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Posted by: Abolitionofman

There is much more that i have on that theory about how the Covenant were eventually created and rebelled. And how the Forerunner possibly even created the primitive human. Anyway I'm sure none of you are interseted on that for this topic.
Thats it for me happy huntin guys.


I would be interested in the part of humans, that could be based upon certain structures like crop circles(eriely[sp] similar to the symbols in Halo, structures that are perfect and would not be able to be built if it were not for "help" i.e. the pyramids. But where is earth's Halo?

The forerunners worship and use of light makes me think of a Luciferian link. Lucifer means the light bearer and worshipers have been called the "enlightened ones". Convenat are because their weapons are based on light could represent this too. John 117 could be teh recliamer/ savior i.e like Jesus. Bungie apparently has a fixation with putting biblical references in the games... just wondering.

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Msg Pierce-
Yeah i kinda think that is definately a Library references you found there. The "crude embedded message" in the Enkidu terminal that mentioned the book repository was in reference also to the Library as well as JFK events. Definately yes, Its all about the Library.


What also adds to the library references is the title of the message, "Shhh! Inside Voices, Please". You have to be quiet in a library.

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... John 117 could be teh recliamer/ savior i.e like Jesus. Bungie apparently has a fixation with putting biblical references in the games... just wondering.

Kind of an interesting concept if you actually look up John 1:1-7 (KJV of course)

In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

And the light shineth in the darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.

This scripture is referencing the coming of John the Baptist who fortold the coming of Jesus Christ.

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Ok I'm gunna lay out the multi personality disorder Enkidu seems to be going through.
I'l list off the Terminals that are sent or interupted by "Enkidu"


***Incoming Message From Enkidu***
The real Enkidu before he he goes rampart and enters the system
iii- General Quaters
Informs crew they are in batlle with a Covenant firgate.
2. Packing and Unpacking
Tells JD he is compacting himself and getting ready to leave the Lebanon
3. Shore Left
On route to Frigid with Lt. Demerias.
4. Whether Forecast
Is going into some sort of RF network (this is where belive the ditiriation begins).

Signed Enkidu
The Enkidu after entering the system, situation gets worse seems to be detached from his normal subroutines. This is probably a cause from annalizing the Foreruner network and results in over using his memory.
6. It's a Cold Day Here in Hell
(Incoming Message From Anonymous rather than Enidu) Finds his new neighbourhood isn't friendly but a paragraph later says it's 'roomy' . Starts to be mouthy.
7. How I Spent Your Summer Vaction
(again set as Anonymous) beginning to sound 'evil' and sometimes speaks in riddles. Now refers to the Covenant as "Friends"
10. [i[If You Thought I Was In Pain Before[/i]
Increasingly bitter and snappy, he begins to throw around JD as if he were a tool (much likt 343)

Signed "E"
(Mostly written in Itallic) Becoming very, very vain. Has no respect for JDn interupts him a lot and consistantly uses him as one of his tools reminds me highly of 343 or perhaps this is another Forerunner "Caretaker"
ii. Amendment Request
Catches JD snooping through files. Gets aggricated and makes refrences to his mom...
5. A Blast From The Past
Re-writes the Epic of Gilgamesh. Says "Pleasant Dreams" which certianly sounds like something 343 would say.
8.You Have 49 Unread Messages
Covenant sends a threating message. E gets aggrivated by this and urgently asks what JD is going to do about it
9. Sit(down)uaion Report
Capt. Marthers tell JD that Enkidu is unstable now (like he didnt already know). E gets very frustrated and squelches the message saying hes not unstable.
11. Damage. Control.
Says he has "taken a liking" to JD and sends him on another errand and tells him not to dally and that he wouldnt like that. (he is becoming increasingly pushy and threatening)


That it for now.
First off I think there are some aspects of Enkidu left even though there seems to be at least three versions of him.
The second Enkidu seems to be very direct and aggrivated with JD's friends and seemon content with sending JD into danger and watching JD addapt and interact.
Lastly I think that the thrid Enkidu "E" is actually a mixture of two AIs or programs. One is infact the original Human Enkidu and the other.. well perhaps it is a Forerunner AI or a another construct. The way E talks and acts now sounds very similar to how 343 on Halo had acted on Halo. ie. asking questions, being pushy, giving orders, studying and even being joyful at watching things kill eachother. But there is still some of the original Enkdu in there keeping this new "Rampart AI" on the same side. ie. keeping blast doors open for the marines and trying to flush out JD's "friends". Enkidu always used to call the Covenat, "the Covenant" but since the merge the new construct refers to them as his friends. So possibly Enkidu is deteriating even more than we anticipated.

