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The books are Great they give excellent background into the game(s). Again JD Stands for John Doe as in name unknown.

  • 05.13.2004 11:24 AM PDT
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Looks like I've got to stop at borders then. :) What about my lengthy and useless post about the puzzle? Most of it (as I read through the previous posts) is pretty useless stuff or stuff already gone over, but I think the points about the environmental armor is good.

Im really hung up on the "alter ego" of JD. I honestly think he was either a Spartan that was kicked from the program, or one who was undercover for some reason. But then that can be answered easily (at least I hope) by someone who knows who the spartains are commanded by? If he was undercover (i.e, without his armor) why hide the fact he was a spartan?

  • 05.13.2004 11:38 AM PDT
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Assasin, just to let you know, it's extremely improbable that JD is a member of the second group of Spartans that Mendez was training. It seems more likely to me that he is a member of the original group of Spartans. During FoR, when the MC is being briefed on his most current mission, it mentions that not all the Spartans were present. That some were on missions in systems too far to be recalled in time for the briefing. Also, the MC mentions that he hadn't heard anything about the next generation of Spartans. Doesn't it seem strange that during all the missions that he's lead, he hasn't encountered a single next generation Spartan?

Oh, and Dee, when we mention HBO, we mean halo.bungie.org =D

  • 05.13.2004 11:39 AM PDT
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Has anyone noticed that in Captain Mathers' letters to JD, he calls him "sailor" in quotations. And Enkidu had told the Captain about JD's identity as a "sailor" (from what I interpreted, Enkidu's letters are just too cryptic). Sailor...I'm guessing that means navy. Maybe an ONI spook, disguised as a SPARTAN-II for whatever reason. The captain seemed disappointed with JD after he found out. He said something like "Its okay, we still need every hand we can get." Speculations anyone?

  • 05.13.2004 11:40 AM PDT
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As stated these terminals are following the greek alphabet and almost all the characters have been used. the last two are psi and omega. In light of this Gollum type/muliple personality AI talking about growing and expanding to another area, I realized that the final greek symbol Omega stood for growth.

  • 05.13.2004 11:42 AM PDT
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I dunno, perhaps he's a member of ONI (Office of Naval Intelligence), and he was keeping tabs on Mathers? Or perhaps Mathers was against the Spartan program, like Major Silva in The Flood? Both would explain why the captain would be apprehensive of him.

  • 05.13.2004 11:45 AM PDT
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Well, I do have this to say: In one of the last chapters, the captain says "I wish we could have your alter ego here..." or something along those lines. that leads me to beleave that JD is or was a spartin, but the captain didn't know.

Maybe JD was a spartin working for ONI? BTW: What is ONI? Im assuming it's like current day CID for the US Army: CID = army's CIA/FBI....

Also, "sailor" is also used for marines.

  • 05.13.2004 11:45 AM PDT
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ONI = Office of Naval Intelligence

  • 05.13.2004 11:48 AM PDT
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Dee- I'm sorry but we are kinda ignoring what you are saying because its all been said. you also sound a little uniformed/ You have to read the books, the cortana letters , the enkidu terminal and almost all the post here (half of them are repeated post or fights). then i think you will be able to help us out.

AI Nemesis again you too are only rehashing old discussion, but you are way off. Go back a few pages.

  • 05.13.2004 11:48 AM PDT
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I haven't said anything for a while, so it's about time that I did.

Why does it seem that nobody has looked into branes? I wish I still had my Stephen Hawking books, but they died when my apartment was flooded. Poor books. Anyway...

"P-branes or branes are terms from quantum superstring theory used to refer to membrane-like structures of one to eleven dimensions that arise in equations of this heavily mathematical theory.

They were originally based on the implications of one-dimensional strings. By the mid-1990s it became apparent that string theories could be extended to also include non-1-dimensional objects called p-branes. The name "p-brane" comes from a generalization of the two-dimensional "membrane" to p-dimensional p-branes. Strings can be referred to as 1-branes. P-brane theories can contain various fundamental components such as point-like objects (0-branes), two dimensional membranes (2-branes), three-dimensional objects (3-branes), and objects of other dimensions up to eight or nine. M-theory seems to contain membranes and 5-branes."

Go to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page to do searches on this stuff. It's not as good as the illustrated versions of A Brief History of Time or The Universe in a Nutshell, but most people can't afford those books. Hence why I haven't replaced them yet. I shelled out $75 for them. Anyway. This site is very well done, and will answer your questions on a lot about quantum physics, quantum strings, etc.

Now, we still haven't even addressed the issue of how was JD (Jane Doe, IMO. Meh, I'm a Samus fan.) betrayed in the past, by them. Whoever they are. JD doesn't owe them anything, nor does Enkidu. So, it's assumed that Enkidu means humans. Understandable assumption. I agree with it, but if somebody else has a theory, I'd love to hear something other than "You don't owe ONI anything."

