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Subject: the H3 BR is perfectly balanced

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The BR is perfect.

The AR sucks too much at any mild distance, and rapes too easily up close.

  • 07.21.2009 10:26 AM PDT

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im not going into it again
Fine. That doesnt change the fact that the OP still has no actual support besides your word.

  • 07.21.2009 10:28 AM PDT

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Posted by: Hylebos
Arguing isn't going to do much good, and I do think that the BR is pretty well balanced in Halo 3, just overused.

Lets see what Bungie does though, eh?

  • 07.21.2009 10:40 AM PDT

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Posted by: mubox47
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ok heres the bottom line OP

20 pages...20 pages of people argueing with you...obviously theres a lot of people that like the status quo


its not changing
First post of yours i found in my thread. It disproves nothing, because in those twenty pages multiple people agreed that the BR should be altered.


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Posted by: Iron Rust Bucket
I think most people seemed to have missed the point of what people dislike about the BR. I like the BR but it's a bit weired that the BR can beat the AR at ANY range. Please don't tell me the AR beats the BR at close range, using a BR I can beat most AR users even at point blank range. I'm not saying tone down the BR's long range awesomness, but at least give the AR a chance at the closer ranges.


the AR beats the BR in its intended range

unless youre using nades

and then well...thats just balance...skillful play should always trump the "safe bet"

just bcuz youre in close range doesnt mean it should be a strictly who shot who first scenario
There's another. Again, it does not prove my OP has failed logic.

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Posted by: Chief Jaden
The BR fills the neccessary roll of being the most useful weapon in the game...which is not a good thing.


yes it is...halo has always had a utilitarian weapon

Every gun should be considered for use. Not just the BR...and the power weapons.

then give those weapons a use or make them more efficient at the use they already serve

the answer is not to nerf the BR
Same as the last one.

exactly

what needed to be said was just said

halo 3 already crossed teh line and upset a lot of people when they nerfed the mid range weapon...and yet you want more

unacceptable
Because removing the BR would make everyone not buy the game and never play it, instantly killing all of Halo. . .


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Posted by: Zl0rfik
A great way to nerf the battle rifle is to make it only accurate when you're scoped in. Thus, at close range, it will be overcome by other weapons more suited for that kind of combat, such as the assault rifle. The battle rifle will still be useful at mid-range, but considerably less of a power weapon and more of a specialised tool. Same goes for the carbine.


and this is why i make alt accounts

noobs try to ruin the game for me so i might aswell try to return the favour
Wow, really proved a lot there.

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BK 45s you mean?


My ratio is higher than most generals' kill/death -_-
You are clearly trying to start a flame war. Not going to work.



you were a commander grade 2 and a colonel grade 3

your scraped by in LWs by spraying and being horrible
Now you start insulting people, and you have proved nothing.

Then you had a "QFT X2"

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together, all of you AR wielding staff captains will cry so much about getting 4-shotted by a br that you will end up ruining the balanced gameplay of the game, in turn ruining the whole concept of halo itself.

(really, the AR is already overpowering at short range. Why do you want it to be even longer distance AND take away its spread? Talk about equalling the playing field)
The BR is not balanced. It is simply the best weapon in the game. It's good for almost any situation.


well its a utilitarian weapon...so ya

its perfectly balanced..maybe underpowered in halo 3

it will suffice in the adjacent ranges but will fail more often than not to the the more specified weapons
That was your last one in all my thread. You have not proven my OP to be full of flaws like you claimed to.

  • 07.21.2009 10:40 AM PDT

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Posted by: mubox47
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im not going into it again
Fine. That doesnt change the fact that the OP still has no actual support besides your word.


fine

but atleast i didnt base my points on false information about how prior games where balanced
At least i based mine on information. And, for the last time, you never proved my information to be false. I quoted all of your replies i could find, and none proved me wrong.

  • 07.21.2009 10:43 AM PDT

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lets try not to act like children, Guyz!

  • 07.21.2009 10:50 AM PDT
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The point about it being balanced is based on opinion. People will have different views on how the game should be played.

  • 07.21.2009 10:52 AM PDT

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Posted by: SweetTRIX
Your confusing the term "balance" in relation to an FPS game. The BR is the most usefull weapon in the game, hands down. The only weapon that is at least semi-effective at all ranges. Add to that the fact that there are little to no area's where a sniper can capitolize on it's range boost over the BR and you edge out it's advantage.

