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Posted by: achillies665
Hahaha a throwing knife... its plausible

lol...Imagine...
I just no scoped you across the map with my knife!1!!11!!!! lolololol *celebratory crouch*

The knife might work, it would be better than just a regular melee, maybe can be attached to weapons like a bayonet.

  • 07.21.2009 2:41 PM PDT
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AR sucks because it doesnt take any skill to use. there is a difference between good halo players and crapy halo players. the good ones will switch an ar for a br and the crapy ones would keep the ar

  • 07.21.2009 2:41 PM PDT

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Even if it wasnt that effective it could still do some damage.And i bet that it could go through the armor on the enemies neck.

  • 07.21.2009 2:46 PM PDT

You mean 2nd character from the right? It looks like a middle finger to me.

  • 07.21.2009 2:49 PM PDT
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Just look at the knife today, even with stab and bullet proof armour its still a dangerous weapon. Every soldier in every army is trained to use and equiped with a combat knife for very good reasons.

  • 07.21.2009 2:50 PM PDT
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the knife could have a plasma cover that cuts through the armor and then kills them like a lethal stab to an unarmored person

  • 07.21.2009 2:52 PM PDT

Get Some!!

if a knife is useless in CQC, then how does a melee now work?
a knife is always more effective than the stock of a rifle

  • 07.21.2009 2:58 PM PDT

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Posted by: Waffles108
Yeah, Fred favored the knife. Maybe we'll at least play as him in Campaign?
When did it say Fred favored a knife?

  • 07.21.2009 2:58 PM PDT

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Posted by: MLG Cheehwawa
Posted by: Waffles108
Yeah, Fred favored the knife. Maybe we'll at least play as him in Campaign?
When did it say Fred favored a knife?
I agree with Cheehwawa here, it never says he favoured the knife at all. There were 2 instances throughout 'Halo: The Fall of Reach' and 'Halo: First Strike' that had Fred playing with a knife. I'm pretty sure EVERY Spartan had a knife, but Fred playing with the knife didn't mean that he favoured it, it was showing how Fred was quickly done preparing for Battle.

Whilst all the other Spartans (aside from Kelly) were getting thier ammo, or thier guns, Fred was already done, and he was ready. (So he had time to spare to play around with his knife)

Heck, when I am just sitting watching T.V or something I play around with a knife.

Edit: Fred playing around with his knife is to show he was ready for combat before everyone else, and he was just occupying himself with something to do. Like playing with his knife.

[Edited on 07.21.2009 3:08 PM PDT]

  • 07.21.2009 3:07 PM PDT

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Taken from the halopedia

As of 2552, he had fought in more than 120 campaigns. [1] He was the Spartans' second best sniper and best spotter, although Linda-058 outdid him in these categories by far. In fact, John once said that Fred came in 2nd place in all of the contests the Spartans had as children, John thought he could have come out on top but didn't like the attention. He was well known for his abilities with the combat knife. Fred had black hair which was shot with streaks of silver after his augmentation, and he was not too short or tall (Little shorter than John-117) and neither too muscular, nor too slim. In fact it was commented by John-117 that "if any SPARTAN had to blend in to a crowd it was Fred"

[Edited on 07.21.2009 3:15 PM PDT]

  • 07.21.2009 3:14 PM PDT

Ugh...

First on a BWU.. yeah, I'm cool.

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If I were to go onto Halopedia right now, Edit that page, and said he had a curious liking to giraffes, would you believe that too?

Source a PAGE from the Books that says he was well known for his abilities with the combat knife.

  • 07.21.2009 3:18 PM PDT

Posted by: MLG Cheehwawa
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I doubt any knife would go through future-armour and shields so I think its pointless


It's used in the book against enemies, so why can't it be used in the game.
I don't ever remember it being used in the novels, but its safe to assume they were unshielded enemies like Grunts, Jackals, or Insurrectionists. So why have it in the game if it wouldnt do -blam!- in MP?


They did use it at times actually like when John stabbed two jackals in the back with his knife back when they first discovered hunters. I guess they could try to incorporate a knife, i mean if you can whack someone over a head with a pistol and kill them why not stab them with a knife?

  • 07.21.2009 3:23 PM PDT

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I'd believe it if the books said something about him playing with giraffes in multiple instances AND it was a widely know fact by many others in the halo community AND it said so on the halopedia.

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i think instead of a knife there should be a katana like the one on the bodypiece on halo 3 it would own knifes but

  • 07.21.2009 3:26 PM PDT

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Posted by: MLG Cheehwawa
Posted by: aaronde
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I doubt any knife would go through future-armour and shields so I think its pointless


It's used in the book against enemies, so why can't it be used in the game.
I don't ever remember it being used in the novels, but its safe to assume they were unshielded enemies like Grunts, Jackals, or Insurrectionists. So why have it in the game if it wouldnt do -blam!- in MP?


They did use it at times actually like when John stabbed two jackals in the back with his knife back when they first discovered hunters. I guess they could try to incorporate a knife, i mean if you can whack someone over a head with a pistol and kill them why not stab them with a knife?
I don't see how it could be a one hit kill if the Brute Shot and Spiker aren't. And if its not a 1HK, its a pointless addition because its just as strong as a regular melee, only the weapon you can use to melee cant shoot.

