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Notice that the bold text constitutes the trunk of the tree. Some kind of core program perhaps?

  • 05.13.2004 6:50 AM PDT
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Alright, heres my two cents: the mention of the "anomoly" at the center of frigid set off somthing in my mind, somthing that took a while to dawn on me: wasnt somthing along these lines brought up in passing in the Cortana letters? somthing like "a black sun, but shining brightly, with creatures crawling in its firey tracks." now, i dont know what stage in continuity that the cortana letters were supposed to have occured, but perhaps before frigid was even built? yes, built. i belive that, frigid was built to either house this anomoly, as one post said, or to generate it for study.the meta tags in the Terminal say somthing about "Hypermassive objects". now, what is supposed to be hypermassive, and considered to be black? a black hole. now befor you kill this idea, i know that a black hole would absorb everything around it, Frigid, humans, covies, it dosnt matter, theyre all equally absorbable. (bungie-esque line tie-in huh) but perhaps it is one that is synthetic, for a paticular use. now, isnt one of the current theorys that a black hole can be used to travel to other dimensions? now, i dont profess to know about physics, but perhaps this is what Enkidnu is talking about. now, hanging around a black hole cannot be fun, so it might be considered "the dark scary place." also, dark matter might be another possibility, but i have no knowledge about that, so i wont speculate about it. i hope my thoughts arnt too disorganised.

  • 05.13.2004 7:17 AM PDT
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Has anyone noticed that in Halo CE when the flood is released the ring world environment starts producing natural weather patterns i.e snow, ice... and this new place has frozen over and the Flood have also been found to inhabit this place...? Is there any connection???

FYI (Pellucid.. I dont think the name of the planet or whatever it is is this, I think E is stating that Quote "Pellucid. Ha. It's all clear to me now." end qoute means he understands what he has found i.e "clear to me now".

  • 05.13.2004 7:21 AM PDT
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interesting point zoom.

i think buck is correct with the correlation with the eppic of gilgamesh and what happens in the story and what happens here.

the question becomes - who are they facing (that humba or what ever - covies? or somthing else).. and what happens with the 11 dimensions of freedom.. do flood escape.. do humans escape? or is it used to some how stop the flood on the installation - before it happens (String theory?).

man - this is well written. cannot wait to find out what this is all about.

  • 05.13.2004 7:35 AM PDT
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[color=white]Just to drop in my two cents here.. I never understood why the Covenant hate the humans so much, believeing they're the ones worthy of the Forerunners' knowledge.. when, in fact, (as Tammo1 said) the humans originated on a planet with Covenant technology.

And also.. this Enkidu/Foreunner AI happens to like the humans. Granted, not like them enough to keep them on "Frigid", just enough to say that the Flood and Covenant are the enemies, and not the humans included. I just.. wish someone would clarify where they got their religious bullcrap. I mean, really![/color]

  • 05.13.2004 8:04 AM PDT
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Well my guess is its a forerunner article that enables travel through all 11 dimensions. I meantioned this a few pages ago, but I'll back it up a bit now. For those who have read First Strike, there is a massive cavern that the covenant were searching for on reach. (located under the spartans old training base) In this cavern the walls and floors etc, were affected by forces that disorientated space as well as flawless "projections" lining the surfaces. This is where Dr. Halsey and the spartans discovered the artifact. This artifact also prevented grav lifts and such from working and made it nearly impossible for ships to take off. If this is another, bigger artifact, would it not have the same effect? I see it as being like this... Frigid is hollow with this artifact inside it (whatever shape this artifact takes, eg the pandoras box theory) and this artifact allows travel through time, space and dimensions. I think that this is where the forerunners went, or came from originally. Thats why Enkidu in one of his forms, is so desperate to get access to this power, and in so doing become godlike in the way of the forerunners....

Any questions?

