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Subject: the H3 BR is perfectly balanced

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Posted by: Naqser
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Posted by: Naqser
Eat 20 strawberries every day for a year, and you'll eventually get tired of them.

That's how it is with the BR for me. It's the same freaking weapon all the time. BR BR BR BR BR BR BR BR!

Yes, it is a good weapon, but it gets repetative. Atleast they could reskin it.

The problem with presenting more weapons that are like a BR, is that it won't matter what gun you use then, they are all the same, only different skins. Bungie would need to be innovative and stuff, but it's not easy presenting a new weapon in a prequel, as it won't be in the sequels.

They had the Plasma Freeze in Halo CE. The needler is really fun and original, the Plasma Pistol has its uses, drop shields, stop vehicles.

Get more effects in there that could counter the BR, and I'd be a happy man. Well, I'll be a happy man anyway.

Or just have less BRs on the maps. Even though people are going to cry.


if you want less BR you need more mid range weapons

you cant just remove the BR...bcuz then youre removing mid range combat


Didn't you read or didn't you understand?

If you think you understood, please do explain what you think I said.


He's been doing the same thing to me the whole time, i'm convinced he isn't reading.

  • 07.21.2009 1:52 PM PDT
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No matter if there was a BR or not, there would be the next best thing that would be exploited by pros. In which case would later be whined about by bk's on b.net.

  • 07.21.2009 1:54 PM PDT

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Posted by: xCr0SSh4irSx v1
No matter if there was a BR or not, there would be the next best thing that would be exploited by pros. In which case would later be whined about by bk's on b.net.


This is true, but that does not take away from the face that it is nowhere near perfectly balanced.

  • 07.21.2009 2:01 PM PDT

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All the BR-bashing is surprising......... Am I the only one who thinks the Laser is the worst weapon in H3 and needs sorting?

  • 07.21.2009 2:03 PM PDT

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All the BR-bashing is surprising......... Am I the only one who thinks the Laser is the worst weapon in H3 and needs sorting?


I'm not so much bashing the BR as I am the belief that it is perfectly balanced for Halo3. The laser somewhat falls under this category as well, though it is quite a bit more limited by it's ammo capacity, ROF, and the "lead light", it could definately benefit from a little tuning.

  • 07.21.2009 2:26 PM PDT

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Posted by: xCr0SSh4irSx v1
No matter if there was a BR or not, there would be the next best thing that would be exploited by pros. In which case would later be whined about by bk's on b.net.


This is true, but that does not take away from the face that it is nowhere near perfectly balanced.


this is all opinions

IMO halo gameplay is perfectly balanced when it revolves around a utilitarian weapon

while you enjoy boring linear weapon systems


Dude, get a grip, I have said at least 3 times on this thread that I use the BR, this isn't about my preference or yours, your title, your thread is about balance, and the BR is not balanced against Halo3's weapons. Does that mean it sucks, depends on who you ask.

Preference does not equal balance. It's insane how many responses you've posted to different people that show you don't read what they say.

  • 07.21.2009 2:43 PM PDT

I am of an open mind and I am willing to hear criticism. Also: That's stupid and you're stupid.

I like the BR, but if it has to remain in the game and as a Primary Weapon, I would prefer it shoot single shot weakened bursts when scoped. That's just what I would like to see.

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Posted by: SweetTRIX
Posted by: xCr0SSh4irSx v1
No matter if there was a BR or not, there would be the next best thing that would be exploited by pros. In which case would later be whined about by bk's on b.net.


This is true, but that does not take away from the face that it is nowhere near perfectly balanced.


this is all opinions

IMO halo gameplay is perfectly balanced when it revolves around a utilitarian weapon

while you enjoy boring linear weapon systems


IMO practicing your BR and getting better is not boring. Every weapon in the game has potential if you use it right. Just look at the plasma pistol. For example, if your opponent has a BR and your dual wielding a plasma pistol and a human pistol the advantage is in your favor. I think the sniper rifle is a very well balanced weapon (depending on your skill) as well.

  • 07.21.2009 3:00 PM PDT

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Posted by: SweetTRIX
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Posted by: SweetTRIX
Posted by: xCr0SSh4irSx v1
No matter if there was a BR or not, there would be the next best thing that would be exploited by pros. In which case would later be whined about by bk's on b.net.


This is true, but that does not take away from the face that it is nowhere near perfectly balanced.


this is all opinions

IMO halo gameplay is perfectly balanced when it revolves around a utilitarian weapon

while you enjoy boring linear weapon systems


Dude, get a grip, I have said at least 3 times on this thread that I use the BR, this isn't about my preference or yours, your title, your thread is about balance, and the BR is not balanced against Halo3's weapons. Does that mean it sucks, depends on who you ask.

