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Posted by: achillies665
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There is absolutely no use for a knife.

It can't be a 1HK(one hit kill) because even the Brute Shot blade doesn't 1HK and that blade is massive. I don't see why you would disable your ability to shoot for a melee weapon that is as effective as a regular melee. Even if it did slightly more damage like a Brute weapon or Heavy weapon it would still be pointless because you lose your ability to shoot.

The only times a knife would be useful is against Jackals and Grunts. I don't see the point of only have a knife for some of the enemies. It would over complicate the game and is unneeded.

Anyone saying the knife could use some kind of Plasma or laser is an idiot. That in no way fits into Halo and is again absolutely pointless.

The only real reason some people want a knife is because it would look cool. You really have no good reason for it.


What do you really know about bladed weapons? Bigger isnt better, look at the grav hammer and the energy sword. Its about how you use them. And if you look at the past, middle ages, when knights wore ARMOUR and were still KILLED BY SWORDS.

Knights from the middle ages didn't have plasma shielding.

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No they had full body chainmail, same effect if you go to the tech of the day

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Posted by: achillies665
And if you look at the past, middle ages, when knights wore ARMOUR and were still KILLED BY SWORDS.


Yes but did they wear titanium armor made in the future? No they didn't.

I know a blade can go through modern Kevlar armor but blades will not advance any further then they have now but armor will. Blades will be obsolete in the future. The only reason the energy sword is useful is because you have a shield that lets you survive a dozen bullets while lunging at 400 mph at the enemy. Without the lunge the sword would be garbage.

  • 07.21.2009 4:18 PM PDT

Posted by: achillies665
No they had full body chainmail, same effect if you go to the tech of the day

Regardless, could it be cut through in one hit?

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No but did they have the modern knives we have today?
And blade will always be improving, its one of the most basic and effective tools and wepons ever created

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Posted by: Hylebos
Posted by: achillies665
No they had full body chainmail, same effect if you go to the tech of the day

Regardless, could it be cut through in one hit?


I dont know, i believe, dont take it as absolute truth, that katanas could make it through chain mail

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Posted by: achillies665
No they had full body chainmail, same effect if you go to the tech of the day


Thats a load of -blam!-. A knife in the future will be no more effective than a knife made know. A knife is already unable to penetrate and inch of titanium, add an energy shield and there is no use for it. Chain mail is nothing like an energy shield.

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  • 07.21.2009 4:25 PM PDT

Posted by: achillies665
Posted by: Hylebos
Posted by: achillies665
No they had full body chainmail, same effect if you go to the tech of the day

Regardless, could it be cut through in one hit?


I dont know, i believe, dont take it as absolute truth, that katanas could make it through chain mail

And thats your problem. Katanas came into use in Japan well after the knights of Western Europe had died out. They are technology from different eras, so of course Katanas could possibly have a chance at slicing through chain mail.

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And knives we have today are nothing like what we had 500 YEARS ago, and is the whole suit made of one ince titanum?

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I see what your getting at but the princible is the same

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Posted by: achillies665
And knives we have today are nothing like what we had 500 YEARS ago, and is the whole suit made of one ince titanum?


Yes knives had came a long way in how they are made but they have basically hit there peak. Unless we somehow discover some kind of new indistructible metal we won't see more effective knives ever but with that metal we would also see much better armor so it would really make no difference. Knives no longer have a use on the battlefield, they are a tool.

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I think he did i played that game 2 times i believe the arbiter had shields1 P.S. IT WAS AN ENERGY SWORD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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thats a fair point, but how can you know knives have hit their peak? If a new allow was created then yes it could be used for blades but that doesnt mean it would also suit the needs of armour

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Posted by: MLG Cheehwawa
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Right but he was known to have a certain affinity for the combat knife, his specialty per se.
No he wasn't...


um yes he was it said it in the books.

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I think the armour is made of very dense alloy.

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Posted by: ddr cadet 211
I think the armour is made of very dense alloy.

Ceramics, probably.

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Posted by: SPARTAN DELBOY
I doubt any knife would go through future-armour and shields so I think its pointless


Wielded by an ODST or a Marine...no. Wielded by a Spartan-II...yes. They're augmented for a reason. In Cole Protocol, Adriana is able to use a Mongoose as a war hammer, I'm pretty sure a Spartan can force a combat knife through an Elite's shield or Brutes Power Armor.

