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I never really understood that. I mean, this game is fare from realistic by why only a select few weapons, or the ones considered "accurate" can only make headshots? These weapons being the BR, Magnum, Sniper, Beam Rifle, and Carbine.

Is there really any point to using another gun when you can toss a grenade a make a easy headshot with the BR? Whereas automatic weapons, which already have terrible range and a completely unrealistic spread cannot perform a headshot?

I understand certain weapons not being able to perform a headshot, such as the spiker or energy based weapons, or maybe stray pellets from a shotgun or mauler blast. But i don't think its not reasonable for an AR or SMG to at the very least be granted a slight headshot multiplier.

What do yout think?

  • 07.23.2009 8:11 AM PDT

Because when you have a weapon with spread like the AR or the SMG, you reduce the efficiency of the gun when you aim at the head. You aim at the body so as many of your bullets hit as possible.

And as long as you can dodge grenades and straife without running in beelines, the BR is nearly powerless to stop the AR when in the hands of a master.

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Because when you have a weapon with spread like the AR or the SMG, you reduce the efficiency of the gun when you aim at the head. You aim at the body so as many of your bullets hit as possible.

And as long as you can dodge grenades and straife without running in beelines, the BR is nearly powerless to stop the AR when in the hands of a master.


So you want to tell me that if the AR was a real weapon and i put the barrel right up to a person's head it should so the same power as if a shot them in the body from 20 meters away? i disagree. A bullets a bullet son, and their efficiency shouldn't change because you aim for the head which is possibly one of the most vital areas of a human body.

  • 07.23.2009 8:19 AM PDT

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I never really understood that. I mean, this game is fare from realistic by why only a select few weapons, or the ones considered "accurate" can only make headshots? These weapons being the BR, Magnum, Sniper, Beam Rifle, and Carbine.

Is there really any point to using another gun when you can toss a grenade a make a easy headshot with the BR? Whereas automatic weapons, which already have terrible range and a completely unrealistic spread cannot perform a headshot?

I understand certain weapons not being able to perform a headshot, such as the spiker or energy based weapons, or maybe stray pellets from a shotgun or mauler blast. But i don't think its not reasonable for an AR or SMG to at the very least be granted a slight headshot multiplier.

What do yout think?

Think a rocket launcher with a headshot the flaming it would create but anyway its not unrealistic spread and how would a 1 extra point beat a br with like 5 or 10 extra points per headshot

  • 07.23.2009 8:22 AM PDT
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Posted by: Cat5
It's a game.


Games need certain types of realism to make them fun, like playing with gravity, being able to walk, being able to see - realism.

I think players should be rewarded for accuracy at all times, beatdowns, mid range, long range, short range weapons, grenades.

The ar should hurt more in the head, but only slightly. Enough to beat another person in an ar battle if they're shooting your chest, but not enough to derail a BR, obviously.

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Posted by: Cat5
It's a game.


I have read your posts on other topics some being arguments. This exact statement could apply to things that you have posted in other threads, so stop being a patronizing hypocrite.

  • 07.23.2009 8:24 AM PDT

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If you were to make it so that all weapons could headshot then there would be less diversity in weapons. All the weapons would be used the same way and therefore there would be no point in swapping out weapons unless you were going for a power weapon.

  • 07.23.2009 8:24 AM PDT

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Posted by: Hylebos
Because when you have a weapon with spread like the AR or the SMG, you reduce the efficiency of the gun when you aim at the head. You aim at the body so as many of your bullets hit as possible.

And as long as you can dodge grenades and straife without running in beelines, the BR is nearly powerless to stop the AR when in the hands of a master.


So you want to tell me that if the AR was a real weapon and i put the barrel right up to a person's head it should so the same power as if a shot them in the body from 20 meters away? i disagree. A bullets a bullet son, and their efficiency shouldn't change because you aim for the head which is possibly one of the most vital areas of a human body.

You misunderstand me, allow me to clarify.

Take a large handful of pebbles, and throw it at a small target, lets say a bird feeder hanging from a tree. Most the pebbles will miss because they spread outwards as you throw it, but some of them will fly straight and hit the target. This is much more noticable if you do it from a difference than if you do it up close.

Now, take a large object, lets say your neighbor's car. Take a large handful of pebbles, and throw it at the car. How many of those pebbles miss? Even as you back up, most your pebbles will hit your target.

Lets say every time a pebble hits either the birdfeeder or the car you get a dollar. What target would your rather throw pebbles at?

That is the efficiency that I speak of. Its the close range analogue of accuracy. Giving a benefit for aiming at an area you shouldn't, like giving you five dollars for every pebble that hits the bird feeder, defeats the point of the mechanic, as it isn't hard to get some bullets hitting the head area, but much harder to get all the bullets hitting the head area.

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I never really understood that. I mean, this game is fare from realistic by why only a select few weapons, or the ones considered "accurate" can only make headshots? These weapons being the BR, Magnum, Sniper, Beam Rifle, and Carbine.

