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I just had a very random thought. This really reminds me of the end of FS where Cortana was battling with the other AI, and she's starting to go a little funny herself. WHat if its a similar situation? LIke cortana is in the system fighting to control the other AI (possibly a monitor for the forerunners) as well as herself.

I dunno.. its a pretty dumb idea

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If the Domo Arigato title is really meant to have that meaning (and not be a red herring) then perhaps its another embedded message from Enkidu to John Doe that he's not really rampant and is instead being taken over by Forerunner AI and/or behaving poorly as a result of his code patching.

Has anyone checked the meta tags and such for the past few terminals? I don't recall reading them.

  • 05.12.2004 5:51 PM PDT
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I have recently read Halo: First Strike and this gravitation affect described in the emails seems similar to the artifact discovered on reach in the book. It could affect the gravity transporters of covenant ships and also affect slipspace jumps. A similar aftirfact could be below the "planet" frigid.

Also I just looked up the word pellucid thinking it had some hidden meaning, I am still not so sure it doesn't

Pellucid
Definition: [adj] (of language) transparently clear; easily understandable; "writes in a limpid style"; "lucid directions"; "a luculent oration"- Robert Burton; "pellucid prose"; "a crystal clear explanation"; "a perspicuous argument"
[adj] transmitting light; able to be seen through with clarity; "the cold crystalline water of melted snow"; "crystal clear skies"; "could see the sand on the bottom of the limpid pool"; "lucid air"; "a pellucid brook"; "transparent cristal"


Synonyms: clear, crystal clear, crystalline, limpid, lucid, luculent, perspicuous, transparent

Could Frigid not be a planet but a big block of Ice wrapped around an installation like halo?
(hence enkidu says the astronomers named it wrong)

What do you all think?

  • 05.12.2004 5:52 PM PDT
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Posted by: Zk315
domo arigato... Thank you very much, mister? Why? And why is the meta name "part's made in japan?" Maybe as Enkidu becomes more rampant, the meta tags go beserk.


dude look in the thread. Wasn't anyone paying attention? II posted the lyrics of a song from the 80's, you like history don't you? Its called Mr. Roboto by Styxx. Check it out. The Japanese parts will make sense after you read it.

I have some crazy ideas about this and whats happening. I'll post later after i see what others come up with.

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Posted by: Zk315
domo arigato... Thank you very much, mister? Why? And why is the meta name "part's made in japan?" Maybe as Enkidu becomes more rampant, the meta tags go beserk.

Parts made in Japan is from the song and I think thats just for comic releif. The thank you part though could be the insane E thanking the sane E for locating the artifact(?) I dunno. But in the song we don't know who the robot is, and in this we're not completely sure who E is either, as well as JD but this last post had E only in it so i think it refers to him more. Perhaps this starts a chain of events that causes E to realize he still cares about JD and saves him at a crucial moment?

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Posted by: Tartarus
I 'm not sure about this. Earlier the 11 powers of freedom were mentioned. Here the time is made up of three elevens. the only thing that I can think of is the ides of march or more exactly 3-11. this date is asscociated with the assasination of Julius Ceaser. OH oh... JD is going into a trap i think


I really like that idea... its meshing with my theories so far :)

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In the source code for #19, what was"green eyed gaze and stubby pencil" ?

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Green eyed gaze is the green eyed monster, a metaphor for jelousy. (last stage of rampancy)

As for the Julius Ceasar theory. It's good, except that the ides of March are on the 15th, not 11th.

[Edited on 5/12/2004 6:58:11 PM]

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This is too weird to be coincidence. When you google "green eyed gaze and stubby pencil" one of the first results is a page of poetry and there's one titled "Invasion" by Stubby, and the poetry mentions dealing with a "vermin" problem and the main character's name is JD!!! You think the authors have visited this forum??

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Thats too crazy...... someone's tapping our thoughts man!!

