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Subject: ODST looks dated??

Well i think that the best games have a mix of graphics and story
ex, Crysis was a horable game but had unbeatable graphics
gears has ok graphics but poorly told story
halo has a good story and passable graphics

  • 07.20.2009 2:14 PM PDT

Here’s what Luke had to say about the differences in treatment between the Spartans and Elites in Reach:

“Instead of piece-by-piece customization like the Spartans, Elite customization is a full model swap with models selected from the various Elite classes appearing throughout the Campaign. There are all kinds of reasons for this, not the least of which is our continued emphasis on the Spartan as your identity in Reach.”

Posted by: Irc WindDragon
*No game can beat Wacraft, Starcraft or Diablo in lore or storyline*

Alien Vs Predator 2 for storyline
And for Starcraft? Look up Warhammer 40,000.

  • 07.20.2009 2:16 PM PDT

MAI ROFLCOPTER GOES SOI SOI SOI SOI SOI!!!

well they did have a year...and usually (by what ive seen from the past halo games and other series of games) it takes about a year standard to make a alright story line but bungie was double tasking with Halo Wars and Halo 3:ODST so they might have thought "Well lets just work on the story line and use the same engine and graphics from Halo 3

too the rest of you...seriously halo 3 is a fun game, the graphics arent meant to be realistic, theyre (from what i think) meant to be enjoyable and fun to watch....and yes i do have ADHD so that might play a factor but that doesnt matter

  • 07.20.2009 2:26 PM PDT

THE DARK RETURNS WINTER '09.

Posted by: MeOwZeRz
well they did have a year...and usually (by what ive seen from the past halo games and other series of games) it takes about a year standard to make a alright story line but bungie was double tasking with Halo Wars and Halo 3:ODST so they might have thought "Well lets just work on the story line and use the same engine and graphics from Halo 3

too the rest of you...seriously halo 3 is a fun game, the graphics arent meant to be realistic, theyre (from what i think) meant to be enjoyable and fun to watch....and yes i do have ADHD so that might play a factor but that doesnt matter


I agree with most of what you said, remember though bungie didnt work on halo wars, that was Ensemble.

  • 07.20.2009 2:39 PM PDT

get out of here stalker

I still play old games (Starcraft and Banjo Kazooie! WOOT!) And they don't have very pretty graphics. When I first got the 360 I was awed by the graphical capabilities. I didn't care if it didn't look slightly unrealistic. I cared about gameplay. And the gameplay was great. I hope ODST's is too.

  • 07.20.2009 2:46 PM PDT

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Posted by: Irc WindDragon
*No game can beat Wacraft, Starcraft or Diablo in lore or storyline*

Alien Vs Predator 2 for storyline
And for Starcraft? Look up Warhammer 40,000.

If we're going to talk story lines, look at the Lord of the Rings as well. And I'm not talking just the movies. Read the actual books. Especially the Silmarillion. Tolkien created an entire world with a history.

I'm not saying Warhammer 40k doesn't have a good storyline, I'm just saying LOTR is another series with an amazing story.

  • 07.20.2009 3:55 PM PDT

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Posted by: RifleMan Joe
Posted by: Striped Dragon
Halo 3: http://www.aolcdn.com/ch_gamedaily/ftr_halo-3-guns_ss1.jpg

Crysis: http://www6.incrysis.com/screenshots/236bh.jpg

They were released a few months apart, and you think Halo's are top notch?

Oops. I meant they aren't top notch. They are good, but not great. Amazing how pointless an argument sounds when leave out a few letters.
Well thanks to it's "great graphics" most people i know can't run the game on their 1 year old computer
And Crysis still manages to knock my socks off even today.

Yea, I can't wait to see what will come out in the next ten years for the PC.

EDIT TO Halo12325:
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2287/1578660004_5cd31ecbfe.jpg ?v=0
Crysis has far better graphics than Halo 3, partly due to the technological limits the Xbox 360 presents.

  • 07.20.2009 3:55 PM PDT

Would you dance for it?

It kinda does.