Sorry if that was hard to read which I'm sure it was. Please ask questions if something needs to be clariyfied. Thats it for me guys. Happy Huntin

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Perhaps AIs naturally become power hungry after coming in contact with the forerunner data systems, seeing as how powerful they can be and how much data they contain. This would explain 343GS's demeanor, as well as Cortana's, and possibly even Enkidu's. Considering that 343GS appeared to go even more power hungry in The Maw when he gained control of human history.

[Edited on 5/7/2004 9:03:40 AM]

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Ekim Zip- perhaps Earth's Halo was Earth itself (like maybe what ha happened on Frigid)... I mean Atlantis could be a perfect example... maybe after the creationg of the primitive Human, the Forerunner realized that they had come very much closer but they still had the time to create yet another species. Knowing that the humans were not a threat (they could barely comminicate) they left them on the planet to inhabbit. and flooded their installation on Earth. Each artifact directs the holder to a different location. So perhaps the crystals are meant to lead whoever finds it to different locations.

I know that way off topic but I enjoy debating about that kindat stuff.

But Bungie aparently does like to make bibical refrences as you had said. I personally tried to look up other Spartans. such as Joshua or Samuel but i came up with now such luck (their Spartan designations are in Halo: TFoR and Halo: FS)

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Posted by: Ekim Zep
Okay, his a little of the Maraton terminal link but I have noticed something while i was revisting the transcripts of the levels on HBO Please read and I will explain below:

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343 GUILTY SPARK:

(pauses) More or less. Technically, this installation's pulse has a maximum effective radius of twenty-five thousand light years. But, once the others follow suit, this galaxy will be quite devoid of life, or at least any life with sufficient biomass to sustain the flood. (pause) But you already knew that. I mean, how couldn't you?

343 GUILTY SPARK:

Last time, you asked me, if it was my choice, would I do it? Having considerable time to ponder your query, my answer has not changed.

(Master Chief takes Cortana's disk out of the console, and inserts it into his head.)

343 GUILTY SPARK:

There is no choice. We must activate the ring.
343 GUILTY SPARK:

If you are unwilling to help, I will simply find another. Still, I must have the index. Give your construct to me, or I will be forced to take her from you.
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Now the last time Halo was fired, it was about 100,000 years ago. My question is, why is 343GS telling John 117 that:[this galaxy will be quite devoid of life, or at least any life with sufficient biomass to sustain the flood. (pause) But you already knew that. I mean, how couldn't you?] and then right after this line comes this: [Last time, you asked me, if it was my choice, would I do it? Having considerable time to ponder your query, my answer has not changed.]

343 GS is telling us that someone similar to John 117 was the one that initiated the index and proceeded with defence protocols. Also, 343GS states that last time you (person from the last firing) asked if it was 343 GS choice. This raises some questions for me, sorry if my argument is weak but I am new at this.

Now 100,000 years is the equivilent of a blink of an eye in regards to Human evolution. At 100,000 years in the past we had just started to walk upright and if the first firing did take place the earth must have been destroyed. If this happened then were did the humans come from? This to me is conflicting iformation, please respond.


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  • 05.07.2004 9:19 AM PDT
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it never says that is was 100000 years ago. It could have been billions, for all we know. 100,000 was just someones guess.

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Good point.... i have read somewhere it being mentioned as 100,000 years; no millions or billions or trillions.

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Actually 343 himself says its was 101,000 years ago....

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I like beer..............lol i just had to say that

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Okay, first off, I still don't believe that Halo was fired. While there is still evidence, I dunno. I still believe that it's a selective weapon, destroying not the planet, but the biomass life on said planet that would support. At the very least, I don't think that all the Halos were destroyed.

Also, Earth doesn't necessarially need a Halo. It might have an installation (there are hints out there) but not a Halo. Of course, knowing Bungie, the instilation might be on the moon, or might... Well, nevermind.

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Posted by: focused7
... John 117 could be teh recliamer/ savior i.e like Jesus. Bungie apparently has a fixation with putting biblical references in the games... just wondering.

Kind of an interesting concept if you actually look up John 1:1-7 (KJV of course)

In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

And the light shineth in the darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.

This scripture is referencing the coming of John the Baptist who fortold the coming of Jesus Christ.



Thank you for pointing that out. I always knew that name and number sounded so familar. It fits in perfectly with the story and the reclaimer fact. If, in fact, Master Chief is some sort of... preempted messiah that leads to the Forerunners being found?

Interesting....

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Posted by: Shifty
Actually 343 himself says its was 101,000 years ago....


There we go if all sentient life, not the planets, were destroyed where would the monkeys from which man evolved from be....they'd be dead hence man would not come to pass.

Back to the Enkindu log, I think that there is some correlation between Halo and Marathon check this excerpt from MBO:

Oct 13, 1995
The Marathon 2: Durandal (Demo) is officially out. The Demo terminal text and other story information will be added shortly. Relevant to the Marathon Story is the following text blurb from Bungie's web site.