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ZK315, opps you are right. My bad. Ides is the 15th, not eleventh.

As far as the green eyed monster with the JD and the vermin, whats the link you found it at?

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I believe he's refering to this link:


http://www.homestead.com/library2/BearTrap.html

Oops, mabey not.. Ill read the post properly next time.

I'll shut up now!

[Edited on 5/12/2004 7:12:22 PM]

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Posted by: Tartarus
ZK315, opps you are right. My bad. Ides is the 15th, not eleventh.

As far as the green eyed monster with the JD and the vermin, whats the link you found it at?


Here you go, as I looked through the page I'm starting to think it's a coincidence though.

vermin

Hope I got the link insert right, my first time.

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Posted by: thechad2k2
I believe he's refering to this link:


http://www.homestead.com/library2/BearTrap.html

Oops, mabey not.. Ill read the post properly next time.

I'll shut up now!


That's ok, the author is the same though. But I can't find a connection that seems to fit, other than the one's mentioned already. Probably a dead end on my part.

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My theory as to why we are seeing two AI personalities:

We know that AI's choose their own name, often from a historical figure. Also AI's often see this historical figures history as their own - as Enkidu has.

I think that when Enkidu patched himself with forerunner code and entered the network two things happened.

1) Enkidu went Rampant - that's beyond doubt.

2) Part of this rampancy caused Enkidu to relate more to his past, BUT Enkidu now has two history's. A human history, and a Forerunner history. This has caused the personality split we see in the terminals.

I also think that Enkidu is beyond help. One side of Enkidu remains loyal to the humans, so the Humans will be allowed to leave Frigid... but only after they destroy the Covenant and the Flood.

On a side note, does anyone remember when the Halo 2 story starts? I think someone mentioned it.

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Looking at the vermin link makes me think that it's just a coincidence. JD is a pretty common nick. And the vermin reference is interesting, to say the least. Except, this is from the magnificent seven global gathering, which is just a bunch of fanboys writing fanfics for the TV show the Magnificeent seven. As a matter of fact, here's that fools homepage. The story in question is under M7 fanfictions. This is by no means something that anyone would know about... And I don't think Enkidu would be linked to it, especially after what it's been linked to in the past... But the fella claims "The Invasion" is a western, so maybe, by chance, the elements we're looking for are from westerns... (Don't listen to that, it's just speculation). I'm still certain that green eyed gaze is a reference to the green eyed monster (from Shakepeare if I remember correctly, maybe just used by him a few time, though), which represents jelousy. Not sure about the stubby pencil though.

And now I'm certain that Enkidu is now fighting with something within. It may be himself (split personality) or someone else. (Meta tags say thesis and antithesis - fact and well, opposite of fact, the one who fights with the thesis). We were speculationg on that earlier, but now the evidence is undiputable now. Two of them, and now they're fighting each other. But we still need to figure out what caused it. Was it simply the rampancy, or maybe another AI, or something else? I'm curious...

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At the end of First Strike, the Covenant High Prophet of Truth spoke of something that would make all the other Covenant artifacts worthless in comparison. If these terminals really are the work of Bungie, maybe the artifact buried on Frigid is what that prophet was refering to. Maybe the MC will go to Frigid at the end of Halo 2 to prevent this thing from falling into hostile hands, either Enkidu's (if I read it right he is now inside the mind of JD, who seems to be, if not a SPARTAN, at least someone special. Wouldn't that make an interesting final showdown: the MC vs. JD and Cortana vs. Enkidu) or the Covenant's, and secure or destroy it.

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I noticed something interesting. Ever since Enkidus little breakthrough of the forerunner network (entering the final stage of rampancy - jelousy). He's gone back to normal, somewhat. Looks like something inside of him began to break free. (FREEdom!) And by Terminal 21, it had mostly succeeded. The first part is sane, normal Enkidu. Just like he was back on the UNSC Lebanaon. The second is the extreme version of rampant Enkidu, serving himself only...but more extreme. (Igigi, or Anunnaki) Both, I say. So, it's posssible, that when Enkidu entered into the forerunner terminal, he bagan to become rampant, But maybe that the rampant part and regular parts have begun to split.

