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Subject: Between Halo 2 and Halo 3 and how it will fit into ODST
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After the events of Halo 2, how did Johnson, Miranda and the Arbiter return to Earth?

I believe that this may be covered in ODST, making Johnsons appearance in Firefight relevant.
The final levels may be played out similar to the Halo: Landfall short films.

Discuss.

  • 07.21.2009 8:51 PM PDT

Armor Lock isn't overpowered. You just suck at Reach :)

Reach isn't bad, you're just a BK :)

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Wow....a forum ninja created a topic...FIRST!

But yeah, good theory. It would make sense for Bungie to add that in, seeing as it does take place a little after Truths carrier slipspaced to Delta Halo. It may be later in the game though, seeing as it was a fair bit amount of time between the slipspace, and Johnson/the Arbiter stopping the Halo from firing.

[Edited on 07.21.2009 8:58 PM PDT]

  • 07.21.2009 8:53 PM PDT

Datass

interesting idea! Maybe Johnson and the rest jump back right before Master Chief "finishes this fight" and end up in New Mombasa. At the end of the game, they could have your squad be part of the search party for MC leading up to halo 3!

  • 07.21.2009 8:53 PM PDT

Posted by: Duardo
I'd love to be a 10 year old and tell my mom I'm going on an adventure out into the world catching Pokemon, with her full support. Never mind the fact that there are rapists, criminals, and murders out there, or the fact that I may get killed by a Pokemon.

Luckily I have Pikachu.

I doubt it, theres really no way you explain it other than Bungie pulled an entire Retcon of the Halo 2 ending. The only way they could have arrived back at Earth before the Master Chief was by using a Covenant ship with other Elites.

However with Halo 3 there were no other Elites untill Floodgate, let alone there was no sighn of a UNSC controlled Covenant ship. Let's face it, Halo 3 would have been better off with Joseph Staten writing it rather than Robert Mclees and Luke Smith writing it.

They could have also got either Jason Jones, Alex Seropian, or even Eric Nylund to write Halo 3.

[Edited on 07.21.2009 9:01 PM PDT]

  • 07.21.2009 8:57 PM PDT
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Like in Halo 2, Johnson and co may have followed the Dreadnought through its slipspace portal.
Although, we were made to believe that they had been on earth significantly longer than the Master Chief.

  • 07.21.2009 9:01 PM PDT

Golf Wang. Brony.

I do agree with this type of theory.

I believe after spending enough time free-roaming New Mombassa and playing the flashbacks of your ODST comrades there will a time for some nice UNSC regrouping action that will lead up to the events of Halo 3 somehow.

There is a small window of time, but who's to say Bungie probably threw in a large ending sequence spanning across the weeks between Halo 2 and Halo 3?

I would laugh if the entire game was just one huge flashback.

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  • 07.21.2009 9:01 PM PDT

Posted by: Duardo
I'd love to be a 10 year old and tell my mom I'm going on an adventure out into the world catching Pokemon, with her full support. Never mind the fact that there are rapists, criminals, and murders out there, or the fact that I may get killed by a Pokemon.

Luckily I have Pikachu.

Posted by: Skibur
Like in Halo 2, Johnson and co may have followed the Dreadnought through its slipspace portal.
Although, we were made to believe that they had been on earth significantly longer than the Master Chief.
They couldn't have followed, at that time Tartarus still hasn't tried to activate Delta Halo.

[Edited on 07.21.2009 9:06 PM PDT]

  • 07.21.2009 9:03 PM PDT
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Posted by: The BS Police
Posted by: Skibur
Like in Halo 2, Johnson and co may have followed the Dreadnought through its slipspace portal.
Although, we were made to believe that they had been on earth significantly longer than the Master Chief.
Thjey couldn't have followed, at that time Tartarus still hasn't tried to activate Delta Halo.
Oh yeah... Silly me.
Unless the stories ran parallel?