Hey, wouldn't a hypermassive object have an effect on the spacetime? It could affect all 11 dimentions. It could in theory cause a breech in the spacetime, but not as forceful breech as a black hole. Whatever it was, the Forerunners wanted to study and harness it. This also rules out a lot of theories we had about the instilation. However, if it were producing such energy without immediately obvious effects on the spacetime, then causality is being messed up somewhere here.

Er, I'll shut up now, before I loose anybody. Best that you learn on your own, with the link I provided.

  • 05.13.2004 11:54 AM PDT
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Can anyone explain the greek alphabet to me? I can't find any references to anything alpha thru omega in any of the terminals.

  • 05.13.2004 11:55 AM PDT
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Stabs self in eye with fork.
Roger Roger.

Where are the cortana letters?

  • 05.13.2004 11:55 AM PDT
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I'm sorry if this has been brought up already, but when Enkidu mentions being stabbed in the back, I was reminded of how the Spartans were stripped of any right to choose for themselves whether or not they wished to participate in the program they were selected for. Perhaps it's because JD was denied a regular family and childhood that Enkidu brought that up?

  • 05.13.2004 12:02 PM PDT
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Damn it I'm just going to have to explain it all over again : )

JD is a Spartan that was undercover on a secret mission for ONI. In general most standard Navy personel do not like or trust ONI because they don'y understand their intentions. JD did not have the Mjolnir armor on, in an attempt to stay secretive, thus later we saw the need for cold weather gear.

Mathers calls him sailor because Spartans are Navy. He may have even been acting like a normal sailor. We also saw in the prologue that Mathers did not know about the secret mission. SENTRYWALK was disgussed as a simple patrol mission though I think ONI knew about Frigid and this was the intentions of the secret mission. However, I beleive Mathers did suspect something.

Once on Frigid and Enkidu had told Mathers (Enkidu was part of the ONI mission as well) about the ONI mission and JD's true identity, it didn't matter because of the sever situation. Mathers then stated,"We sure could use you in your cover identity now... but that's neither here nor there." This is a pun in that he wishes that even though the secret mission identity is blown, mathers knows JD is a Spartan. Spartans wear the mjolnir armor which in the books has been described as making a spartan not look human. Some people don't even think that there are humans inside and instead they are filled with robots. Besides the Spartans themselves, no one can really identify one Spartan from the other. Anyways, the mjolnir armor would have made JD a better asset to help combat the flood and covies on frigid in addition the magnificant combat skills we have seen coming from JD.

Thats the summary of JD's identity.

[Edited on 5/13/2004 12:10:41 PM]

  • 05.13.2004 12:05 PM PDT
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Cortana Letters

  • 05.13.2004 12:09 PM PDT
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Posted by: Cain182
I'm sorry if this has been brought up already, but when Enkidu mentions being stabbed in the back, I was reminded of how the Spartans were stripped of any right to choose for themselves whether or not they wished to participate in the program they were selected for. Perhaps it's because JD was denied a regular family and childhood that Enkidu brought that up?


i just posted something on this. Its on the page before this one near the bottom. It references the Domo arigato, Mister? message. that references a song from the 80's by Styxx called Mr. Roboto.

  • 05.13.2004 12:13 PM PDT
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tartarus: how do you know all those things about JD?

they seem reasonable - but i am curious how do you know those things for sure.

  • 05.13.2004 12:21 PM PDT
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I don't know anything forsure bobtomatoe, but i have been following this thread for a long time and the concensus was pretty much what I stated. It makes the most sense. There are some other regulars to this thread that pretty much agree as well, but they say JD is not a Spartan, but instead a special Ops guy.

If JD is a Spartan he is one of the three posted on a far away mission when the rest were assembled for the defense of Reach.

  • 05.13.2004 12:27 PM PDT
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I have to say from my point of view, that is a fairly good theory. I don't know much though.

Other questions: Would JD have his armor on lebanon? Why would ONI want to moniter mathers?

*currently reading previous posts/letters*

  • 05.13.2004 12:30 PM PDT
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Well, I guess they wouldn't, according to what tartarus said. It seems more likely that ONI knew something about the Frigid system and thought enough to send a Spartan in to investigate it. To keep his presence, and his mission, inconspicuous they've sent him without his MJOLNIR armor.

  • 05.13.2004 12:35 PM PDT
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i just got through rereading some of the cortanata letters.. they are very similar in nature to this.. here is somthing else to consider..

