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Posted by: Jiggly Luv
Posted by: SweetTRIX
Actually your swinging around your own ignorance with your post and your statement. If you claim it's the other weapons that are simply to weak, then the BR is still an imbalanced weapon for the Halo3 weapon set. It is pretty damn stupid to think the ONE weapon that "is right" in your opinion isn't imbalanced against the rest.
That's the same elitist attitude that get so many pissed off in this world. The "one" way is right even though it doesn't jive with the others, that is arrogance my friend. You fall into the same category as the OP, you are not reading what the valid arguements are saying, it doesn't matter how good or useful the BR is, it is not balanced for Halo3 play.That's fine if that's the way you look at it. However, when you balance a shooter, you must balance everything: long-range, mid-range, close-range, Vehicles, etc.
The logical choice is to improve weapons that are underpowered, as in improve range which is the only reason why people feel that the BR is overpowered. If you decrease the power of the mid-ranged weapons, which isn't just the BR, then there is an imbalance with the long-ranged tactics and/or Rocket-esque weapons. We already see that in games with only a Carbine instead, like certain variants on Snowbound; the Sniper just dominates and all you can do is hide and camp.
You wanting the BR or Carbine (because they are both equally powerful with exception of Sniper balance) to be less powerful only creates more imbalance. Close-ranged weapons (because that is what they are and includes the AR) are dominant in close quarters scenarios. The mid-ranged weapons are dominant at mid-range. And, the Sniper is dominant at long-range. So, my question is why is the mid-ranged weapons overpowered? It's not the best at close-range; in fact, it is one of the worst weapons to use at close-range, and it can barely place one bullet at long range against the Sniper.
The BR or Carbine is not unbalanced for Halo 3; it is your idea that close-range should not be overpowered by mid-range that is unbalanced for Halo 3.
I agree with your first sentance, but the rest of what you say is going in the same circles that the OP has been going. You cannot simply buff the other weapons that have their shortcommings to soften the difference in "effectiveness" between the weapons, that would have a pretty massive ripple effect. Quite honestly if they removed the BR and all that was available at the mid range was the Carbine, it would be a better fit as you actually have to aim to do damage with the Carbine, not just shoot the general area, but then the mid-range could be weak accross the board as a result so it may not be a practical change.
As i've said in previous posts, it's the players that proved the BR's imbalance by setting the trend towards heavy BR use. Instead of toning down the BR's advantage by tweaking map settings and playlists, Bungie fueled the fire by increasing the BR frequency at the players request. There is really nothing wrong with this IMO, but that does have a huge affect on balance. I don't think the weapon itself needs much of a change because realistically there isn't much to be done with it that wouldn't screw things up in some other aspecet (though I would be interested so see what happens were it removed for a week).
You present a solid point though, this whole thing comes down to how one percieves balance. I guess if balance to some people is based on how well something works within an established realm, then the BR is the most balanced weapon in the game outside of special circumstances. But if you percieve balance to include how well the other weapons perform against a weapon, how everything works with eachother, then the BR is the odd-man out, it doesn't mesh well with the other weapons as it eliminates their utility. Why grab an AR and a shotgun, when a BR and a shotgun offers a much broader range of coverage. This could be said of many weapon pairings within the game.
The BR or Carbine is not unbalanced for Halo 3; it is your idea that close-range should not be overpowered by mid-range that is unbalanced for Halo 3.
Also i'm not too sure how you came to this opinion of my "idea", I use the BR when I play, frequently, but that does not make it balanced. Quite honestly short-range should only ever be dominated by mid-range, in the mid-range, but with the BR that is not the case. That is my issue.
[Edited on 07.23.2009 6:15 PM PDT]