  • 07.21.2009 9:04 PM PDT

Armor Lock isn't overpowered. You just suck at Reach :)

Reach isn't bad, you're just a BK :)

For my gamertag, look up "Ghoulishtie"

You have to remember the timeline portion though.

Remember, the Rookie doesnt wakeup for the next...what was it...8 or 10 hours? That could be just enough time for the Halo 2 storyline to catch up a tad bit to at least when the Arbiter joined his elite brothers to stop Tartarus.

Who knows. It would be interesting.

  • 07.21.2009 9:06 PM PDT
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Do you know about time travel?

You have a good point skibur. I think that johnson is just in firefight, but just to be a playable character not to be relavent to the story in anyway.

  • 07.21.2009 9:07 PM PDT

Golf Wang. Brony.

6 hours, and we know DARE's plan starts falling into place 2 hours after the initial drop.

The Halo timeline scares me just a little bit.

  • 07.21.2009 9:09 PM PDT

Posted by: Duardo
I'd love to be a 10 year old and tell my mom I'm going on an adventure out into the world catching Pokemon, with her full support. Never mind the fact that there are rapists, criminals, and murders out there, or the fact that I may get killed by a Pokemon.

Luckily I have Pikachu.

Posted by: Skibur
Oh yeah... Silly me.
Unless the stories ran parallel?
They do, but if you remember from the last mission in Halo 2 Rtas 'Vadum was planning an assualt on a Brute controlled Cruiser near the Control Room. That would mean that the Arbiter's top priority would have been to assist him in that task and to help round up the rest of the Elite fleet in order to help stop Truth from activating The Ark.

They could not have been on Earth before the Master Chief.

Also let me pont out that Halo 3: ODST takes place on October 20th, 2552, while In Amber Clad does not arrive at Delta Halo untill November 2nd, 2552.



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  • 07.21.2009 9:11 PM PDT

I always figured that Master Chief's final level and the Arbiter's final level in Halo 2 ran parallel to each other, and both the Chief and Miranda, Johson, and Arby left for Earth at approximately the same time.

Then, in the Halo: Uprising comics, it shows the Dreadnought making a stop near Mars. I figured that Johnson and co. didn't stop, and went directly to Earth. Hence, they were there a week or two before the dreadnought arrived at Earth.

That's how I see it, anyway.

  • 07.21.2009 9:12 PM PDT
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Then, in the Halo: Uprising comics, it shows the Dreadnought making a stop near Mars. I figured that Johnson and co. didn't stop, and went directly to Earth. Hence, they were there a week or two before the dreadnought arrived at Earth.
Yeah, I remember something like that. I have the uprising comics but Haven't really read them.
That could help explain the timeline, though.

  • 07.21.2009 9:14 PM PDT

...Love, love is a blind man's game, you have to look around to know where you are...

This could mean more player skins for firefight YAY!!!!! /sarcasm

  • 07.21.2009 9:16 PM PDT

Anyone else feel like they ahve to play Halo 2 again? Halo 1's story is a tad more basic and more of an intro, meaning if you played the latter two you pretty much know everything in the first, almost. Halo 2 though, while I know the main stuff, I feel like I forgot minor details, specifically about locations.

  • 07.21.2009 9:16 PM PDT
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Posted by: The BS Police
Also let me pont out that Halo 3: ODST takes place on October 20th, 2552, while In Amber Clad does not arrive at Delta Halo untill November 2nd, 2552.
Clearly they travelled back in time.

;)

That hurts, though. I wonder if they will pull anything out of the magic bag to put it all together, or if this theory will not come to fruition.

They did say it will bridge the gap between Halo 2 and Halo 3. It's not much of a bridge if it doesn't make it to the other side...

  • 07.21.2009 9:19 PM PDT

Posted by: Duardo
I'd love to be a 10 year old and tell my mom I'm going on an adventure out into the world catching Pokemon, with her full support. Never mind the fact that there are rapists, criminals, and murders out there, or the fact that I may get killed by a Pokemon.