Preference does not equal balance. It's insane how many responses you've posted to different people that show you don't read what they say.


i think it is perfectly balanced....thats my opinion you cant change that

you want the BR to be something that it is not....i like it the way it is

and it is about preference...i prefer the BR as a utilitarian weapon...you prefer it(eventho its never been this and hopefully never will be)as just a mid range weapon

you want rigid old school FPS...i want halo gameplay, as it is now


Fixed.

At least you are finally acknowledging that this whole thing is your opinion/preference. But you still haven't gotten me pegged quite yet. I believe every weapon should have it's place, that there should not be a "one weapon to rule them all". I am a huge fan of Halo CE gameplay, I loved Halo2 until the BR became heavily exploited (PP/BR combo, spawn camping/trapping) and I was a huge fan of Halo3 until the BR was once again heavily exploited (spawn trapping/camping). These issues are further bolstered by making BR spawns the norm. I'm fine with it in Hardcore, but it should not be typical, it shouldn't be forced down everyones throat.

As long as the weapon exists with the current weapon set, with similar maps and spawn systems, it will remain unbalanced. I'll still happily use one when I see it, as I believe that a player should be able to kill with any weapon given in most scenarios.

  • 07.21.2009 3:13 PM PDT

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(spawn trapping/camping). These issues are further bolstered by making BR spawns the norm

oh wow

oh wowowow

thats the only positive i take from AR spawns...the ease at which i can spawn trap the other team

how your logic can get so twisted boggles my mind


BR's contribute to it more than they prevent it, talk to any of the high level MLG players, or even high level Halo players, it's a very common tactic and one that is heavily reliant on the BR on most maps.

I'm fine with it in Hardcore, but it should not be typical, it shouldn't be forced down everyones throat.


oh gawd

gawd please help this poor kid


you do realise that we are discussing halo 3...right?

halo 3 is one of if not the most noob friendly online games OF ALL TIME...and youre saying its pushing "hardcore" gameplay down our throats?

that is laughable


I'm talking about the Hardcore playlist (is it no longer called that?), you keep insulting me yet you still don't know how to read, interesting. . .

  • 07.21.2009 3:48 PM PDT

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(spawn trapping/camping). These issues are further bolstered by making BR spawns the norm

oh wow

oh wowowow

thats the only positive i take from AR spawns...the ease at which i can spawn trap the other team

how your logic can get so twisted boggles my mind


BR's contribute to it more than they prevent it, talk to any of the high level MLG players, or even high level Halo players, it's a very common tactic and one that is heavily reliant on the BR on most maps.


ya but its way worse in AR spawn games bcuz the spawners cant do jack -blam!- but constantly die and quit out

BR spawns lessen spawn killing...that is a fact

you spawn you ping the spawn camper you move out


Uhhh, doesn't always work that way chief, the camper still has the advantage as it takes the spawnee time to acclimate and figure out where he is being shot from. If you let the other team snag all the BR's on the map, and now your paying for it, sucks to be you and your team, but BR spawns offer an advantage right off the bat, depending on the player.

  • 07.21.2009 3:54 PM PDT
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Br beats everything except the instant kill guns.

The only times a br loses is, Mauler at melee range, shotgun at melee range, sword at melee range, Rockets with someone who knows how to use them, and could never beat sniper against someone who knows how to use it.

Br is overpowered, The reason its overpowered is because its considered a normal weapon instead of a power weapon. Its spread across the map.

Anyone who disagrees doesn't know how to use them.

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the vast majority of this game is designed specifically for FPS retards

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  • 07.21.2009 4:52 PM PDT

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ya but its way worse in AR spawn games bcuz the spawners cant do jack -blam!- but constantly die and quit out

BR spawns lessen spawn killing...that is a fact

you spawn you ping the spawn camper you move out[/quote]

Uhhh, doesn't always work that way chief, the camper still has the advantage as it takes the spawnee time to acclimate and figure out where he is being shot from. If you let the other team snag all the BR's on the map, and now your paying for it, sucks to be you and your team, but BR spawns offer an advantage right off the bat, depending on the player.[/quote]

WTF are you talking about?



As i've come to see it, apparently far more that your capable of understanding.

  • 07.21.2009 5:19 PM PDT

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We need more mid-ranged weapons. I'm sure the minds at Bungie can come up with a multitude of weapons that all behave differently yet can still effectively fill the same niche that the Battle Rifle is in.