*sigh*

  • 05.13.2004 8:13 AM PDT
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Posted by: MasterZoom
Has anyone noticed that in Halo CE when the flood is released the ring world environment starts producing natural weather patterns i.e snow, ice... and this new place has frozen over and the Flood have also been found to inhabit this place...? Is there any connection???




To me, that (and all of the Frigid as a ring world theories) seems improbable, due to the fact that if the place was frozen over, as you say, the amount of ice that you would have to drill through to get to the tunnels would be enormous - they call Frigid a planet, giving it certain size parameters - at least the size of Pluto, probably - and so for a crashed ship, this is no easy task. It also says that they are exploring buildings in "Whether", so unless the ice was selective, again, not likely.



My guess as to what the dark place is? When the Lebanon first sees the Covenant ship, it has to initiate article 2 of the Cole Protocol, whiping clear it's starbanks, but also its AI. Now, Enkidu says that he severely compresses himself for the trip to Frigid. So that could definately be the dark place he was talking about - no information, not enough memory, etc. (look at terminals 2-4)

  • 05.13.2004 8:18 AM PDT
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Posted by: MasterZoom
Has anyone noticed that in Halo CE when the flood is released the ring world environment starts producing natural weather patterns i.e snow, ice... and this new place has frozen over and the Flood have also been found to inhabit this place...? Is there any connection???

FYI (Pellucid.. I dont think the name of the planet or whatever it is is this, I think E is stating that Quote "Pellucid. Ha. It's all clear to me now." end qoute means he understands what he has found i.e "clear to me now".

Hey man Im sorry to point this out but Cortana was talking about how the weather was Natural not Artificial When they were going for the Control Room. That was Before the Flood was released. sorry.

  • 05.13.2004 8:24 AM PDT
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Where is everybody?

  • 05.13.2004 8:51 AM PDT
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[color=white]It's a school day for the kiddies![/color]

  • 05.13.2004 8:55 AM PDT
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Ok here is what I believe now JD is a spartan just not Master chief or any of his "group of spartans because if you go to the first book FoR and then go to Page 94 Chapter 11 and read the chapter you find that in 2525 Chief Mendez said that he had to train the "next" group of spartans I.E. More spartans and that was 12 years after MC started his training It was technically his graduation except for the MJOLNIR training and now it is 2552 which is 27 years since master chief graduated so if you take how long it took MC to graduate there at least two more groups of spartans now and some a quater of the way through training. Who else believes in this therory?




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  • 05.13.2004 9:00 AM PDT
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Hit the nail on the head with that one buddy.

  • 05.13.2004 9:02 AM PDT
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finally someone agrees

  • 05.13.2004 9:05 AM PDT
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Yeah, I ain't fighting that one. Now if we can just solve the puzzle of who Enkidu is .....

:P

  • 05.13.2004 9:10 AM PDT
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yup

I hate to say this maybe Enkidu is this spartans ai like cortana for mc and now they have come upon a forerunner ai such as in first strike and just like cortana except cortana was up against covenant technology and has begun to go crazy just like cortana. then again Enkidus name means Crazy man so who know. I shall be back around 10 ish forum time

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Posted by: Bobtomatoe
interesting point zoom.

i think buck is correct with the correlation with the eppic of gilgamesh and what happens in the story and what happens here.

the question becomes - who are they facing (that humba or what ever - covies? or somthing else).. and what happens with the 11 dimensions of freedom.. do flood escape.. do humans escape? or is it used to some how stop the flood on the installation - before it happens (String theory?).

man - this is well written. cannot wait to find out what this is all about.


when he talks about 11 dimensions he doesnt mean a multi dimensional plavce where each dimension is a diferent space altogether....... you see we exist in an 11 dimensional world.... you know 2-d......... 3-d....... 4-d welll we are 11-d......................just thought id put an end to this theory lol

  • 05.13.2004 9:17 AM PDT
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E is the ship's AI- and who is rampant.

the question is who did he merge with? what are their goals? what happened in the past to make the later scared?

