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Subject: Enkidu - Cortana Letters Revisted?
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Guys I am telling you that Marathon was and is a prequel, the marathon saga started: 08.30.2337.

Not just that the dates fits but MC and the Marathon hero are smiliar on look. The P'hor and convenat use similar light weapons.

Wher can I find teh Cortana Letters?

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  • 05.07.2004 1:59 PM PDT
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Bungie has roundly stated they are not the same timeline. As humans has not encountered any intelligent life before the covenate, in the halo timeline.

There is also and extensive Halo timeline on the xbox website.

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  • 05.07.2004 2:02 PM PDT
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OK, but the similarities are jsut two much look at this excerpt from the Instructiona manula for Marathon:

<Durandal> Cycle the Mirata cabin's inner door.

"-One minute to cabin decompression."
"Goddamn it!" You slam your fist in frustration onto the control board, leaving a dent. In a panic, you tear off your seat restraints and leap for the rear of the shuttle cabin. "Forty seconds to cabin decompression." You are rushing now, but you know that you have plenty of time.
You fly in zero gravity towards the locker holding your Battle Armor. You haven't worn it since you had to hunt down some Chockisens which were harassing the work teams on the fringe of the colony, almost three years ago, but training is something that you never forget. It's funny, but you've always been the colony's trouble shooter. You're bigger and stronger, and a better shot. In games, you always scored the most points and looked the hero. And now, it looks as if you're heading right into the colony's biggest crisis since it was established seven years ago.

You nimbly pull yourself into the suit- "Thirty seconds to cabin decompression" - and pull the helmet onto your head.

  • 05.07.2004 2:06 PM PDT
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Posted by: Tartarus
A harbringer is someone that a: pioneers in or initiates a major change or b: that presages or foreshadows what is to come.

Preages is 1: something that foreshadows or portends a future event 2: warning or indication of the future. In the form of a verb it means to give an omen or warning of.

So obviously the term forerunner implies that the beings knew something about the future and the event yet to come. What could they know and are there any signs that could warn us?


This could explain how they left artifacts around the galaxy (as far as Reach). They were meant to warn us of what is about to happen, knew or to lead us to a certian location, where all of this originated from. Or even our real history with the Forerunner and the Covenant alike
But this could also explain my theory about the Forerunner striving to create a perfect race... to carry on their way of life... because they foresaw their species coming to an end (by naturaal causes or otherwise) and was desperate to have someone carry on for them, for whatever their real goal was.
I know we're getting a bit off topic... but once you start you just cant stop lol.
Happy Huntin


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  • 05.07.2004 2:08 PM PDT
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im very tired so if any of this is a copy of someone else post or something like that - sorry
1) most of you seem to talk about 343 GS as being

asking questions, being pushy, giving orders, studying and even being joyful at watching things kill eachother

or

Considering that 343GS appeared to go even more power hungry in The Maw when he gained control of human history.

first quote. i never actually remember (correct me if im wrong) GS asking that many questions or making any comment on things being killed, it was just peforming its job as the AI instructed to monitor 'installation 04'. second quote. its been on his own for 100,000 years and is an AI, so of course hes going to be excited when he finds a record of all the missing time hes spent on halo, hes not power hungry, just interested.

Another thing some of you have going is that the 'lost colonys' must have been put there by the forerunner. i mean if the people of earth can evolve in the 100,000 years after the first halo firing the SO CAN OTHER GROUPS. you could also put forward the idea that i know someone else has mention about 20 pages ago (this is a slight variation) that the humans could have been there before the first halo was fired and somehow missed them. but i find that unlikely.

Anywho, living in england such as i do, im going to bed, before i fall asleep at my desk.

  • 05.07.2004 2:30 PM PDT
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Pathetic, Chris. You could stay up later than that if you tried!

Though that is an interesting point you raise concerning 343 GS: he could perhaps just be curious, rather than malevolent, as you have noted: there was some speculation raised (briefly) in the argument between Master Chief, 343 GS and Cortana when the Index was replaced as to whether or not 343 GS genuinely thought Master Chief knew what would ensue should Halo be activated... I suppose much speculation will follow. I dearly hope that 343 GS returns in Halo 2: (Indeed, he is quite likely to) his certain quirky eccentricity is unusual in a game character, and somewhat endearing: even if his true intention was to eliminate all but the most primitve life forms in the localised universe.