The BR is too good a weapon compared to the rest of Halo 3's lineup, and that is easilly proveable as to how many can be "pro" due to that weapon.


its not effective at all ranges...it is utterly useless in melee range and extreme long range against those ranges specified weapons

pros are amazing with all weapons...ive played triggers down in MLG and beat them and lost 50-10 in bungie vs the world AR spawns regicide vs them


DId you read my post? At all? There are few instances where the snipers range comes into play. most maps with those large fields of view have obstructions and limited fireing lanes, once again, limiting the snipers advantage over the BR.

I'll say this again, the BR is the most well rounded weapon in the game, the most usefull. If this wasn't true it would not be used by so many, it would not be constantly begged for by so many and it would not be consistently forced down our throats in so many game types. I agree that there are situational weapons that beat out the BR in their specialized field, but once again (and please read this time) those instances are few and far between. In typical gameplay the BR is far too effective, and not balanced for the current weapon set.

Ask anyone who has been around since Halo CE, the BR in Halo2 streamlined the gameplay, simplified it. The learning curve was flattened because all you need to be consistently dangerous is a single weapon. This is not balance.

  • 07.21.2009 11:00 AM PDT

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as far as the "oh you get too many BR kills vs other weapon kills"

this is true but its not the BR's fault....the BR takes up all the mid range niche...theres no other weapon...while in CQC you have a multitude of weapons spreading out your CQC kills

so in reality the TOD stats are skewed bcuz your CQC kills are spread out over multiple weapons while your mid range kills are all lumped onto the BR
Flawless point.

Oh, and I think that the weapons sandbox needs some tweaking. Make everything capable of operating at midrange. Now, that doesn't mean we will get Shotgun kills at midrange, it just means that the pellets would travel to mid and long range so with enough skill at aiming, you could de-scope a sniper or BR guy.

Just make everything more versatile, and people will stop relying so much on the BR.

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  • 07.21.2009 11:00 AM PDT
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a BR is the best weapon in halo3!

  • 07.21.2009 11:06 AM PDT

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Your confusing the term "balance" in relation to an FPS game. The BR is the most usefull weapon in the game, hands down. The only weapon that is at least semi-effective at all ranges. Add to that the fact that there are little to no area's where a sniper can capitolize on it's range boost over the BR and you edge out it's advantage.

The BR is too good a weapon compared to the rest of Halo 3's lineup, and that is easilly proveable as to how many can be "pro" due to that weapon.


its not effective at all ranges...it is utterly useless in melee range and extreme long range against those ranges specified weapons

pros are amazing with all weapons...ive played triggers down in MLG and beat them and lost 50-10 in bungie vs the world AR spawns regicide vs them


DId you read my post? At all? There are few instances where the snipers range comes into play. most maps with those large fields of view have obstructions and limited fireing lanes, once again, limiting the snipers advantage over the BR.

I'll say this again, the BR is the most well rounded weapon in the game, the most usefull. If this wasn't true it would not be used by so many, it would not be constantly begged for by so many and it would not be consistently forced down our throats in so many game types. I agree that there are situational weapons that beat out the BR in their specialized field, but once again (and please read this time) those instances are few and far between. In typical gameplay the BR is far too effective, and not balanced for the current weapon set.

Ask anyone who has been around since Halo CE, the BR in Halo2 streamlined the gameplay, simplified it. The learning curve was flattened because all you need to be consistently dangerous is a single weapon. This is not balance.


did you read the OP?...at all

the only reason the BR is overused is bcuz it is the only mid range weapon in an FPS

FPS are always going to be predominantly played a mid range...your logic of its used a lot so its overpowered is flawed


You've got it backwards friend, it's not overpowered because it's used a lot, it's used a lot because it's overly usefull. Please read the damn post. You call my logic flawed and then say something stupid like the BR is the only mid-range weapon (carbine anyone?), c'mon now. I use the rifle often, for the same reason that many others do, because it is the most usefull weapon in the game across most common situations. This takes into account both weapon balance and map design.

So for the last time, since you consistently ignore the point, the BR is not balanced for Halo3 gameplay. If it was you would notice a great mixture of weapon use, but you don't. People will stay in situations that allow them to capitolize on their BR, because it's so effective.

  • 07.21.2009 11:17 AM PDT
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That's how it is with the BR for me. It's the same freaking weapon all the time. BR BR BR BR BR BR BR BR!