Is there really any point to using another gun when you can toss a grenade a make a easy headshot with the BR? Whereas automatic weapons, which already have terrible range and a completely unrealistic spread cannot perform a headshot?

I understand certain weapons not being able to perform a headshot, such as the spiker or energy based weapons, or maybe stray pellets from a shotgun or mauler blast. But i don't think its not reasonable for an AR or SMG to at the very least be granted a slight headshot multiplier.

What do yout think?

Think a rocket launcher with a headshot the flaming it would create but anyway its not unrealistic spread and how would a 1 extra point beat a br with like 5 or 10 extra points per headshot


There is no game under the sun where you can actually get a headshot from an explosion.

And yes it is an unrealistic spread, if a augmented super soldier reinforced with the weight of half a ton felt that much kick from a common infantry weapon even during slight burst, that is unrealistic. try shooting a wall once in a while. you'll see what i mean.

  • 07.23.2009 8:30 AM PDT

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I never really understood that. I mean, this game is fare from realistic by why only a select few weapons, or the ones considered "accurate" can only make headshots? These weapons being the BR, Magnum, Sniper, Beam Rifle, and Carbine.

Is there really any point to using another gun when you can toss a grenade a make a easy headshot with the BR? Whereas automatic weapons, which already have terrible range and a completely unrealistic spread cannot perform a headshot?

I understand certain weapons not being able to perform a headshot, such as the spiker or energy based weapons, or maybe stray pellets from a shotgun or mauler blast. But i don't think its not reasonable for an AR or SMG to at the very least be granted a slight headshot multiplier.

What do yout think?

Think a rocket launcher with a headshot the flaming it would create but anyway its not unrealistic spread and how would a 1 extra point beat a br with like 5 or 10 extra points per headshot


There is no game under the sun where you can actually get a headshot from an explosion.

And yes it is an unrealistic spread, if a augmented super soldier reinforced with the weight of half a ton felt that much kick from a common infantry weapon even during slight burst, that is unrealistic. try shooting a wall once in a while. you'll see what i mean.

did you ever try fireing a military grade assult rifle?

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  • 07.23.2009 8:32 AM PDT

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Balance. Full-auto weapons do not make headshots as it would make them even more pray-and-spray, would anyone really want headshots from dual-wielded SMGs?? Semi-auto make headshots as a reward for having to constantly pulse the trigger and the pause between bursts.

  • 07.23.2009 9:34 AM PDT
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Spikers can get headshots.

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All weapons should have headshot bonuses (i.e. 200% damage increase for AR headshots, so aiming would actually become useful in an AR-AR duel) but automatic weapons cannot be one headshot kill weapons.

  • 07.23.2009 9:59 AM PDT

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Once the sheild's are droped with the AR it would be an almost automatic head shot because the large spread would inevitably get a head shot by aiming at the upper chest at around a the past melee distance.

If you want me to rationalize it for the game then I'll say that the bullets are to week to penatrate the armor on the helmet on the the AR and SMG. As for the needler, spiker, and turrets... uh, I got's nothing there for ya. Sorry

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I never really understood that. I mean, this game is fare from realistic by why only a select few weapons, or the ones considered "accurate" can only make headshots? These weapons being the BR, Magnum, Sniper, Beam Rifle, and Carbine.

Is there really any point to using another gun when you can toss a grenade a make a easy headshot with the BR? Whereas automatic weapons, which already have terrible range and a completely unrealistic spread cannot perform a headshot?

I understand certain weapons not being able to perform a headshot, such as the spiker or energy based weapons, or maybe stray pellets from a shotgun or mauler blast. But i don't think its not reasonable for an AR or SMG to at the very least be granted a slight headshot multiplier.

What do yout think?

Think a rocket launcher with a headshot the flaming it would create but anyway its not unrealistic spread and how would a 1 extra point beat a br with like 5 or 10 extra points per headshot


There is no game under the sun where you can actually get a headshot from an explosion.

And yes it is an unrealistic spread, if a augmented super soldier reinforced with the weight of half a ton felt that much kick from a common infantry weapon even during slight burst, that is unrealistic. try shooting a wall once in a while. you'll see what i mean.

did you ever try fireing a military grade assult rifle?


How does that pose a valid arguement? Spartans and Elites are not human, considering their immense strength (and their weight) when they fire an assault rifle, let alone an smg, designed for humans they should receive as much kick as would a brick wall would have if the gun was clamped to it.

My point: the gun should at the very least shoot straight (especially with bursts), endless you are five years old the gun isn't going to send bullets three feet left and right under sustained fire.

  • 07.23.2009 10:14 AM PDT

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Once the sheild's are droped with the AR it would be an almost automatic head shot because the large spread would inevitably get a head shot by aiming at the upper chest at around a the past melee distance.