  • 05.07.2004 2:52 PM PDT
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Someone said a few posts back (sorry on a train of thought don't want to find out who) someone pointed out that in the adress the letter follows in the greek alphabet
Here the whole Greek alphabet .

A --- Alpha
B --- Beta
G ---Gamma
D --- Delta
E --- Elipson
Z --- Zeta
Accented E (Enkidu says H) --- Eta
Th --- Theta
I --- Iota
K --- Kappa
L --- Lamda
M --- M u
N --- Nu
Ks --- Xi
O --- Omikron
P --- Pi
R --- Rho
S --- Sigma
T --- Tau
U --- Upsilon
F --- Phi
Ch --- Chi
Ps --- Psi
Accented O --- Omega

Just FYI is all... nothing really jumping out yet, maybe some connection will come together sooner or later

  • 05.07.2004 3:05 PM PDT
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Where, specifically, are these letters located? I've looked all over the terminals and I don't see them.

  • 05.07.2004 3:19 PM PDT
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The only connection is that the word Spartan comes from the Greek city-state Sparta. I think that's the only connection we're going to find.

First that 117 thing and now the connection with Greek Spartans. That's probably just the nature of Halo kicking up again, you know, it's hard to mention Halo without the Master Chief. It's just one of thos things...

  • 05.07.2004 3:23 PM PDT
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Posted by: Scipio
Where, specifically, are these letters located? I've looked all over the terminals and I don't see them.


here you go http://halosm.bungie.org/story/cortanaletters.html

  • 05.07.2004 3:37 PM PDT
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Zk315, the Spartans weren't just Greeks, they were the greatest, best trained and hardened soldiers in all of Ancient Greece. When male babies were born in Sparta, they were checked by a government official, and if they were sickly, weak or small, they were left on a mountainside or chucked into the sea. Spartans were trained since childhood to be the ultimate soldiers and were in fact the best trained and prepared army, perhaps in all of history. The only reasons why the Spartans are considered second-rate to the Athenians was because Sparta was strictly a war based culture and did not have the population of Athens, while the Athenians were very cultured. So the term "Spartan" to describe the MC and his comrades is very symbolic.

I know this is off-topic, but I was just trying to help!

  • 05.07.2004 3:38 PM PDT
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Posted by: Tartarus
Posted by: Scipio
Where, specifically, are these letters located? I've looked all over the terminals and I don't see them.


here you go http://halosm.bungie.org/story/cortanaletters.html


Oh and here are the Enkidu ones b/c i'm not sure which you wanted: http://enkidu.bungie.org/

  • 05.07.2004 3:39 PM PDT
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Tartarus, I think he was refering to the Greek letters, which are located in the links/addresses of the different terminals.

  • 05.07.2004 3:39 PM PDT
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Nice post on the spartans mthan. did you see that special on the discovery channel too? It was all about Sparta. Though, you left one fact out about the ancient Spartan warriors... -blam!--blam!-ity was the norm between them. I guess they were away from their wives ragging war for most of the year. It kinda makes them not so neat when you think about that fact now, but I guess it made them fight harder for their "buddies" safety. = )

EDIT - I wanted to add this comment so no ones feelings get hurt... "not that there is anything wrong with that."

[Edited on 5/7/2004 4:00:42 PM]

  • 05.07.2004 3:58 PM PDT
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Actually, it wasn't just the Spartans. It was the entire ancient world. It was the norm for everyone one to have male lovers. And yeah, the stereotype for the time is that -blam!- men would fight harder for their "partners" on the field of battle. But it wasn't just military men, it was everyone. It would actually be considered wierd if you didn't have a male lover and wife. This went on all through ancient Greece and Rome, all until the HRE took over in the middle ages. Some of the most famous people did this to. Alaxander the Great, Julius Caesar, Caligula, etc, etc.

I knew all that about Spartans, I'm very well versed in history; my best subject. =D

Could this be anymore off topic?

  • 05.07.2004 4:31 PM PDT
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Yeah I kind of left that out on purpose, but you guys are right. It was promoted by the Spartan officials so that their soldiers would be more cohesive. The phalanx formations that the Spartans used required a lot of coordinated effort, and this, umm..."activity" was believed to bring the soldiers closer together. But I guess it worked.