Yes, it is a good weapon, but it gets repetative. Atleast they could reskin it.

The problem with presenting more weapons that are like a BR, is that it won't matter what gun you use then, they are all the same, only different skins. Bungie would need to be innovative and stuff, but it's not easy presenting a new weapon in a prequel, as it won't be in the sequels.

They had the Plasma Freeze in Halo CE. The needler is really fun and original, the Plasma Pistol has its uses, drop shields, stop vehicles.

Get more effects in there that could counter the BR, and I'd be a happy man. Well, I'll be a happy man anyway.

Or just have less BRs on the maps. Even though people are going to cry.

  • 07.21.2009 11:49 AM PDT

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facepalm

i really dont know how to explain this to you anymore clearly than i already have...maybe i should mail you a pop up book

yes the carbine is also mid range but it is not even on most maps and even the maps it is on...its often ignored bcuz it is more or less just a reskinned BR


Reskinned BR? How do you figure? The BR is more common and heavily favored between the two because it's easier to use, 3-round burst vs single shot.

for all intents and purposes the BR is the only mid range weapon...now with that in mind remember than halo 3 is a first person shooter...the game is going to be centered around mid range combat

now you have a game that is centered around mid range combat with only one mid range weapon...obviously its going to be used a lot


Quite the interestion OPINION you have here. A very funny one actually, being as without the BR/Carbine, there would not be mid-range weapon group, even by your own account. That being said how could this be assumed of all FPS games, when not all of them follow this model? Once again, the emphasis on the mid-range game is due to the available weapons, it has nothing to do with it being an FPS.

now as far as balance goes...a weapon that is skill required has to have a higher ceiling of effectiveness than the more simplistic weapons...thats FPS balance 101

Since when has the BR been a high skill weapon? You don't need to be great to be effictive with it, that's it's draw.

if bungie made every weapon just as effective as the rest there would be no reason to master the more skill required weapons...everyone would just stick to the easiest to use weapons bcuz they would be just as effective

Funny you say this because this is exactly what has happened with the BR in Halo, it is one of the easiest and most effective weapons in the game, as such many people continue to use it and only it.

your idea of gameplay balance literally makes no sense at all

Insult me all you want dude (the pop-up book crack was cute), that doesn't take away from the fact that your arguement is your opinion. Everything I've said is based off of a ton of community feedback and debate. Whether you want to believe it or not i've been in more of these BR threads than day's you've had this b.net account. I've even changed by POV on the subject as time has gone by because of people presenting solid arguements that are backed up by more than their own personal feelings.

Power and effectiveness do not equal balance, that is the bottom line. You want to keep spouting out FPS are predominantly mid-range games, but Halo wasn't like that until the BR came about, so you tell me was the BR balanced for Halo, or has Halo been changed to suit the BR?

Keep taking shots at my "flawed logic", most of what you say shows very little experience and very little insight to anything outside of your scope of preference.

  • 07.21.2009 11:49 AM PDT

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the BR is not balanced for Halo3 gameplay. If it was you would notice a great mixture of weapon use, but you don't. People will stay in situations that allow them to capitolize on their BR, because it's so effective.

this is the part that really makes me shake my head

you dont notice a lot of weapons being used bcuz they are ALL CQC WEAPONS AND THE GAME IS CENTERED ON MID RANGE COMBAT


if there was a bunch of mid range weapons you would see tons of weapon variety


Then why aren't there nearly as many kills with Carbines as there are with BR's on maps which have both available? Please explain, I look forward to it.

  • 07.21.2009 11:51 AM PDT

The BR would be balanced if it wasn't the starting weapon.

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Posted by: Avian005
The BR would be balanced if it wasn't the starting weapon.


I agree, that is prolly the closest it will being balance, if it was only a pickup weapon.

  • 07.21.2009 11:54 AM PDT

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Posted by: Avian005
The BR would be balanced if it wasn't the starting weapon.


I agree, that is prolly the closest it will being balance, if it was only a pickup weapon.
Exactly, and that way people would use more of the other weapons, like the Carbine, sword, shotgun, and even dual-wield. Halo 3's MP feels too much like MLG, I want to play Halo 3 like when it first launched. I even want the old melee system back too, so people won't just rush in with the AR, shoot a few shots, and then bash some one in the face.

  • 07.21.2009 11:57 AM PDT