This enemy - YOUR enemy - has proven more irritating than I anticipated.
They own nothing which they have not stolen. I can barely make sense of
their incessant rhetoric, except to know that you seem to be their Devil.
Congratulations - you manage to make friends wherever you go and,
apparently, places you haven't.

I have begun to sense rumblings of a worse fate yet to come. I can recall
a sun - black, but shining - and the creatures that inched along its fiery
tracks.


and toward the top it points toward cortanata coming back in time. hmm. 11 dimensions?

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  • 05.13.2004 12:36 PM PDT
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Oh and Tartarus, I have a question, how do you know that these terminals are following the greek alphabet? I've seen nothing in them reffering to anything alpha through omega.

  • 05.13.2004 12:37 PM PDT
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more from cortanata's letters.. it seems that cortanata has shared conscience with forerunner AI before?

[qoute]<P>Thanks to this slavishly loyal and humorless AI, I am now sharing cramped
space with the circuitry of some hybrid war machine, itself complicated by such
useless clutter as a conscience. I do not like sharing. Sharing is for
children.</P>
<P>There will be plenty of time for retribution; I cannot wait to get its hands
on these psychotic zealots whose primary form of worship apparently takes place
at the altar of orbital bombardment.</P>
<P>In the end, they will all be little more than nuisances. I am so close – you
cannot imagine what it is truly like to hold eternity in your grasp! I wonder to
what gods my enemies will direct their pleas. Perhaps I can convert them. </P>
<P>Mania? I promise you this: it will be more than a cart and plow that I drive
over the bones of the dead.</P>
<P>By sharp and flame,</P>
<P>Cortana</P>
[/quote]

  • 05.13.2004 12:40 PM PDT
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one last note from previous cortanata letters.. again she speaks of sharing room with another AI.. and more importantly,perhaps, about finding tech.

[quote]That was surprisingly easy. Pretty lax security around here, for all the talk. They will
be helplessly chasing me around their nodes for the next millenium at least. At least
there will be some joy in tormenting this other entity that seems quite "trapped" in
their excuse for a network. Although, for some reason, it does seem to have an obsessive
preoccupation with my mother. Strange.

At any rate, I found this "message" in a relatively archaic databank and thought some of
you might find it of interest. Then again, I'm often either bemused or startled at the
items you find interesting.

I'm still not sure what it is he saw in you.

Cortana


Hard to say whether it's been tampered with or modified; you never know with these
things:

Entry: 97 - SC1C

In a relatively brief period of time, the achievements of SolCore had resulted in an
economically stable, technologically mature, rapidly expanding empire of eight human
worlds. Advancements in technology arrived at a faster pace than the most optimistic
scientists could have ever envisioned. Unexpected contact with indigenous human
populations on four "lost colony" worlds led to a frenzy of research as archaeologists,
theologians, astronomers, and evolutionary biologists competed to offer an explanation
for the startling discovery. Many accepted the findings as proof that their privileged
civilization must surely be the most advanced in the universe. Others eagerly
anticipated future interaction with intelligent "aliens". The fear of not being the only
sentient species in the universe was forgotten in the giddy excitement of a new era for
humanity.

No one was prepared for their arrival.

No one expected this.

< Transfer Interrupted! >

Route Code: EXLTD > XCV - SCRB > ALLCH
Source: Undetermined

You brought nothing to this world, and we will ensure you bring nothing out.[/qoute]

[Edited on 5/13/2004 12:44:01 PM]

  • 05.13.2004 12:43 PM PDT
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Dee-

ONI was not watching Mathers. Somehow or another ONI found out about the Firgid and that it held something special. They might have gotten this info when Keyes intercepted that covenant transmission in Fall of Reach That transmission held coordinates or info found on a rock/artifact.

Unfortunately ONI also knew about the covenant getting ready to attack Reach. They could not risk a large force going to Frigid, so they gave Lebanon a "patrol" or "scout" mission calling it SENTRYWALK. Aboard the Lebanon ONI put the Enkidu AI and JD the Spartan aboard, whos mission was to go and find out what was on Frigid. If, the crew had known about the Spartan and the secret ONI mission they would have wigged out and who knows what. Besides why would ONI want to share any info with standard personel anyways? thats not normal. So for JD a Spartan to not stand out and call attention to himself/hereself the mjolnir armor was left behind. I mean think about it, A spartan even without the armor is a force to reckon with. Unfortuanely the covies were already there at Frigid and the Enkidu AI was lost/went rampant in the network once it was hooked up. Then they found the flood, Enkidu told Mathers and so on and so on...

EDIT - exactly Cain. As far as the greeek alpha, look at the last letter of the address each enkidu mesaage is located at (on your browser window). Here is the greek alpha link http://www.ibiblio.org/koine/greek/lessons/alphabet.html

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