Oh yeah, sorry if I sounded a bit like a smartass Zk315, but I figured that even if you did know, it would be nice if those who aren't as well versed in ancient history learned a bit behind the name.

[Edited on 5/7/2004 5:16:24 PM]

  • 05.07.2004 5:11 PM PDT
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You know what is funny, no one is posting because of all this homo-blam!- talkin the ancient world. I really killed the thread by bringing it all up with the Spartans didn't I? Lets talk more about what Hellen of Troy Looked like OK? =)

  • 05.07.2004 5:51 PM PDT
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Hey, everyone likes a history lesson! Especially me. I could here the same thing over and over again and still be awed by some of it. You know, we need to teach more history to our kids. (Especially those little parts that mostly get omitted from the history books because they aren't nice and don't fit into our cultural image of ourselves, things like -blam!-ness being commonplace, the conspiracy around JFK's death, how the Japanese tried to surrender before we nuked them...)

Oh no! I'm doing that thing where I veer of subject again. It happens...

Quick you fool, think of something

Oh, alright. Um...I got it!

How are you suppossed to starve the flood? They appeared out of the forerunner structure after 100,000 of dormancy. If they were still around then, how is Halo suppossed to kill "their food" and starve them. They still sound like idiot savants to me.

Which brings me to my next point. Just because people weren't advanced and the Covenant probably weren't a client race yet, doesn't mean there weren't other races out there somewhat like the forerunner. Or maybe forerunner civil war. Or they could be humanitarians. Whatever the case, they built a weapon that saved the galaxy by saving it. Which is very much what they did in Starhammer, I think. I've been reading it, but someone accidentally leaked stuff to me. Sounded like the ancient race there destroyed themselves saving the galaxy. (Starhammer is the only book that can be considered a reliable template for Halo. As a matter of fact, it was Halo before Halo was Halo or even before Halo was Blam and before it was Monkey Nutz (No joke). So much blatently came out of that book.)

  • 05.07.2004 5:52 PM PDT
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New terminal
http://enkidu.bungie.org/enkidu_n.html

[Edited on 5/7/2004 5:58:35 PM]

  • 05.07.2004 5:58 PM PDT
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Sounds an awful lot like Halo. But he talks about "files" so maybe there's some info in that place their trying to get into that Enkidu doesn't want them to know about.

  • 05.07.2004 6:00 PM PDT
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Well now Hiya guys! Im new to the forums btw well heres my theory you should see the connection.
Bungie is a very confusing place they just want to annoy the crap outta you with plot twists and Such and well from what I read Frigid is some Covenant or Forerunner place right? Well now.. Halo is a WoMD (Weapon of mass des.) But we dont know how it kill correct? According to GS it was used around 100,000 years ago If I remeber correctly around 100k years ago there was an Ice Age and the new fortress is called FRIGID so heres my idea. The forerunner kill sentient life with Cold. Though Earth was probably not close enough somehow for Halo to destroy it but just close enough to start an Ice Age so in turn the reason why they call it Frigid is because of How the Forerunner are capable of killing so many races with out even trying. Just a theory though...

  • 05.07.2004 6:01 PM PDT
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Well, I think our "weapons cache" is a contaiment facility for the flood, as well as a database for flood info. So at first they're poking around in the files at data over the biological signatures (See my signiture?), and then they come to the actual storage of the flood infection. Endiku knows it's bad, and his concern is real frantic concern. For everyone, not just him. He even says it's not a standard weapon, but something else...Flood!

This is bad, right?

  • 05.07.2004 6:10 PM PDT
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The last man on Earth sat in a room, there came a knock at the door.

Service Record

Come on, we're almost to 1,000.

  • 05.07.2004 6:12 PM PDT
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In the new terminal, Enkidu is talking to us like we are kids. Telling us that he is old, but we already knew that. He mentions that "those files aren't for you" and that "this place is really old you know". It does sound like Halo. There are files and it is old and there are drawers that we shouldn't touch. "they are for grown-ups". This does sound like GS343. Acting like he is the elder that knows everything. And that we do not know what we are doing.

  • 05.07.2004 6:18 PM PDT
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Terminal 13 is here go check it out. Oh and one word: Flood.

  • 05.07.2004 6:18 PM PDT