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hey ive never posted up here before but i feel this idea merits scrutiny

now ive browsed the forums a little bit and seen a lot of criticism about the balance of the h2/h3 br and the h1 pistol. This led me to thinks of ways to remedy this in Halo Reach.

Think about this concept on the pistol/br debate

In this new game, there would be the normal mid range weapon, the BR. i know a lot of you guys out there who read the books know that the BR was not introduced in Fall of Reach but just listen to this idea anyway, recognizing that at this point Bungie can do whatever they want.

the BR in halo reach would be mainly a mid-range weapon (like h3, hard to kill at long-range, and hard to compete with the dual wields and AR and such at close range). However, in non-hardcore matchmaking a person would spawn with the basic H1 weapons: the AR and the pistol. The AR would keep close-quarters battles even by outmatching the power of a BR at close range (near-melee range) by taking a shield down faster than a br 4 shot to the body would.

however (and this is where my main point comes in) lets say you spawn and theres a guy waiting for you with a BR at mid range. Thats where the pistol secondary comes in handy. the man who just spawned can defend himself by whipping his pistol out and scoping in (halo 1 style at 2X) and shooting at his opponent at the rate the h1 pistol fires. If anyone here remembers h1, they can appreciate the randomized bullet locations of the mid to long-range pistol. This new pistol in Halo Reach would function in the same way, having a much more randomized bullet spread than the BR at midrange, but still having the ability to distract and screw up the shots from the BR player. Although I imagine this new pistol not being as deadly as a battle RIFLE at mid-range distance, it would still make a person familiar with the pistol bullet spread able to defend himself sucessfully and hopefully even kill a person with poor mid-range BR skills. I see this happening by making the pistol a 5 shot kill, and with a 15 round clip.

The catch comes in with the different ways the pistol handles while scoped in, while non-scoped in, and while dual wielded.

Common sense says that if your trying to make accurate scoped-in mid to long range shots with a pistol, a person would have to fire at a slower rate in order to compensate for the recoil that comes from a pistol: thus the suggestion for a halo:CE-style firing rate while scoped in.

However, if a pistol is not scoped in, it would be able to shoot SLIGHTLY faster, but at a consequence. I think, that if a person is not scoped in with the pistol, than the "hip-fire" style of pistol shooting should mean a more randomized and extended spread, making the gun almost useless for mid-range battle, though more deadly at close range, due to the SLIGHTLY faster fire rate.

And finally, while dual wielding pistols, a person should be able to fire the pistols at the same rate as single wielding, but the spread of the bullets should have an even more randomized spread and extended spread than the single-wield pistol. However, being able to fire twice as many shots comes in handy in near-melee range, making the dual pistol a good battle against an AR at close range, especially if the person using them as impeccable aim.

SORRY FOR THE LONG POST, but i think its worth a read.
also, if you have a little trouble understanding what im saying just go ahead and say so, cuz honestly, i was a little tipsy when i thought of this after playing a Halo:CE lan.

PEACE


[Edited on 07.24.2009 11:14 AM PDT]

  • 07.23.2009 1:52 AM PDT
Subject: possible pistol/br debate solution

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no br, br sucks. the M6D is a keeper, even though it does shoot down banshees prety well.......on heroic........its definatly not overpowered

  • 07.23.2009 5:09 AM PDT
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well i think having the br is good, but having a pistol secondary with a scope and 5sk can balance the game out beautifully

  • 07.24.2009 1:51 AM PDT

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making the pistol a 5shot kill is a great idea maybe it will rival the BR in the MLG communite im sick of just seeing people just using the BR and sniper over and over agian maybe this will finally mix things up a little

  • 07.24.2009 2:30 AM PDT
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ya especially since it would have a slower firing rate so its not better persay than the br at midrange, but definitely allows a person to defend themselves for enough time to at least find cover, or to scrape up some midrange clean up kills

  • 07.24.2009 11:16 AM PDT

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I say remove the BR and replace it with the Halo 1 Pistol. Identical to the original in almost every aspect, except this time as a 5 shot kill instead of a 3 shot kill.

  • 07.24.2009 11:26 AM PDT

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I have a better solution that does not require the overpowered pistol.

Give the AR more control and feedback for mid range encounters like in the Beta. (Would need to power up Dual Wields to compensate for the expanded capabilities of the AR)
Reduce the BRs fire rate just a tad so it is not ideal in close range.

And then spawn the player with both.

That way they can deal with Long range and close range encounters. There is no single weapon that is ideal for 90% of all encounters. And if a player is swapping out their loadout, they will be purposely reducing the breadth of which they can effectively deal with the encounters.

  • 07.24.2009 11:27 AM PDT

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Posted by: MLG Cheehwawa
I say remove the BR and replace it with the Halo 1 Pistol. Identical to the original in almost every aspect, except this time as a 5 shot kill instead of a 3 shot kill.

hah, you would.

How about making the Carbine behave that way. The BR is nigh Perfect in Halo 3.

  • 07.24.2009 11:31 AM PDT

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Posted by: MLG Cheehwawa
I say remove the BR and replace it with the Halo 1 Pistol. Identical to the original in almost every aspect, except this time as a 5 shot kill instead of a 3 shot kill.

hah, you would.

How about making the Carbine behave that way. The BR is nigh Perfect in Halo 3.
If the Carbine acted like that and the BR remained as it was in H3, the BR would be underpowered. As long as we have one weapon that acts like a nerfed Halo 1 pistol, I would be happy. The other weapons in the sandbox could be beefed up so that everything is versatile, rather than just the two midrange weapons in the game, making us pick up and use more than just the BR.