There are a lot of the CQC weapons in Halo 3, no doubt. I feel they need to be alter so they are more versatile and can fill in a greater role in combat. Hopefully some of the current close-ranged weapons will get an overhaul in Reach too, like the Needler did in Halo 3. I'd love to see the Plasma Rifle become a useful rifle again and not just a club to bash players with.

  • 07.21.2009 5:27 PM PDT
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Hey OP!
No chance that you're a typical hyper-opinionated multi-account troll who can't get over how awesome he thinks he is?

....Nope, no chance at all...


inb4 sad rank/ gamerscore/ join date/ kill-death ratio insult.

  • 07.21.2009 6:07 PM PDT

Every weapons has at least one flaw... it's user...

Posted by: ODST is a SCAM
ok so theres 5 ranges

melee range-close range-mid range-long range-extreme long range

the BR is a mid range weapon that will suffice in the adjacent ranges(close and long range)but is useless in the further ends of the range spectrum(melee and extreme long)

that is perfect balance...the BR is meant for mid range but will give you a chance in close and long range vs close and long range weapons respectively

example....the BR will give you a chance vs an AR in close range and a sniper at long range....not a guaranteed win not a guaranteed lose

thats perfect...it leaves the gameplay flexible and makes sure it never becomes a rigid who has the better gun rock paper scissors match

but its not overpowered bcuz in the further ranges from the BR it will give you a guaranteed death

examples-in melee range vs a sword(or shotgun hammer mauler)you will will lose if you have a BR...same goes for extreme long range vs a sniper or laser


as far as the "oh you get too many BR kills vs other weapon kills"

this is true but its not the BR's fault....the BR takes up all the mid range niche...theres no other weapon...while in CQC you have a multitude of weapons spreading out your CQC kills

so in reality the TOD stats are skewed bcuz your CQC kills are spread out over multiple weapons while your mid range kills are all lumped onto the BR


OP the argument is good except for the fact that "extreme long rang" is not inaccessible to the BR. you say that in an "extreme long range" case that the BR will loose but i have seen this disproved time and time again on large maps such as Valhalla, Sandtrap, and Avalanche.

I also like how most of the weapons that you can sight that give you a chance against the BR are power weapons, and you only sight these weapons when they are being used in an appropriate environment e.x. sword close range or your "melee range"

One of the biggest problems posed by the BR is the fact that is so versatile. It is good close, mid, and long range. other problems stem from its power. (4 head shots or 6-7 body shots). another factor is the fact that it is a starting weapon. The clip size allows for multiple kills w/o reload.

So the basic argument against the BR is that its too good. its not so good that its unbeatable, but its damn close.

  • 07.21.2009 6:10 PM PDT

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ok so theres 5 ranges

melee range-close range-mid range-long range-extreme long range

the BR is a mid range weapon that will suffice in the adjacent ranges(close and long range)but is useless in the further ends of the range spectrum(melee and extreme long)

that is perfect balance...the BR is meant for mid range but will give you a chance in close and long range vs close and long range weapons respectively

example....the BR will give you a chance vs an AR in close range and a sniper at long range....not a guaranteed win not a guaranteed lose

thats perfect...it leaves the gameplay flexible and makes sure it never becomes a rigid who has the better gun rock paper scissors match

but its not overpowered bcuz in the further ranges from the BR it will give you a guaranteed death

examples-in melee range vs a sword(or shotgun hammer mauler)you will will lose if you have a BR...same goes for extreme long range vs a sniper or laser


as far as the "oh you get too many BR kills vs other weapon kills"

this is true but its not the BR's fault....the BR takes up all the mid range niche...theres no other weapon...while in CQC you have a multitude of weapons spreading out your CQC kills

so in reality the TOD stats are skewed bcuz your CQC kills are spread out over multiple weapons while your mid range kills are all lumped onto the BR


OP the argument is good except for the fact that "extreme long rang" is not inaccessible to the BR. you say that in an "extreme long range" case that the BR will loose but i have seen this disproved time and time again on large maps such as Valhalla, Sandtrap, and Avalanche.

I also like how most of the weapons that you can sight that give you a chance against the BR are power weapons, and you only sight these weapons when they are being used in an appropriate environment e.x. sword close range or your "melee range"

One of the biggest problems posed by the BR is the fact that is so versatile. It is good close, mid, and long range. other problems stem from its power. (4 head shots or 6-7 body shots). another factor is the fact that it is a starting weapon. The clip size allows for multiple kills w/o reload.

So the basic argument against the BR is that its too good. its not so good that its unbeatable, but its damn close.


Well said.

  • 07.21.2009 6:44 PM PDT