  • 05.13.2004 9:24 AM PDT
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"when he talks about 11 dimensions he doesnt mean a multi dimensional plavce where each dimension is a diferent space altogether....... you see we exist in an 11 dimensional world.... you know 2-d......... 3-d....... 4-d welll we are 11-d......................just thought id put an end to this theory lol "

We Do know this. It has been explored in detail. We don't mean 11 dimensions like "lets go to dimension no 8" more like the power to harness and utilise these dimensions. Like gaining ultimate power and freedom.

  • 05.13.2004 9:28 AM PDT
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This last one makes him sound older than any of us have guessed before, besides that one guy that was talking about Marathon relations. He seems to say that he's been somewhere like this before, the 'scary place'. This goes deep.

  • 05.13.2004 9:53 AM PDT
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I agree with the space manipulation idea and here is my take on it, this anomaly or whatever it is could be either:

A) Another crystal like the one in the books. This is highly unlikely, I don't think that this is a forerunner artifact or device, something natural. The AI said that "It (the installation) was built more to study the anomaly below and to harness its unique properties."

B) Some kind of transporter/singularity? Perhaps the original point that the universe exploded from? The meta tags mention "branes" and "hypermassive objects" as well as "dizzy_electrons" I think that these things have something to do with the anomaly. It is something that can bend space and time, maybe a black hole? I know you're all trekkies, maybe its a wormhole?

Anyone else have any speculations on this?

Considering that the author will follow the alphabet and end this soon, I think that this "junction box" that Enkidu wants JD to fix is going to give him access to the anomaly.



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  • 05.13.2004 9:56 AM PDT
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This may or may not be relevant, thought I would just throw it out:

Early in 2001, cosmologists Justin Khoury and Paul Steinhardt of Princeton, another inflationary pioneer, Neil Turok of the University of Cambridge, and Ovrut put their branes to work on the big bang. By turning back the clock in string theory, they found that as our universal brane passed through its starting singularity in reverse, it went suddenly from a state of intense but finite heat and density to one that was cold, flat and mostly empty. In the process, it shed another kind of brane into the 11-dimensional gap. Run forward in time, the big bang appeared as nothing more than two branes smacking into each other like cymbals. They christened this process the ekpyrotic model, after the ancient Greek "conflagration" cosmology wherein the universe is born in and evolves from a fiery explosion.

Stolen from http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?articleID=000C55B5-C29B-1CDA -B4A8809EC588EEDF


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  • 05.13.2004 10:00 AM PDT
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Posted by: Hedwig
Who is Mr. Roboto? JD?

Look at Tartarus' post of the song on page 62.
I'm not a hero
I'm not a saviour
Forget what you know
I'm just a man whose
Circumstances went beyond his control
For doing the jobs that nobody wants to


The song seems to have the mentality a Spartan would have. If Mr. Robot is JD then this adds more evidence to JD being a Spartan.


Hedwig,

This is exactly what I was thinking. People who see the Spartans think that there are robots inside the mjolnir armor, and they are not human. They are looked upon them with awe and as epic beings or gods capable of winning the war for humanity.

However, Spartans have not been treated with an ounce of humanity. these were children ripped from their families and robbed of their childhood. Think about what this would do to a person psychologicly. then they are trained rigorously and experiemented on with sever bodily danger and made into killing machines. they are taught simple black and white thinking of "you must complete your goals always" and "you always win".

Scary huh? Well now think about some of the internal thoughts that the MC had in the books. He was beginning to show emotion about fallen comrades. He also had to make a tough decision about Sgt. Johnsons fate. Waging war on the halo had also tired him out yet he couldn't stop fighting in First Strike

This set of lines from the song are quite spooky now aren't they if they relate directly to the story? Could we be watching a story unfold about a rogue Spartan? One that actually falls to the dark side? A fallen angel so to speak that is capable of evil. Mmmm?


  • 05.13.2004 10:34 AM PDT
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I haven't read the books, nor all the posts, so if any of this has been said or brought up before, feel free to stab me in the eye with a fork.