  • 07.24.2009 11:38 AM PDT
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NVM

[Edited on 07.24.2009 11:41 AM PDT]

  • 07.24.2009 11:38 AM PDT
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I think the carbine should behave like a Nerfed Halo CE pistol and the battle rifle should stay. They both are slightly unique.

  • 07.24.2009 11:41 AM PDT

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Posted by: MLG Cheehwawa
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Posted by: MLG Cheehwawa
I say remove the BR and replace it with the Halo 1 Pistol. Identical to the original in almost every aspect, except this time as a 5 shot kill instead of a 3 shot kill.

hah, you would.

How about making the Carbine behave that way. The BR is nigh Perfect in Halo 3.
If the Carbine acted like that and the BR remained as it was in H3, the BR would be underpowered. As long as we have one weapon that acts like a nerfed Halo 1 pistol, I would be happy. The other weapons in the sandbox could be beefed up so that everything is versatile, rather than just the two midrange weapons in the game, making us pick up and use more than just the BR.

Well as its stands now, it takes 5 Headshots from the Pistol in Halo 3.

  • 07.24.2009 12:06 PM PDT

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Posted by: MLG Cheehwawa
I say remove the BR and replace it with the Halo 1 Pistol. Identical to the original in almost every aspect, except this time as a 5 shot kill instead of a 3 shot kill.

hah, you would.

How about making the Carbine behave that way. The BR is nigh Perfect in Halo 3.
If the Carbine acted like that and the BR remained as it was in H3, the BR would be underpowered. As long as we have one weapon that acts like a nerfed Halo 1 pistol, I would be happy. The other weapons in the sandbox could be beefed up so that everything is versatile, rather than just the two midrange weapons in the game, making us pick up and use more than just the BR.

Well as its stands now, it takes 5 Headshots from the Pistol in Halo 3.
Yes, but the range/accuracy is very low and the ROF is way too slow. The Magnum in H3 shoots at something like 1.5 rounds/second, while the BR shoots 2 rounds/sec and the H1 Pistol shoots 3 rounds/sec.

  • 07.24.2009 12:33 PM PDT
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well maybe if you could scope in with the h3 pistol and make it so 4 bodyshots and 1 headshot can kill itd be a good balance to the BRs midrange dominance

  • 07.24.2009 1:31 PM PDT

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Posted by: Tonoottu
The H1 pistol is way slower than the BR and halo 3 pistol
No. It fires faster. Halo 1 Pistol is fully automatic and fires 3.3 rounds/second, Halo 2 Pistol is semi-auto and as fast as you can pull the trigger, Halo 3 Pistol is semi-auto and fires about 1.5 rounds/second.

  • 07.24.2009 1:51 PM PDT
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Posted by: MLG Cheehwawa
I say remove the BR and replace it with the Halo 1 Pistol. Identical to the original in almost every aspect, except this time as a 5 shot kill instead of a 3 shot kill.


Maybe if you post this in enough threads it'll happen ;)

But I do agree, as I say every time I see you post that lol.

Posted by: Tonoottu
The H1 pistol is way slower than the BR and halo 3 pistol


Quoted so you can't edit. Maybe you should actually play H1 before stating gameplay facts about it.

[Edited on 07.24.2009 2:33 PM PDT]

  • 07.24.2009 2:30 PM PDT
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OH i know what the ladies like.

bungie completly lost its mind set with halo 3. yes the pistol looks the same but where is the masive mag, full auto feature, and scope. honestly Bungie should make reach with no BR NO BRUTES, NO DRONES, NO SMG, NO MONGOOSE, HORNETS, OR ANYTHING BUT STUFF FROM THE BOOKS AND FROM HALO CE

  • 07.24.2009 2:36 PM PDT
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Posted by: Tonoottu
The H1 pistol is way slower than the BR and halo 3 pistol
No. It fires faster. Halo 1 Pistol is fully automatic and fires 3.3 rounds/second, Halo 2 Pistol is semi-auto and as fast as you can pull the trigger, Halo 3 Pistol is semi-auto and fires about 1.5 rounds/second.


I was just playing Halo 2 and it has about a 6 round/second limit.

  • 07.24.2009 2:46 PM PDT
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Posted by: MLG Cheehwawa
I say remove the BR and replace it with the Halo 1 Pistol. Identical to the original in almost every aspect, except this time as a 5 shot kill instead of a 3 shot kill.

Finnaly someone who agrees with me, but it has a 6 shot kill, due to the health system.
Posted by:Bullet_sponge
I was just playing Halo 2 and it has about a 6 round/second limit

I can fire its full clip in 2.5 seconds, less if the the fire button, the right trigger, was like the PS controler's, 1.3 seconds for a full clip, owch.

[Edited on 08.02.2009 12:38 AM PDT]

  • 08.02.2009 12:30 AM PDT
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No matter how many times I forget about this place, I always get dragged back.

I'm more than okay with that.

The BR should jam on every 4th shot.

On a serious note, I'd prefer the BR go bye-bye.

  • 08.02.2009 2:40 AM PDT
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BR = win.
If they don't keep the BR then no one will -blam!- play the game.

  • 08.02.2009 2:41 AM PDT

No matter how many times I forget about this place, I always get dragged back.

I'm more than okay with that.

Posted by: sandmjolnir117
NO SMG, NO MONGOOSE


WHAAAAAT? Halo CE was great, these are additions for the greater good.

Mongooses also go beep beep and I like that.

  • 08.02.2009 2:42 AM PDT

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