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Mind, body and soul, possibly my sole properties

But there's a soft mesh underlay used for mobility, if he was a block of solid, unbending armor he wouldn't be able to move.



I want a mace.

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Posted by: Snake0822
Posted by: SPARTAN DELBOY
I doubt any knife would go through future-armour and shields so I think its pointless


Wielded by an ODST or a Marine...no. Wielded by a Spartan-II...yes. They're augmented for a reason. In Cole Protocol, Adriana is able to use a Mongoose as a war hammer, I'm pretty sure a Spartan can force a combat knife through an Elite's shield or Brutes Power Armor.


If a Spartan stabbed a Brute the Brute would pick up the Spartan pop his head like a grape. According to the books it is impossible for a Spartan or Elite to beat a Brute in a fist fight.

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A knife would still be a useful weapon in the Halo universe against pretty much anything, especially in the hands of a Spartan. But it will difficult to translate that into a balanced useful weapon in the Halo games. It's all about weapon balance.

Where would it even lie? Fast melee? Is there a need for such a thing?

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MY ROLF KNIFE GOES SLICE SLICE SLICE SLICE SLICE SLICE

  • 07.21.2009 5:05 PM PDT

Posted by: Snake0822
Posted by: SPARTAN DELBOY
I doubt any knife would go through future-armour and shields so I think its pointless


Wielded by an ODST or a Marine...no. Wielded by a Spartan-II...yes. They're augmented for a reason. In Cole Protocol, Adriana is able to use a Mongoose as a war hammer, I'm pretty sure a Spartan can force a combat knife through an Elite's shield or Brutes Power Armor.

Elites in multiplayer have 70 hit points of shields and 45 hitpoints of health, adding up to a total of 115 hitpoints.

A normal melee does 70 points of damage. Melee with bladed weapons (besides the sword) do 72 points of damage.

So you are right, it would go right through the elite's shield and do two points of damage.

...You'd still need two melees to kill the elite, and if its going to take two hits regardless, I'd rather have a gun with knives that also fires superheated spikes than just the knife itself.

Also, a Mongoose is 89.6% of a spartan's weight... so if one were to use it as a warhammer, it would have great effect due to the momentum that one could build up with it. But knives don't tend to weight 896 kg.

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Yeah thats it really. A knife can't be a 1-hit kill so it will definitely need 2-hits and if thats the case why not just use a gun, fire a few rounds then 1 melee to finish them off.

The only way a knife could work is if it behaved in a completely different way to melees so far; something new like melee combos.

  • 07.21.2009 5:11 PM PDT

Posted by: flamedude
Yeah thats it really. A knife can't be a 1-hit kill so it will definitely need 2-hits and if thats the case why not just use a gun, fire a few rounds then 1 melee to finish them off.

The only way a knife could work is if it behaved in a completely different way to melees so far; something new like melee combos.

I was reading a Seattle Times interview with Harold Ryan, the president of Bungie.

He was talking about why the Halo series was so special and successful and he was talking about how when most the shooters were being more doom-like, Halo forged its own path, and although many shooters have popped up that are halo-like, Halo has stuck to it's roots and hasn't included various features to change the experience. I believe one of the features he mentioned was melee combos or martial arts / hand to hand combat, but I can't remember.

Give me a sec and I'll try to find it...
Q: Are you concerned about new competition for Halo?

A: There are a lot of options out there. People are doing a good job and it's very complimentary, but when you look back at when we first launched Halo 1 to the world, nobody made games like it; everything was more like Quake at the time. Quake really set the tone for what a FPS was. Everybody copied that.

Nowadays you look at the gaming world and a lot of people are making great innovations, but a lot of games are a lot like Halo - a lot of sci-fi shooters these days, a lot of shooters that are trying to do online stats and progression, a lot more moving toward bullet-on-pixel gaming where you're really giving the player the ability to project power by aiming and pulling the trigger, less about pure stealth or mixed mode martial arts combat.

Definitely, more and more people are closing the gap by building really cool features of their own and picking up some of the cool features that are in Halo itself. The disadvantage for them is we're successful because of who we are and build what we love. Luckily what we love is what enough people love to make us successful, and that's what we keep doing.

Found it. Infer it as you will.

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