Even though it is on an old engine I be Bungie will be able to disguise it using effects and other eyecandy.

The physics engine it where ODST will really suffer/

  • 07.20.2009 4:32 PM PDT

Tom Achronos
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"I have no words that would do justice to the atrocities you commit to the English language, as well as your continued assaults on the concepts of basic literacy and logical reasoning."

Just to help everybody's creation of facts to support their own viewpoint - the announcement trailer was pretty much an early version of the engine Halo 3 used. There were two primary differences that most users notice and are likely talking about.

The first is the texture used for the Chief's armor is different in the shipping game. The second was that the reflection in the visor was not a real reflection like in the trailer.

If you mean something else, that's fine, but you should elaborate, and just be aware that if you don't, when you say "expecting it to look like the announcement trailer", everybody assumes you're complaining about the textures on the chief rather than something else.

Please continue your regularly scheduled argument about graphics without bring up specific things you find lacking or find better in other games. :)

Posted by: Badd0g360
I was expecting Halo 3 to look like the first trailer they showed..

  • 07.20.2009 4:50 PM PDT

...Love, love is a blind man's game, you have to look around to know where you are...

Achronos wow just amazing can't get a better explanation than that.

No, im not being a suck up its the truth read it again

  • 07.20.2009 5:02 PM PDT

Every time you say something is old your dick shrinks.

I dont like the new graphics in games i wish games lookd like they had Graphics from the N64:D that great blocky look

  • 07.20.2009 5:07 PM PDT

Jerad Harry

Posted by: Achronos
Just to help everybody's creation of facts to support their own viewpoint - the announcement trailer was pretty much an early version of the engine Halo 3 used. There were two primary differences that most users notice and are likely talking about.

The first is the texture used for the Chief's armor is different in the shipping game. The second was that the reflection in the visor was not a real reflection like in the trailer.

If you mean something else, that's fine, but you should elaborate, and just be aware that if you don't, when you say "expecting it to look like the announcement trailer", everybody assumes you're complaining about the textures on the chief rather than something else.

Please continue your regularly scheduled argument about graphics without bring up specific things you find lacking or find better in other games. :)

Posted by: Badd0g360
I was expecting Halo 3 to look like the first trailer they showed..


OWNED!!!

  • 07.20.2009 5:12 PM PDT

THE DARK RETURNS WINTER '09.

Posted by: Badd0g360
Posted by: jeradh
Posted by: Achronos
Just to help everybody's creation of facts to support their own viewpoint - the announcement trailer was pretty much an early version of the engine Halo 3 used. There were two primary differences that most users notice and are likely talking about.

The first is the texture used for the Chief's armor is different in the shipping game. The second was that the reflection in the visor was not a real reflection like in the trailer.

If you mean something else, that's fine, but you should elaborate, and just be aware that if you don't, when you say "expecting it to look like the announcement trailer", everybody assumes you're complaining about the textures on the chief rather than something else.

Please continue your regularly scheduled argument about graphics without bring up specific things you find lacking or find better in other games. :)

Posted by: Badd0g360
I was expecting Halo 3 to look like the first trailer they showed..


OWNED!!!


That doesen't change the fact that the game looks bad.


So you are one that agrees with the article that they have always not been that great? Because as far as the 360 goes at least, its hard to find better graphics imo.

  • 07.20.2009 5:17 PM PDT

THE DARK RETURNS WINTER '09.

I cant say i agree with you saying its a bad console there.
Dont mean to talk trash, but i cant help but laugh when you say you dont like the console, and 360 is in your name ;p

  • 07.20.2009 5:23 PM PDT

Jerad Harry

what are you talking about? Video game graphics have come A LONG way in 15 years. Remeber the N64? Sega Genesis? I remeber thinking those were SICK graphics, but the graphics in Halo3 are AMAZING. AMAZING in every halo game. I'm not sure whats wrong with you, but maybe you just need to get a better tv? I dont even have an HD tv and Halo has AWSOME graphics. Before you say anything else just take a look at this video:

Halo 3 Scenery

and

Halo 2 Scenery

Oh and one more video for those who think Halos graphics suck Link

[Edited on 07.20.2009 5:26 PM PDT]

  • 07.20.2009 5:24 PM PDT
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Argumentum ad populum

Posted by: im1st2die
Achronos wow just amazing can't get a better explanation than that.

