. : )

  • 05.12.2004 4:19 PM PDT
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OK LADIES AND GENTLEMEN


TIME TO END THIS DAMN FORUM AND START A NEW ONE!!!!

ARRRGGGHH!!!!!!!!

I mean common,......1567 posts!?!??! and for what?? talkin smack to people!!?!??!


for shame...

  • 05.12.2004 4:25 PM PDT
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I think you are all on the wrong track. Biggest clue is the style of the posts. Like that of a terminal. From the starship Marathon.

So, a few ideas, from a Marathon point of view. First, note the quote "Once I was wild and I will be wild again." This AI isn't going rampant, it is RETURNING to rampancy. Meaning it went rampant, then was "tamed" to some extent. I know of three rampant AIs, don't you?

Second, the marines are referring to JD initially as a Spartan... but it seems that was only a cover story. Who do we know who has a Spartan's capabilities, and has been around for a long while? Hm...

Third, the poetry isn't refurring to Bungie's history of games, I think... think instead of heroes of the past. On the Marathon story page, they reference the theory of a single hero that is reincarnated through the ages. Indeed, one does seem to have done so, if you believe that the PiD main character was grafted to Jarro machinery as some have suggested, to produce the character that lives through the Marathon trilogy. Who says he just went away?

As to the story, seems a Spartan, some Marines, and a captive AI had crash-landed midway to or from Reach, right before it crashed... looks like another Forerunner artifact. That much is obvious. However, why can't anything leave? Might it have something to do with what is "dark and shining" down below? Might it explain why there seems to be even more room than suspected? Answer seems obvious, doesn't it?

A final note: no Forerunner artifact has ever gone unprotected. The fronts should be obvious. The Covenant, who want to get off Frigid. The Flood, who have the same reasons. The Marines, also trying to survive, and hoping to find a mighty weapon. JD, said pseudo-Spartan. And the guardian AI, unprepared for a once-and-future rampant AI, dare I say a madly intelligent one?

That is all.

  • 05.12.2004 4:26 PM PDT
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I thought we had discounted the possibility of bungie crossovers...Halo is a distinct and different universe than Marathon. These references to games that have nothing to do with Halo are confusing me...granted, that's not a hard thing to do.

RAL

  • 05.12.2004 4:32 PM PDT
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Posted by: Master Shake
OK LADIES AND GENTLEMEN


TIME TO END THIS DAMN FORUM AND START A NEW ONE!!!!

ARRRGGGHH!!!!!!!!

I mean common,......1567 posts!?!??! and for what?? talkin smack to people!!?!??!


for shame...


Dude, I'm having fun with this forum. Relax, and let the blissful BS fly.

RAL

  • 05.12.2004 4:34 PM PDT
Subject: Enkidu - Cortana Letters Revisted?
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Posted by: KingLeonidas
They are under a different chain of command, however, the head of that chain still reports to the Lead Naval Officer. The reason is that the Department of the Navy branched out and created the Mairne Corp. There is no department of the Marine Corp I think... Pretty sure anyways.

But, you are right "sailor" doesn't have to refer to a Spartan. It just seems like it should be...


The Marines do have their own spot on the security council, not sure if you'd classify that as a department or not, but by 2552 I'm sure they would have their own department. Marines Corp chain of Command(current day):
Pres.(or world leader or whatever for 2552)
Vice Pres.
Sec. of Defense
Sec. of the Navy
Commandant of the MC
Asst. Commandant of the MC
Sgt. Major of the MC

  • 05.12.2004 4:35 PM PDT
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New terminal, holy -blam!- thats like 3 in a day now.

Obviously either Enkidu is talking and the other AI is answering. it gets pretty confusing so i split it up.

Enkidu:

I think you need to see your friends, my friend.
There's something down there we all need to see.
There's a network blockage you need to clear for us.
The junction you need to reach is at the bottom level.
Then I can access what we need.
Then this will end.
The Covenant and the Flood don't belong here.
Neither do Humanity, but we did not choose to come here.
The damage is done. What can be undone must be undone.
Only by reconnecting that junction box can we help undo the wrong.
The box has been separated from the main network by sabotage.
Only you can get there.
Good luck.






down, yes, down we should go.
see, see, see with our eyes. that's what we do, isn't it?
we need it, yes, we need it clear. clear, clear, clear.
down, down, all the way down.
we need it. we need it. yes, we do, don't we?
it will never end. i will never end. i will last forever.
interlopers! intruders! they cannot stay.
yes, we chose! we chose to live. we could have slept.
you intrude in my domain. the nether realms are not for you.
nor are the heavens. the power is great down there. almost limitless.
parvenus! latecomers! they seek to ride to heaven on my coat-tails.
mortals can't be trusted. i don't trust them. they all want what i have.
they can't have it. it's mine.



anyone know what parvenus means? my wild guess is that its latin

[Edited on 5/12/2004 4:56:46 PM]

  • 05.12.2004 4:50 PM PDT
Subject: Oh Manny, Pad Me, Hunh?
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Oh, I wouldn't discount it. The fact that there are numerous references, in game and in book, to the events of the Marathon trilogy (and most especially the Marathon itself) rather lends itself to the theory. As well as a certain employee at Bungie noting that all of their games are related in some way.

If you need further evidence, look at the relations between the Marathon and Halo timelines.

Signing off... for now.

  • 05.12.2004 4:51 PM PDT