  • 07.21.2009 3:31 PM PDT

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Yeah I'm wondering how a combat knife could work in game but be believable. It's melee would surely be no more powerful than a Brute Shot/Spiker/Maul melee thus making it pretty redundant. It certainly can't be as powerful as a Sword or Hammer but it would need to be more powerful than a regular melee. It can't be much faster either, as regular melees are pretty swift already and more lunge than we currently have would be a bit much.

Hmmm....... It's definitely a knife in that pic though.

It'd be interesting to see what Bungie do if the knife really is in the game.

  • 07.21.2009 3:43 PM PDT

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Maybe because Halo 3 is for noobs?

  • 07.21.2009 3:44 PM PDT

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Posted by: MLG Cheehwawa
LOL. First off, I don't play MLG.


Really? How odd, your name tends to suggest otherwise. Then again, maybe it is all the rage to name your online persona after an activity you don't take part in.

Please, tell me what purpose a knife would serve in the MP other than to waste one of your weapon slots.

Very close quarters combat. Besides, what do you care if other people utilize a knife if such a weapon were included? It won't be as if you'd have to use it too. Furthermore, if you feel it would be a useless item, and the people who carry it would be ineffective, you'd have no problem racking up wins in multiplayer games. That is, unless you are the type of person who will still complain about it simply because people manage to sneak up on you and knife you a few times.

A knife or similar CQC implement would be a welcome addition to the Halo sandbox in my opinion. While I could see it being more useful in a strictly solo/campaign role, I won't begrudge the fact that it may be fun to play around with in multiplayer as well.

Within a story context, I also feel such a weapon would work since I don't believe it has ever been stated that the 'shields' utilized by Spartans (or Elites for the matter) are capable of stopping slower moving, hand-held objects. The Halopedia notes this about shield technology as well, pointing to the Prophet of Regret's shields (Halo 2). While the Prophet's shield were capable of turning aside any fast-moving projectile, it was incapable of protecting him from a relatively slower moving Master Chief, who proceeded to jump onto the Prophet's throne and pummel him to death. Add to this tid-bit of information that you have always been able to cause damage to shielded enemies by way of assassinating them, and it seems confirmed that slower moving objects can bypass energy shielding.

Either way, at the end of the day, Halo: Reach is a video game, and if its designers choose to add a knife to it, then so be it. We will have to accept whatever explanation they give us for 'how it works' and its place within the weapon palette.

[Edited on 07.21.2009 3:47 PM PDT]

  • 07.21.2009 3:45 PM PDT

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Again, I think we're all looking at this as a problem and how it would apply to Halo 3, this game though should be nothing like anything we've seen, and as such there is probably a very acceptable reason for it to be included. If it's a class based game I hope the medic, I think the medic would be Kelly, gets a defibrillator.

  • 07.21.2009 3:49 PM PDT

Yet an energy sword doesn't?

Pshhhhhh. And one melee to the back kills a guy.
Halo isn't realistic dude.

  • 07.21.2009 3:57 PM PDT

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Your picture makes it hard to take what you said seriously sorry. I think the strongest soldiers known to man kind slamming a rifle into your back would kill you too, even if you had the same armor.

  • 07.21.2009 4:00 PM PDT

Posted by: ninopinneri
Yet an energy sword doesn't?

Pshhhhhh. And one melee to the back kills a guy.
Halo isn't realistic dude.

Break the spine, and they are dead. There is more armor / meat between the spine and the front of the body than in the back, so when you get hit there, you are fine, when you are hit in the back, you dead.

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If you think thats fine can i grab a heavy metal object and slam it into your head unexpectedly???? :D:D:D:D

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There is absolutely no use for a knife.

It can't be a 1HK(one hit kill) because even the Brute Shot blade doesn't 1HK and that blade is massive. I don't see why you would disable your ability to shoot for a melee weapon that is as effective as a regular melee. Even if it did slightly more damage like a Brute weapon or Heavy weapon it would still be pointless because you lose your ability to shoot.

The only times a knife would be useful is against Jackals and Grunts. I don't see the point of only have a knife for some of the enemies. It would over complicate the game and is unneeded.

Anyone saying the knife could use some kind of Plasma or laser is an idiot. That in no way fits into Halo and is again absolutely pointless.

The only real reason some people want a knife is because it would look cool. You really have no good reason for it.

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Posted by: BULLETxSP0NGE
There is absolutely no use for a knife.

It can't be a 1HK(one hit kill) because even the Brute Shot blade doesn't 1HK and that blade is massive. I don't see why you would disable your ability to shoot for a melee weapon that is as effective as a regular melee. Even if it did slightly more damage like a Brute weapon or Heavy weapon it would still be pointless because you lose your ability to shoot.

The only times a knife would be useful is against Jackals and Grunts. I don't see the point of only have a knife for some of the enemies. It would over complicate the game and is unneeded.

Anyone saying the knife could use some kind of Plasma or laser is an idiot. That in no way fits into Halo and is again absolutely pointless.

The only real reason some people want a knife is because it would look cool. You really have no good reason for it.


What do you really know about bladed weapons? Bigger isnt better, look at the grav hammer and the energy sword. Its about how you use them. And if you look at the past, middle ages, when knights wore ARMOUR and were still KILLED BY SWORDS.

  • 07.21.2009 4:11 PM PDT