Luckily I have Pikachu.

Posted by: Skibur
Posted by: The BS Police
Also let me pont out that Halo 3: ODST takes place on October 20th, 2552, while In Amber Clad does not arrive at Delta Halo untill November 2nd, 2552.
Clearly they travelled back in time.

;)

That hurts, though. I wonder if they will pull anything out of the magic bag to put it all together, or if this theory will not come to fruition.

They did say it will bridge the gap between Halo 2 and Halo 3. It's not much of a bridge if it doesn't make it to the other side...
Maybe this will have something to do with the Brutes locating the Portal?

  • 07.21.2009 9:29 PM PDT

Golf Wang. Brony.

When did they start excavating for the Portal, can someone fill me in?

I'm thinking those are the events happening during the time the Rookie is lurking around in New Mombassa.

  • 07.21.2009 9:31 PM PDT

I have an idea as to how Johnson, Miranda and the Arbiter made it to Earth (assumedly) before the Master Chief. Jesse said that in Uprising (which I was unfortunately unable to get a copy of), Truth made a stop at Mars. That would have bought some time for Johnson and crew to get to Earth first. As to how they got there before Shadow of Intent and the rest of the Elite-commandered ships, perhaps there had been a ship that was made nearly unusable for battle, but still had the capacity for Slipspace travel.

Rather than wait for the battle over Delta Halo to finish and the fleet to gather, perhaps Johnson and others used this craft to get to Earth before the main Elite force. If it had been near unusable, it's very possible that they essentially scrapped it when they reached Earth.

As to why the Arbiter went with them, none of us can be sure. Maybe he saw the importance in getting there sooner.

Since we don't know how far ODSTs timeline goes, it may or may not intersect with them returning to Earth. If it did it would probably answer at least a few questions.

  • 07.21.2009 9:33 PM PDT
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Posted by: Skibur
Like in Halo 2, Johnson and co may have followed the Dreadnought through its slipspace portal.
Although, we were made to believe that they had been on earth significantly longer than the Master Chief.

we are not sure how long he was unconcious however.

  • 07.21.2009 10:00 PM PDT
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Posted by: The BS Police
Also let me pont out that Halo 3: ODST takes place on October 20th, 2552, while In Amber Clad does not arrive at Delta Halo untill November 2nd, 2552.
Clearly they travelled back in time.

;)

That hurts, though. I wonder if they will pull anything out of the magic bag to put it all together, or if this theory will not come to fruition.

They did say it will bridge the gap between Halo 2 and Halo 3. It's not much of a bridge if it doesn't make it to the other side...

maybe it's a dukes of hazzard bridge. a little dirt ramp.

but yeah, whoever said that the Arbiter's and Master Chiefs stories ran exactly parrallel? Master Chief's invasion on High Charity could have been finished several hours after tartarus's death.

  • 07.21.2009 10:04 PM PDT

Posted by: Duardo
I'd love to be a 10 year old and tell my mom I'm going on an adventure out into the world catching Pokemon, with her full support. Never mind the fact that there are rapists, criminals, and murders out there, or the fact that I may get killed by a Pokemon.

Luckily I have Pikachu.

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Master Chief's invasion on High Charity could have been finished several hours after tartarus's death.
Not possible since Tartarus, Miranda and Johnson were on High Charity at that point.

  • 07.21.2009 10:06 PM PDT

blame stosh!

ODST IS NOT BETWEEN HALO 2 AND 3, it picks up where regrets ship jums into slipspace in halo 2

  • 07.21.2009 10:26 PM PDT
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That hurts, though. I wonder if they will pull anything out of the magic bag to put it all together, or if this theory will not come to fruition.


Could go either way, from what we know at this point. It seems the whole timeline benefited from a special attention, however. I don't think we'll just end up with big gaping holes in the background storyline. It seems logical to believe that the loose ends will somehow be all connected once this is all over.

  • 07.21.2009 10:28 PM PDT

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