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Shouldn't we be focusing on the receiver of these letters? There have been several references to the receiver’s usefulness as a combatant, which leads us to think the obvious. That he's a Spartan. But, the problem here is that we do have a date on this. The passengers of the human ship were stranded before reach was destroyed. This doesn't rule out the Spartans, because I vaguely remember that all the Spartans that weren’t out on missions were recalled to hold Reach, so this could be one of those Spartans. If we can figure that out, maybe we can put it in some context.

This is all well and good; however, the bigger question is why are we being sent this? I never read anything that led me to believe that the Cortana letters had been fully deciphered, so we're still working from scratch. But we do know one thing: Someone from Bungie made this.

Now that we know this we can figure out all kinds of important stuff. It also opens up more questions. But, first things first, what can we figure out from this one fact?

1. These mock messages have a purpose or, they have some information in them.
2. The folks at Bungie are smart, so this information is more likely hidden very carefully.
3. Because of it’s hidden nature, this message is in the form of a puzzle. For every puzzle there’s a corresponding solution, and hopefully some rewarding fact comes with this solution.

Alright, we know that we have a solvable puzzle in front of us with a pot o' gold at the other end. The problem, however, with this puzzle is the fact that we don't know what form our answer is going to come in. What I've read has led me to believe that this author we're dealing with has a fairly decent understanding of different religious stories and mythologies of many different cultures and their significance to each other. And by drawing and revealing these parallels we can see a little bit into the past of the halo universe, which very well may be our pot of gold. Those of you who are light-hearted, turn back. Okay, here's what I've seen.

This Enkidu construct character throws around a lot of different names that I had to look up, most of which were references to the story of Enkidu and Gilgamesh. Enkidu is a man made out of clay by a goddess who was wild and lived with animals. Gilgamesh was the bold god-like warrior king of a human city who knew no equal in battle. They eventually meet and become good friends. How can we tie this to the new things we've read? I’m not sure yet. But while doing this research, I found a few other things out which led to some conclusions. Gilgamesh, after Enkidu died, goes on a search for a mortal dude who attained immortality by worshipping and listening to the gods and following their instructions. In fact, one of said gods (who are equally if not more complex than the Greek/roman gods in their relationships with one another) helped this now immortal dude survive a flood. THE flood in fact. The very same flood that lasted for 30 days and 30 nights and cleansed the Earth of all sinners, or, of all sentient life. Identical to the story of Noah, right on down to the animals marching two by two onto the boat.

Is it just me, or is "The Flood" a strange name for a parasitic zombie-like life form? Poetic flair? Maybe, but we can't ignore this connection. Here's what I’ve puzzled out.

The Forerunners' story is the same of that of the people who this Noah type guy lived with. They however weren't killed by rising water levels, but, ultimately, by themselves. As we know from Halo, the Forerunners had captured the flood and isolated it. But they were also wise enough to know that it might escape and they might have to fight the flood. What we don’t know is why the Forerunners could possibly want to keep something around that might destroy them. They also knew that the only effective way to kill the flood was to destroy what they ate, which is anything that is aware of its own existence. Humans, Covenant, Wookies, whatever, Halo can kill them all. Continuing, the flood escapes and the forerunners find themselves battling for their existence and for the future of the universe, so they push the big red button and format the hard drive of the universe, killing everyone. Let's assume the forerunners are as smart as we thing they are and they know that, one day, they may need to pull the trigger. Wouldn't they want a fail safe? Wouldn’t they want a Noah who is isolated with all the animals and who braves the weather for 30 days and 30 nights in order to assure the continuance of life in the universe? I answer that question with a yes.

