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Subject: The needler: suggestions to improve a horrible weapon
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Let's face it, it's the worst multiplayer weapon. some of you may say you can "school" with it. to you i say honestly, who are you trying to fool? and if you ARE actually killing a good number of people with it i say stop playing against your mother and possibly inanimate objects.

Furthermore, here are my suggestions to make this weapon better and at leat equal to other weapons in multiplayer.

first, let's identify WHY it suckks so much

1. it's rate of fire is slow and predictable.
2.it's ammo clip runs dry very quickly
3.the needles do little damage unless all of them hit and they fly so slowly that you can dodge them even if your tied to a wall
4. it's melee attack is the slowest in the game

i would like to see the needler have a ka-razy cool melee attack, now bare with me and imagine halo, exactly how the needler is now wouldn't it be cool if when you melee attacked someone, the needler gets stuck in them and drains their life until they die or kills them instantly. sounds unfair right? well the needler suckks and to equal it out you obviously now longer have the eedler (it's stuck in them) and it would be your reward for even embarrassing yourself by carrying the thing.

i would also like to see it trace enemies better or have a special damage bonus against vehicles for example

actually, my ideas are pretty crappy if you agree with them i'm surprised not too many people do

ANYWAY, lets hear some suggestions to remove this blemish from the face of halo. and make it a weapon worth using.

  • 04.25.2004 5:43 PM PDT
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Maybe when you melee someone some of the needles should stick in them, and then explode.

  • 04.25.2004 5:44 PM PDT

Yes what he said. Like if you have half a clip on it, the rest of them stick in who you melee, and explode or do their damage. And if you have one needle, it goes in, full clip all go in, etc. etc., but it should eliminate the explosion and just do the dmg, and not killing instantly, not I can see you melee, then you have a way to hold it to them and reload some more needles into the until your out of ammo THEN they die instantly, but one hit with a full clip is to easy.

  • 04.25.2004 5:47 PM PDT
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1. 30 needles per reload
2. ammo is faster when flying to enemy
3. When fully reloaded, a melee anywhere with the needler = instant kill... The needles will stick in whoever you meleed and explode...
4. More ammo overall... Like twice as much...

  • 04.25.2004 5:48 PM PDT
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Posted by: Lord Folken
Maybe when you melee someone some of the needles should stick in them, and then explode.


That would be cool, but the needler would be much better if it had more ammo, the needles moved faster, much faster, and they traced better. I still wouldn't use it though, i would like to see a really heavy machine gun. Almost like the one on the warthog, but less mini-gunish. I would want it to have a good amount of ammo, 100-150, loud as hell, and fired about as fast as the neddler.

  • 04.25.2004 5:50 PM PDT

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First of all, the Needler is only a bad weapon if you don't know how to use it. So quit your -blam!-in'! If you don't like it, or don't know how to use it, DON'T USE IT! There's plenty of other weapons. I think the Needler is fine the way it is. It may help to have a bigger clip/max carriage size, but its not needed.

And slow RoF? More like second best RoF. The only other thing that could beat it is the Plasma Pistol, and thats if someone has a super-quick trigger finger. Plasma Rifle isn't as fast.

But its fine. And most of the people that say they own with it is because they probably do own with it. Don't throw insults at them or the people that got owned by them. I'd use it more often, but since I'm a sniper, and I usually play at the Gulch, I go with sniper/AR combo.

  • 04.25.2004 6:22 PM PDT
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i like the needler the way it is. and umm one problem with your melee attack idea. if the needles stick, their going to explode and hurt you too

  • 04.25.2004 6:43 PM PDT
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They would explode after about 2 seconds first of all and it would be an internal explosion only damaging him and i like the needler cool weapon but i don't use it much.

  • 04.25.2004 6:54 PM PDT
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Posted by: Peck
Let's face it, it's the worst multiplayer weapon. some of you may say you can "school" with it. to you i say honestly, who are you trying to fool?


i beg to differ. the needler is the ultimate noob-killing machine for halo PC online play. they will just stand there as the purple spines rip into their flesh. and bungie doesnt need your suggestions for the needler, they have already said 'it will be a weapon to be sought after'

  • 04.25.2004 7:01 PM PDT
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ZThe needler owns, Shut

  • 04.25.2004 7:17 PM PDT
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you have to know how to use this weapon correctly. what do you do try it from long distance, soundin like a liberal here. you have to draw your enemy in to use it efficiently. otherwise they can just doge it, this tactic works well on battle creek, didn't you see the halo national championships on g4, if you didn't, watch it

  • 04.25.2004 7:28 PM PDT
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ur idea for making awsome mellee is f**k**g stupid its a freeking awsome weapon in close combat

  • 04.25.2004 7:31 PM PDT
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i my self think thet its a stupid wepon but if i could modifie it, ide make all the needles go back in the gun and come out the front a large nedle sword like the eleits have

  • 04.25.2004 7:36 PM PDT
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i agree with Shai Hulud "if you dont know how to use it dont and also dont diss it" i use it when ever i can i love the fast kills and if you think it shoots slow go hold down the trigger with it!!! the clip is perfect for 1 person to make 3 nice booms.

  • 04.25.2004 7:44 PM PDT
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well i rock with the needler
i kill about 3 people at a time on battle creek with it
you just have to know how to use it
the worst gun is the plasma pistol (when up against other weapons)
unless your a great power shot

  • 04.25.2004 7:49 PM PDT
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CaptianM dont say the worst gun cause they all have good abilities like the plasma pistol i shoot there sheild down then shoot as fast as i can all most insta kill.

  • 04.25.2004 7:54 PM PDT
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ok ok not the worst gun
but when your up against 2 foes online you can only kill one then get killed by the other

  • 04.25.2004 7:59 PM PDT
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wait the power shot then a wacking is the best way to kill with the plasma pistol

  • 04.25.2004 8:03 PM PDT
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i like the needler. it just had a small clip, and the needles flew too slow. otherwise it was great. as for the melee needles... didn't i already post something like that some time ago? anyone remember that?

also, i think it would be a little better if the needles did damage as they hit you. don't you think having a needle that size stuck in your face or belly would hurt even a little?

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  • 04.25.2004 8:12 PM PDT
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Any gun is only as good as the user.

Does the gun suck or is that you?

Learn to use it then you can complain.

  • 04.25.2004 8:15 PM PDT
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I nearly always use the needler and my friends always say its lame so im not complaining.
I usually just fire all at once switch to pistol/shootgun and ill my enemy.
But this works best when the opponent hasn't seen you.

  • 04.25.2004 11:27 PM PDT
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on of the funnest ways to kill someone is when they are on battle creek
in one of the sniper rifle spawn points
you get the needler near bye and sneek up on them climb the ladder
and get point blank while they are trying to snipe someone and
go buck wild on their a$$

  • 04.25.2004 11:33 PM PDT
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It's funny, lately, whevever I play some Halo, I try to use the Needler. And you know what? It's a pretty damn fun gun. Along with that, if you know how to use it, it can actually serve a purpose.

It's always fun to fill a whole clip of purple needles in a Grunt and watch him play puppet with himself

  • 04.25.2004 11:46 PM PDT
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when you play close quarters level on mp
with a needler you can get triple kills or higher
iver goten 5 kills in a row once but my friend nocked my controller out of my hand out of
anger

  • 04.25.2004 11:48 PM PDT

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The neddler will get better with dual wielding. That is a faster rate of fire and twice as many for clip size.

  • 04.26.2004 12:04 AM PDT

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