If you want me to rationalize it for the game then I'll say that the bullets are to week to penatrate the armor on the helmet on the the AR and SMG. As for the needler, spiker, and turrets... uh, I got's nothing there for ya. Sorry


No, I said at least a headshot multiplier, and statistically speaking, each indivual round of the AR is stronger than each indivdual round of BR. This simply isn't noticed because the Br has more accuracy and shoots three at a time. So if it takes one round from the Br into the head for a kill, why not the AR which has a stronger round? And designed to penetrate human armors?

If you don't believe that is enough proof, then you can agree that strongest part of the armor would undoubtley be the chest plate, simply because it is a high priority target, so if you shoot that unshielded with an AR and you get blood to spurt out, then how would the head be more resilient?

  • 07.23.2009 10:23 AM PDT

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Posted by: Professional777
I never really understood that. I mean, this game is fare from realistic by why only a select few weapons, or the ones considered "accurate" can only make headshots? These weapons being the BR, Magnum, Sniper, Beam Rifle, and Carbine.

Is there really any point to using another gun when you can toss a grenade a make a easy headshot with the BR? Whereas automatic weapons, which already have terrible range and a completely unrealistic spread cannot perform a headshot?

I understand certain weapons not being able to perform a headshot, such as the spiker or energy based weapons, or maybe stray pellets from a shotgun or mauler blast. But i don't think its not reasonable for an AR or SMG to at the very least be granted a slight headshot multiplier.

What do yout think?

Olny persition weapons can make headshots. i.e. weapons that are either single shot, bolt action, or 3-round burst. the plasma pistol, shotgun, and explosive weapons are exclutions due to the fact that they are inaccurate at any range but thier designated range, shotgun up close, plasma pistol at short range, brute shot at short range, and rocket launcher anywhere but up close.they generaly are not capable of hitting anything even in thier designated range(shotgun need not apply, rocket launcher too)
No, I said at least a headshot multiplier, and statistically speaking, each indivual round of the AR is stronger than each indivdual round of BR. This simply isn't noticed because the Br has more accuracy and shoots three at a time. So if it takes one round from the Br into the head for a kill, why not the AR which has a stronger round? And designed to penetrate human armors?
not really, the br has the same power as the pistol , the ar is the weakest weapon that cant be dual wielded. trust me ive done tests

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I never really understood that. I mean, this game is fare from realistic by why only a select few weapons, or the ones considered "accurate" can only make headshots? These weapons being the BR, Magnum, Sniper, Beam Rifle, and Carbine.

Is there really any point to using another gun when you can toss a grenade a make a easy headshot with the BR? Whereas automatic weapons, which already have terrible range and a completely unrealistic spread cannot perform a headshot?

I understand certain weapons not being able to perform a headshot, such as the spiker or energy based weapons, or maybe stray pellets from a shotgun or mauler blast. But i don't think its not reasonable for an AR or SMG to at the very least be granted a slight headshot multiplier.

What do yout think?

Olny persition weapons can make headshots. i.e. weapons that are either single shot, bolt action, or 3-round burst. the plasma pistol, shotgun, and explosive weapons are exclutions due to the fact that they are inaccurate at any range but thier designated range, shotgun up close, plasma pistol at short range, brute shot at short range, and rocket launcher anywhere but up close.they generaly are not capable of hitting anything even in thier designated range(shotgun need not apply, rocket launcher too)
No, I said at least a headshot multiplier, and statistically speaking, each indivual round of the AR is stronger than each indivdual round of BR. This simply isn't noticed because the Br has more accuracy and shoots three at a time. So if it takes one round from the Br into the head for a kill, why not the AR which has a stronger round? And designed to penetrate human armors?
not really, the br has the same power as the pistol , the ar is the weakest weapon that cant be dual wielded. trust me ive done tests


http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/MA5C_Individual_Combat_Weapon_Syst em

Use that link, scroll down to trivia

http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/UNSC_Weaponry

Even better proof, scroll down to the chart near the bottom.

  • 07.23.2009 11:22 AM PDT

I agree 100% with the OP. I've thought about this every single time I play halo. A bullet is a bullet and should be able to kill an unshielded target with one head shot, regardless. The only gun i can see a problem with getting a one shot kill with a headshot is the smg because the bullet is 5x23mm, though the fps is 1300 (translates to 886 mph). So either way, that bullet is moving and nothing short of a brick wall is gonna stop it.

As i play halo CE, it annoys me more that the assault rifle bullet, which was armor piercing, passes right through the heads of enemy's doing only slight damage. If it goes through the head, it should kill the target, end of story.

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  • 07.24.2009 1:23 AM PDT

Because it's an arcade shooter. Why can't you get headshots from all the weapons in Team Fortress 2, or Doom, or Doom 2, or Marathon. Headshot weapons have their own advantages. If the AR had headshots players would die in like half the bullets with the current arcade system, and people would complain about random headshots across the map with shotguns when their shields are down.

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