So, the Forerunner's Noah (who might be immortal?) touches down after the flood had starved to death (or dried up) and now what? What happened to him/her/it? Here are a few ideas.

1. The Forerunners are the humans except they were “reborn” in a sense with a fresh environment and a blank memory, tabula rasa style.
2. The Forerunners were actually many different species and when they needed to pull the trigger of the "gun aimed at the head of the universe" they had their bomb shelters ready and marched on two by two or, three by 3, etc, depending upon the species, and were awakened after it was all over without the memories and technology, like #1.
3. There were no survivors and no Noah and any sentient life in existence has evolved since the Forerunners activated Halo.
3v2.0. Noah exists in the form of a Forerunner artifact that may contain any number of things, from a crazy Forerunner memory box to a tuna salad sandwich that grants immortality, and it is waiting to be awakened and/or eaten by the next tenants of the universe.

Okay, so I'm fairly sure that solution #1 is popular right now, but let’s think about it. Why would the Forerunners wipe their own memories and deny themselves of their own past culture? What does that accomplish? If I'm missing something, let me know. Solution #2 fails under similar scrutiny. The Forerunners screwed up somewhere, just how bad and whether or not they covered for it is what we need to decipher.

Solution #3 and 4 now seems to be the most plausible but we'll get back to that later.

Now that we've got the beginning under out belt, let's see if we can't connect a few more dots. From reading the halo series of books, we know that the Covenant destroy every planted inhabited by humans that they come across by firing a full barrage of plasma artillery at it until it is ruined. This is also known as "glassing". The only exception to this rule is those lucky planets with Forerunner artifacts and ruins in them. We saw this with the planet Reach. So, why is there a Halo 2? Why didn't the Covenant just glass the planet Earth and be done with it? We have to assume that there are Forerunner ruins on Earth and either nobody knows, or nobody told us, with the second being the more likely. Insert your favorite Earth government conspiracy theory here.

From that last paragraph, we’ve concluded that some major cache of forerunner tech is on Earth. Wait, you're telling me that tons of forerunner artifacts and ruins were on the very planet that the human race originated from? Is this a coincidence? Who knows? Well, for one, Joseph Staten, but he's not telling.

So, maybe there is link in between the humans and the Forerunners. So assuming that there is, the mythological name of this link would be Noah, or the same guy that Gilgamesh was looking for, the one mortal and now immortal dude. Gilgamesh was friends with Enkidu, so maybe this is what Master Chief’s purpose is, to find the immortal Noah dude (who’s real name is Utanapishtim) and find out what it has to say. The immortal dude could be represented by any number of things and that choice is up to the creative minds at Bungie. So, odds are, it’s going to be pretty cool.

In conclusion, I’d like whoever has had the patience to read this to go ahead and let me know what you think by posting here or emailing me at Tammo1@aol.com.

Phew, that was longer that I expected it to be.

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Maybe frigid is a factory planet that manufactures Halo's? It may have been the base of operations for the forerunners in that galaxy.

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I think that Enkidu is the AI for the Lebanon. (Like Cortana was the AI for the Autumn) And after contact with that terminal on Frigid, he got infected by something and went crazy.


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Posted by: Tammo1
Shouldn't we be focusing on the receiver of these letters? There have been several references to the receiver’s usefulness as a combatant, which leads us to think the obvious. That he's a Spartan. But, the problem here is that we do have a date on this. The passengers of the human ship were stranded before reach was destroyed. This doesn't rule out the Spartans, because I vaguely remember that all the Spartans that weren’t out on missions were recalled to hold Reach, so this could be one of those Spartans. If we can figure that out, maybe we can put it in some context.

This is all well and good; however, the bigger question is why are we being sent this? I never read anything that led me to believe that the Cortana letters had been fully deciphered, so we're still working from scratch. But we do know one thing: Someone from Bungie made this.

Now that we know this we can figure out all kinds of important stuff. It also opens up more questions. But, first things first, what can we figure out from this one fact?