Fresh from your triumph on the starship Marathon,
you are seized by the rogue computer Durandal to do
his bidding in a distant part of the galaxy. Within
the ruins of an ancient civilization, you must seek
the remnants of a lost clan and uncover their
long-buried secrets. Battle opponents ancient and
terrible, with sophisticated weapons and devious
strategies, all the while struggling to escape the

This sounds like Ekindel and JD or even the Master Cheif

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now, this is in reply to the flood stuff: why would the Forerunners have chosen Installation 04 as the SINGLE containment unit of the flood? with this line of thinking, the other installations would contain either : A.) More Flood; or B.) Other forerunner created/imprisoned/stuided...etc creatures. now, as far as i can tell, all the stuff that we are discussing has happened BEFORE the MC destroyed the Halo. What was the year that MC blew up the Halo? Perhaps the flow of time and what we have discovered will help. what I'm thinking is this: if the installation that the marines and covenant are on, and ekidnu seems to be in semi-control of, contains flood, why would the covenant fall into the same situation some years later? this might kill the flood theory. just some *rampant* speculation (bad joke, sorry).

EDIT: woohoo, i just found something cool. i checked the letters that the Ekidnu letters end in (Ex..../ekidnu_m.html) and found out this: the letters all correspond to the Greek alphabet! not a single one of the letters is out of this bit, so i have some idea as to what the next ones will be. this is the website that helped me: http://www.ibiblio.org/koine/greek/lessons/alphabet.html

the letters that i got were: A, B, G, D, E, Z, H, TH, I, K, L, M now before you shoot this idea down over the letter H, check the sign for Eta. since there already was an E, the sign was used. now, following this example the next letters should be: N, X, O, P, R, S, T, U, F, C, PS, W. i hope this is not a repost of an old idea. i faintly remember something along these lines, but i believe that i may have extended it. also, check the Upper and Lowercase columns and the equivalency columns for something i may have missed. i think that this may also be going off of the equivalency's. good luck decoding this.

[Edited on 5/7/2004 12:39:51 PM]

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Posted by: MSg Pierce
What was the year that MC blew up the Halo?


The year was 2552. He spent a little over 76 hours 18 minutes 56 seconds on HALO, since the landing of UNSC personnel.

[Edited on 5/7/2004 12:40:55 PM]

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thanks for the timeline, i missed that part... :P

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There has been some debate about what exactly happened to humans when the halo was set off some 100,000 years ago and how the facts about humans fit in with the halo story. So first I researched the evolutionary history of humans and here is what I found:

At the time of 100,000 years ago modern humans had only emerged as a species of their own. As our ancestors painted cave walls in europe, a relative, neanderthals, were still alive at our side. Neanderthals are believed to have appeared around some 130,000 years before us. Another relative, Home erectus, was a bit more distant but appeared some time around 1.8 million years ago. They had many qualities much like ourselves and could use toolsfire and possibly even used speech. -blam!- erectus is probably the form that we evolved from as a species known as -blam!- heidelbergensis displays traits of both erectus and modern humans. They appeared around 500,000 years ago.

I then remembered an interesting part in the Cortana Letters. Its from Letter #5 and was found on the Myth:TFL CD. Cortana is quoted as she talks about a message found in an "archaic databank":
Hard to say whether it's been tampered with or modified; you never know with these things:

Entry: 97 - SC1C

In a relatively brief period of time, the achievements of SolCore had resulted in an economically stable, technologically mature, rapidly expanding empire of eight human worlds. Advancements in technology arrived at a faster pace than the most optimistic scientists could have ever envisioned. Unexpected contact with indigenous human populations on four "lost colony" worlds led to a frenzy of research as archaeologists, theologians, astronomers, and evolutionary biologists competed to offer an explanation for the startling discovery. Many accepted the findings as proof that their privileged civilization must surely be the most advanced in the universe. Others eagerly anticipated future interaction with intelligent "aliens". The fear of not being the only sentient species in the universe was forgotten in the giddy excitement of a new era for
humanity.

No one was prepared for their arrival.

No one expected this.


So whats the deal? The real world evidence shows that humans evolved on earth, but if this data bank is correct, somehow humans ended up on other planets. they also refer to the humans on these planets as indigenous or more basicly, natives that originated on these planets. Is this some kind of allegory found in the halo story about the debate soncerning evolutionary and creation science?

It says a bunch of experts tried to explain how this was so and the term "lost colony" was used. It also says that there were "four" of these worlds that held human populations on them. Draw a comparison to this fact that there are also four halo installations that we know about as well.