1) If this website truly appeared on hbo (the pay channel) then who ever decided to put it up there has some pull. Other option: CrispyCyborg is the person who wrote the thing, and decided to post it here: It could also be said that crispycyborg could be Louis Wu, who posted in the news article for bungee about the "strange incursion on the bungie.org servers"

I'll be breif about the rest: I'll refer to the individual sessions or whatever as chapters;

Chapter 1) Im not deep, don't do mythology: Seems to me that this is put in there as a confusionary method. because of.....
Chapter 2) E is still standard human AI.
c 3) E indicates that there is a "very large circular portion of the day side glacier" I think this means there might be a Halo buried in the ice of fridged, also that friged might be entirly made of ice
c 4) it seems as if E liked the main charicter (JD I think) before he went psycho.
c 5) first instance of E acting a bit strange?
C6) E displays almost human qualitys, like "ttyl" and what not. Also starting to act psycho.
c7) no idea
c8) no idea
c9) fairly straight forward
c10) refrences "school book repository" and "nice little cubby holes" Talking about being a sniper/jfk refrence?
c11) First refrence to who JD's real masters are
c12) fairly straight forward
c13) JD's "freinds" (covenant/human?) open the drawer, releasing the flood. I think the "freinds" refrence could refer to JD being a spy for the covenant, but that's going a little far, don't you think?
c14) straight forward
c15) Now here is something that got me from the start: A Spartans armor is environmantal. Not effected by the environment around it. Why would a spartan need "cold weather gear".
jd is not a spartan.
c16) Mathers tells JD to "be careful about ammo missfeeds from the cold. Maybe I don't need to tell you about that "sailor". Seems to me that JD has experience a normal sailor wouldn't. Maybe he flunked out of the Spartan program or something? Flipped out and killed a superior? I don't know, just an Idea.
c17) Tells the origin of the tremors. So the machinery keeps ships from taking off, maybe as an anti-flood method? BTW: Glassed is a term that means Nuked. When you nuke a large sandy area (such as where the nukes were tested by the us in the 50's and such) the heat turns the sand into glass. Just for your info. :)
c18)"We sure could use you in your cover identity now... but that's neither here nor there." Makes me think that JD is/was a spartan traveling incognito. So Confused!
c19) E is great in this passage: "Im not an artificail stupid you know!" btw: that's sarcasim, if you didn't get it. I think the paragraph at the end is E just going nuts. I don't think anything was meant by the 11 dimensions of freedom. Confusionary tactic?
c20) 5 fronts? Human, Covie, Flood, JD, 5th = ? maybe another personality of the AI
c21)Yeah...I think this is two AI's, one that is supposed to be sending the message, and the other that is just hinking in the background. Anyone else think of Gollum here?
c22) Yeah, definitly 3 personalities here: E, the other ancient AI that made him flip out in the first place, and someone that reminds me of the little girl from "aliens" "they mostly come at night....mostly"

Anyways, here are a few other things:

I don't think this has anything to do with Halo 2.

Something tells me that the forerunners didn't build the Halo's...they just turned them into weapons. Am I wrong? I think it might have been mentioned in the library level of Halo CE.

And a few questions:

How do we know the main charicters name is JD?

Are the books any good? IM poor and would hate to waste money. :)

Well, like I said, feel free to stab me in the eye with a fork if Im retarded about this, but it's just my 2 cents.

Dee

  • 05.13.2004 10:58 AM PDT
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In response to your questions:

How do we know the main charicters name is JD?
We don't know his real name, we just named him John Doe = JD

Are the books any good? IM poor and would hate to waste money. :)
Haven't read them, you could try the library, they will usually order books if they don't already have them.

  • 05.13.2004 11:11 AM PDT
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Stabs self in eye with fork.

Im a Dumbass

"It's pronounced Dew-maas...."

  • 05.13.2004 11:16 AM PDT