No, im not being a suck up its the truth read it again
Your still being a suck up.

  • 07.20.2009 5:24 PM PDT

"Apparently people don't like the truth, but I do like it; I like it because it upsets a lot of people. If you show them enough times that their arguments are bull-blam!-, then maybe just once, one of them will say, 'Oh! Wait a minute I was wrong.' I live for that happening. Rare, I assure you."-Lemmy of Motorhead

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Posted by: Badd0g360
Posted by: Achronos
Just to help everybody's creation of facts to support their own viewpoint - the announcement trailer was pretty much an early version of the engine Halo 3 used. There were two primary differences that most users notice and are likely talking about.

The first is the texture used for the Chief's armor is different in the shipping game. The second was that the reflection in the visor was not a real reflection like in the trailer.

If you mean something else, that's fine, but you should elaborate, and just be aware that if you don't, when you say "expecting it to look like the announcement trailer", everybody assumes you're complaining about the textures on the chief rather than something else.

Please continue your regularly scheduled argument about graphics without bring up specific things you find lacking or find better in other games. :)

Posted by: Badd0g360
I was expecting Halo 3 to look like the first trailer they showed..


What made you guys to change the textures on Master Chief?

Did you guys at Bungie decide to make the change because it was too much work or because Xbox 360 couldn't handle it?

I think the environments in Halo 3 looks good ( except the water ) but the characters,weapons and vehicles doesen't look so good.

I know that you have a budget and that you need to choose carefully what you're going to spend your money on.
Could it be that you didn't have enough money to improve the textures in the game?
Real time reflection would have taken too much on the CPU. If you had 16 Spartans doign that in a match with several other objects with the same thing, the framerate would be incredibly slow because it needs to keep rendering all the stuff in each visor. and object using it. So Bungie used cube maps instead to give the effect of reflection. I suppose they didn't want master chiefs visor to look like a bathroom mirror, either.

The texture is a change that the art guys felt was better. It's more green, it's more Master Chief. It also suited better into the enviroments. It isn't too much work because it was already done. Or that it hurt the Xbox. Although more detail is visible in the original, it just isn't master chief and I'm pretty sure the detailed still carried over but is less noticeable. It's the same geometry, too.

ODST seems to have a few shader improvements and lighting.

  • 07.20.2009 5:28 PM PDT

THE DARK RETURNS WINTER '09.

Posted by: Badd0g360
Posted by: Darksim007
I cant say i agree with you saying its a bad console there.
Dont mean to talk trash, but i cant help but laugh when you say you dont like the console, and 360 is in your name ;p


Hahaha

I can understand that but what I ment was that Xbox 360 breaks all the time. I've had my 360 repaired 7 times in 2 years, -blam!- quality.

Edit: I dont change my gamertag because it costs money.


I have honestly never had a problem with my 360's. And i have owned 3 of them.

  • 07.20.2009 5:40 PM PDT
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Posted by: Galcian420
Graphics make up the game? So that's why I tried out Sonic Unleashed, was disgusted, and booted up Sonic 3. Good logic.

As for those franchises, only Warcraft has any kind of extensive lore. And the only reason it has so much lore is, well, because they've had 4 games and multiple expansions over the course of 15 years to do it. Go play Mass Effect and come back here and say 1 single Warcraft/Starcraft/Diablo game has more lore in it.


How can you say diablo has little lore and the same for starcraft, they have more novels and source material put into them then warcraft. (Though because of World of Warcraft it is catching up) Blizzard always supports thier games with a ton of back story and give them a real sense of history and as for graphics I prefer Starcraft to Halo Wars. (Yes I do love Blizzard but am also a huge Bungie fan they both make high quality games) Mass Effect has a TON of ingame lore, but Diablo has more in general.

  • 07.20.2009 5:51 PM PDT