So, did we colonize these planets and then loose touch with them between the years of 2004 (i'll use this year even though we can't even get to mars) and 2517 (the start of the book, The Fall of Reach)? If this is so then during this period human kind would have had to progress to a certain level of ability to colonize another planet and then slip back into a type of "dark age" where they lost all technological progress and knowledge they had accumulated. This slump back would also have to be so severe that no history was even recorded for the lost lost colonies. However if this were the case and it was this severe, then all prior history would have been lost as well.

If we look at The Fall of Reach we see that this is not so. The Master Chief is taught by the AI Deja, all of earth's history in his training as a boy. 343GS also finds earth history aboard the PoA. Human history was intact.

We could also conclude that if such a severe slump in human advancement occured to the point that all knowledge had been lost, human kind could not have recovered to the level at which it was in the year 2517. It would have probably taken many more years than those between 2004-2517.

So this only leaves one other conclusion, these humans were put there by forerunner in some kind of mysterious twist of events. Perhaps a Noahs ark situation occured and these humans were saved from the firing of the halo(s) in the past. We saw the story Atrathasis (http://faculty.gvsu.edu/websterm/Atrahasi.htm) and have connected it as an allegory to the Enkidu terminal.

I don't know exactly how EVERYTHING fits together but maybe someone else can pick this up where I am leaving it now. there are many holes and unanswered questions if this data bank was true. If it isn't, why wouldn't cortana have dismissed or said that it didn't line up with "known human history"?


[Edited on 5/7/2004 12:53:35 PM]

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Posted by: focused7
... John 117 could be teh recliamer/ savior i.e like Jesus. Bungie apparently has a fixation with putting biblical references in the games... just wondering.

Kind of an interesting concept if you actually look up John 1:1-7 (KJV of course)

In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

And the light shineth in the darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.

This scripture is referencing the coming of John the Baptist who fortold the coming of Jesus Christ.



Go to the link below and scroll to the bottom (last example)...

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=Forerunner

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[quote]Posted by: MSg Pierce
why would the Forerunners have chosen Installation 04 as the SINGLE containment unit of the flood? with this line of thinking, the other installations would contain either : A.) More Flood; or B.) Other forerunner created/imprisoned/stuided...etc creatures. [quote]

I don't think it would be more flood, I'd have to go with the theories that there were previous experiments in developing a new type of warrior but they turn and kill the Forerunners. This is similar to the origins devised up over the aliens in the movie series of Alien. The Aliens are also parastic and engulf the enviroment that they exsist on (like the flood), the aliens also adapt depending on the host that they have taken over(Alien 1 and 2 the aliens are more human-like because the humans that were the hosts, in Alien 3 we see the aline act like the host which is a dog. It ran on all fours) The Aliens a.k.a. xenomorphs were supposedly created by the great giant race of the space jockey[the guy in Alien 1 sitting in the giant seat next to the egg] and this biological weaponed turned on them and thats why they had to crash it on LV-426. The flood and forerunner are similar to the alien and the space jockey.

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Posted by: Proeliator
Go to the link below and scroll to the bottom (last example)...

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=Forerunner



This is what is says:

Forerunner

John the Baptist went before our Lord in this character (Mark 1:2, 3). Christ so
called (Heb. 6:20) as entering before his people into the holy place as their
head and guide.

Someone talked about the lost colonies, although I am not familar with the story of Marathon I do remember that it took place on a colony. I seriously think that Marathon took place in the middle of teh period of 2001(halo's release) to 2527. PLease let me know if I am wrong...

P.S. You guys realize that Bungie is getting a multitude of ideas from our postings....

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Shifty-

thansk for that great run down of all the Enkidu personalities. That was very helpful.

Proeliator-

Nice dictionary look up of Forerunners. I think definition 2, part a was the best:

One that comes before and indicates the approach of another; a harbinger.

A harbringer is someone that a: pioneers in or initiates a major change or b: that presages or foreshadows what is to come.

Preages is 1: something that foreshadows or portends a future event 2: warning or indication of the future. In the form of a verb it means to give an omen or warning of.

So obviously the term forerunner implies that the beings knew something about the future and the event yet to come. What could they know and are there any signs that could warn us?

I'd also like to state that the old definition for harbinger is someone that is sent ahead to provide lodgings. Weren't the flood lodged up in the halo? Mmmm?

Any input on this stuff? Anyone?


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Quez - in the control room in Two Betrayals, the planet you see is the gas giant Threshold, and the small halo is a scale representation of Installation 04. The large Halo is a detailed map of Installation 04 and it is large merely for the purpose of easily displaying information, it is not to scale.

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Ekim Zep-

Yes the alien series similarities to halo aren't a coincidence. The alien movies were a definite influence on bungie while making halo. there is infact and Alien Easter egg on the PoA. Its on a bulletin board (I forgot exactly what it was). You can also see the strongest take from the Alien series in the pilot of the Pelican. That character was almost directly taken from the moie Aliens in which there was a similar female ship pilot.

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