1. These mock messages have a purpose or, they have some information in them.
2. The folks at Bungie are smart, so this information is more likely hidden very carefully.
3. Because of it’s hidden nature, this message is in the form of a puzzle. For every puzzle there’s a corresponding solution, and hopefully some rewarding fact comes with this solution.

Alright, we know that we have a solvable puzzle in front of us with a pot o' gold at the other end. The problem, however, with this puzzle is the fact that we don't know what form our answer is going to come in. What I've read has led me to believe that this author we're dealing with has a fairly decent understanding of different religious stories and mythologies of many different cultures and their significance to each other. And by drawing and revealing these parallels we can see a little bit into the past of the halo universe, which very well may be our pot of gold. Those of you who are light-hearted, turn back. Okay, here's what I've seen.

This Enkidu construct character throws around a lot of different names that I had to look up, most of which were references to the story of Enkidu and Gilgamesh. Enkidu is a man made out of clay by a goddess who was wild and lived with animals. Gilgamesh was the bold god-like warrior king of a human city who knew no equal in battle. They eventually meet and become good friends. How can we tie this to the new things we've read? I’m not sure yet. But while doing this research, I found a few other things out which led to some conclusions. Gilgamesh, after Enkidu died, goes on a search for a mortal dude who attained immortality by worshipping and listening to the gods and following their instructions. In fact, one of said gods (who are equally if not more complex than the Greek/roman gods in their relationships with one another) helped this now immortal dude survive a flood. THE flood in fact. The very same flood that lasted for 30 days and 30 nights and cleansed the Earth of all sinners, or, of all sentient life. Identical to the story of Noah, right on down to the animals marching two by two onto the boat.

Is it just me, or is "The Flood" a strange name for a parasitic zombie-like life form? Poetic flair? Maybe, but we can't ignore this connection. Here's what I’ve puzzled out.

The Forerunners' story is the same of that of the people who this Noah type guy lived with. They however weren't killed by rising water levels, but, ultimately, by themselves. As we know from Halo, the Forerunners had captured the flood and isolated it. But they were also wise enough to know that it might escape and they might have to fight the flood. What we don’t know is why the Forerunners could possibly want to keep something around that might destroy them. They also knew that the only effective way to kill the flood was to destroy what they ate, which is anything that is aware of its own existence. Humans, Covenant, Wookies, whatever, Halo can kill them all. Continuing, the flood escapes and the forerunners find themselves battling for their existence and for the future of the universe, so they push the big red button and format the hard drive of the universe, killing everyone. Let's assume the forerunners are as smart as we thing they are and they know that, one day, they may need to pull the trigger. Wouldn't they want a fail safe? Wouldn’t they want a Noah who is isolated with all the animals and who braves the weather for 30 days and 30 nights in order to assure the continuance of life in the universe? I answer that question with a yes.

So, the Forerunner's Noah (who might be immortal?) touches down after the flood had starved to death (or dried up) and now what? What happened to him/her/it? Here are a few ideas.

1. The Forerunners are the humans except they were “reborn” in a sense with a fresh environment and a blank memory, tabula rasa style.
2. The Forerunners were actually many different species and when they needed to pull the trigger of the "gun aimed at the head of the universe" they had their bomb shelters ready and marched on two by two or, three by 3, etc, depending upon the species, and were awakened after it was all over without the memories and technology, like #1.
3. There were no survivors and no Noah and any sentient life in existence has evolved since the Forerunners activated Halo.
3v2.0. Noah exists in the form of a Forerunner artifact that may contain any number of things, from a crazy Forerunner memory box to a tuna salad sandwich that grants immortality, and it is waiting to be awakened and/or eaten by the next tenants of the universe.

Okay, so I'm fairly sure that solution #1 is popular right now, but let’s think about it. Why would the Forerunners wipe their own memories and deny themselves of their own past culture? What does that accomplish? If I'm missing something, let me know. Solution #2 fails under similar scrutiny. The Forerunners screwed up somewhere, just how bad and whether or not they covered for it is what we need to decipher.

Solution #3 and 4 now seems to be the most plausible but we'll get back to that later.

Now that we've got the beginning under out belt, let's see if we can't connect a few more dots. From reading the halo series of books, we know that the Covenant destroy every planted inhabited by humans that they come across by firing a full barrage of plasma artillery at it until it is ruined. This is also known as "glassing". The only exception to this rule is those lucky planets with Forerunner artifacts and ruins in them. We saw this with the planet Reach. So, why is there a Halo 2? Why didn't the Covenant just glass the planet Earth and be done with it? We have to assume that there are Forerunner ruins on Earth and either nobody knows, or nobody told us, with the second being the more likely. Insert your favorite Earth government conspiracy theory here.

From that last paragraph, we’ve concluded that some major cache of forerunner tech is on Earth. Wait, you're telling me that tons of forerunner artifacts and ruins were on the very planet that the human race originated from? Is this a coincidence? Who knows? Well, for one, Joseph Staten, but he's not telling.

So, maybe there is link in between the humans and the Forerunners. So assuming that there is, the mythological name of this link would be Noah, or the same guy that Gilgamesh was looking for, the one mortal and now immortal dude. Gilgamesh was friends with Enkidu, so maybe this is what Master Chief’s purpose is, to find the immortal Noah dude (who’s real name is Utanapishtim) and find out what it has to say. The immortal dude could be represented by any number of things and that choice is up to the creative minds at Bungie. So, odds are, it’s going to be pretty cool.

In conclusion, I’d like whoever has had the patience to read this to go ahead and let me know what you think by posting here or emailing me at Tammo1@aol.com.

Phew, that was longer that I expected it to be.

Good thinking Tammo1. I am still trying to go over all of that. It sounds very believiable. Bungie has some crazy, dedicated, smart people. All this Halo story is making me go crazy. I do not know what to think. Bungie has turned me into a computer nerd trying to figure stuff out. There is so much to know and not enough information given. Bungie needs to quit messing with my head. I want to know the tru7h. I just hope that someday I will. If not, man, I don't know.
Nice analysis thought, I just wish I was that smart.
Hats of to you, Tammo.

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Who is Mr. Roboto? JD?

Look at Tartarus' post of the song on page 62.
I'm not a hero
I'm not a saviour
Forget what you know
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Circumstances went beyond his control
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The song seems to have the mentality a Spartan would have. If Mr. Robot is JD then this adds more evidence to JD being a Spartan.

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I am thinking that Enkidu is really something else. Hidden from his true identity. And he has a mission, that only he knows. He is keeping a lot from everyone else. There is going to be a big twist. Something that we haven't expected. I just hope that when the Enkidu messages finish, that we will all figure it out. And everything will be resolved.

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GREAT job Tammo1! Some extra connections now:

Gilgamesh, after Enkidu died, goes on a search for a mortal dude who attained immortality by worshipping and listening to the gods and following their instructions.

Does this in any way sound like... hold your breath...

you intrude in my domain. the nether realms are not for you.
...
nor are the heavens. the power is great down there. almost limitless.
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parvenus! latecomers! they seek to ride to heaven on my coat-tails.
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mortals can't be trusted. i don't trust them. they all want what i have.


A connection anyone? Perhaps the Foreruners are this 'immortal man' or have an artifact that grants immortality? I'll leave it to you.

Furthermore, if this is the case, then perhaps this is in fact a trap, as someone suggested earlier, and the sane side of Enkidu will save JD just before death, so he can continue on, and low and behold, what should then stand ahead of him but..... you guessed it! This artifact of unimaginable power!!! First off, when combined with Tammo1's theory, this fits perfectly the Gilgamesh/Enkidu myth, and it would also fit what is happening perfectly, including that it sounds plausible. I think we have a winner!

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