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Subject: They are not known Spartans. They are "NEW" Spartans.

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The Spartans in the banner are more than likely (I would be willing to say I'm 99% certain) not be the ones we knew in the novels. People say that the sillhouettes match up with Sam (or Will in some cases), Kelly, John, Fred, and Linda. These Spartans had identical armor, as you could see on the cover of The Fall of Reach.

We also see Kelly in her Mk V armor which she got on Reach on the cover of Ghosts of Onyx, and she looks identical to the Chief from Halo 1. So she's not in the banner.

Since "Sierra-259" takes a focal point in the trailer, and his dialogue suggests that he is one of the Spartans on the ground (... "You've got Spartans on the ground, sir. We're not going anywhere."), it is likely we will be playing a new perspective which runs parallel to the events told in The Fall of Reach (the space battle of Reach) and First Strike (the ground battle of Reach which happened before the PoA left) and blossom into a new story.

If you have read First Strike, you'd know that Red Team split up into four splinter teams. Alpha, Beta, Gamma, and Delta. Spartan-259 and -320 were not named in the novel, so they would be in one of the two teams with unnamed Spartans (Beta or Delta). Delta was comprised of six crippled Spartans, and the team was split in half. Will, Isaac, and Vinh were the 3 who made it from Delta into CASTLE base, and they were fixed up by Halsey, allowing them to fight again.

The 3 outside are either dead, or not combat-effective. We won't be hobbling around the battlefield. The only other team this leaves is Beta. This was an 11-Spartan team made up of most of the Spartans with no injuries or minor injuries (Alpha and Gamma had minor injuries as well). They were left to defend the generators, but its possible that 5 of them escaped... some how.

So since Kelly isn't in the banner (sillhouette doesn't match the known images of her from the cover of TFoR or GoO), we will not be playing as known Spartans. My best guess for the identities of those in the banner: Unknown, Spartan-320, Spartan-259, Unknown, Unknown.

  • 07.23.2009 1:23 PM PDT
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I don't think Bungie wants to retell a story. I personally think this will be a side of Reach we haven't seen or heard much off.

  • 07.23.2009 1:26 PM PDT

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However we may flip perspective between teams. The game could have a few parallel story lines and therefore some missions may be played as team Beta and others as team Gamma or any mix of the teams. If this were so then some of the Spartans could be ones that we have heard of before. As with Halo 2 we could play through parallel story lines as two different characters and then meet up at the end.

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Posted by: Jacob A L
However we may flip perspective between teams. The game could have a few parallel story lines and therefore some missions may be played as team Beta and others as team Gamma or any mix of the teams. If this were so then some of the Spartans could be ones that we have heard of before. As with Halo 2 we could play through parallel story lines as two different characters and then meet up at the end.
Isn't ODST doing that too? Personally I like that idea

  • 07.23.2009 1:30 PM PDT

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Posted by: Jacob A L
However we may flip perspective between teams. The game could have a few parallel story lines and therefore some missions may be played as team Beta and others as team Gamma or any mix of the teams. If this were so then some of the Spartans could be ones that we have heard of before. As with Halo 2 we could play through parallel story lines as two different characters and then meet up at the end.
Isn't ODST doing that too? Personally I like that idea

Yes and as it will have been done twice before maybe it is more likely to happen again, it seems like Bungie likes doing that. However it appears that the games follow a pattern: Halo 1-1character, Halo 2-2 characters, Halo 3-1character, ODST-multiple characters, so Reach may only have 1 again. I'm just throwing ideas around. Cheehwawa knows a lot more about Halo's backstories than i do.

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I think at this point we can't really use the book as a definitive source, only a reference. For gameplay purposes this game could turn into anything. Who knows ? It might be a multiplayer only game. Although i think it would be a bit unrealistic for someone to assume that we won't be seeing any familiar faces (or helmets).

  • 07.23.2009 1:39 PM PDT

Plus there were only 150 original kids that made it to the actual Spartan Training, so there wouldn't be a Spartan with a number higher than 150 in the original batch. Will be interesting to hear their back story as there has been nothing else in the canon about a 2nd Spartan 2 class.

  • 07.23.2009 1:41 PM PDT

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Plus there were only 150 original kids that made it to the actual Spartan Training, so there wouldn't be a Spartan with a number higher than 150 in the original batch. Will be interesting to hear their back story as there has been nothing else in the canon about a 2nd Spartan 2 class.

I think that it is mentioned somewhere that they started training more but it was aborted as it was too costly, then they started on the Spartan-3s.

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Posted by: Jacob A L
However we may flip perspective between teams. The game could have a few parallel story lines and therefore some missions may be played as team Beta and others as team Gamma or any mix of the teams. If this were so then some of the Spartans could be ones that we have heard of before. As with Halo 2 we could play through parallel story lines as two different characters and then meet up at the end.
Isn't ODST doing that too? Personally I like that idea

Yes and as it will have been done twice before maybe it is more likely to happen again, it seems like Bungie likes doing that. However it appears that the games follow a pattern: Halo 1-1character, Halo 2-2 characters, Halo 3-1character, ODST-multiple characters, so Reach may only have 1 again. I'm just throwing ideas around. Cheehwawa knows a lot more about Halo's backstories than i do.
I doubt Bungie's following a pattern, just whatever's better for the story. Personally I think Halo 3 was fine with just MasterChief, even though Arbiter was with him most of the time, playing it with Arbiter would have told the same story. I guess Bungie didn't add in the Arbiter parts just because it would have distracted people from the "Epic Finale" they were going for with Halo 3. Now that I think about it, an Arbiter mission would have been really fun, like three of them, I guess Bungie was just pressed for time, the same reason why they removed the Forrest Guardian campaign level.

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Posted by: Hylebos
Plus there were only 150 original kids that made it to the actual Spartan Training, so there wouldn't be a Spartan with a number higher than 150 in the original batch. Will be interesting to hear their back story as there has been nothing else in the canon about a 2nd Spartan 2 class.
Not necessarily. They could have had a higher number for the selection process. I mean they were choosing only a few children out of millions across the galaxy. It would make sense they gave some of the other possible candidates a callsign.

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Posted by: Jacob A L
However we may flip perspective between teams. The game could have a few parallel story lines and therefore some missions may be played as team Beta and others as team Gamma or any mix of the teams. If this were so then some of the Spartans could be ones that we have heard of before. As with Halo 2 we could play through parallel story lines as two different characters and then meet up at the end.
Isn't ODST doing that too? Personally I like that idea

Yes and as it will have been done twice before maybe it is more likely to happen again, it seems like Bungie likes doing that. However it appears that the games follow a pattern: Halo 1-1character, Halo 2-2 characters, Halo 3-1character, ODST-multiple characters, so Reach may only have 1 again. I'm just throwing ideas around. Cheehwawa knows a lot more about Halo's backstories than i do.
I doubt Bungie's following a pattern, just whatever's better for the story. Personally I think Halo 3 was fine with just MasterChief, even though Arbiter was with him most of the time, playing it with Arbiter would have told the same story. I guess Bungie didn't add in the Arbiter parts just because it would have distracted people from the "Epic Finale" they were going for with Halo 3. Now that I think about it, an Arbiter mission would have been really fun, like three of them, I guess Bungie was just pressed for time, the same reason why they removed the Forrest Guardian campaign level.

Forest Guardian? What was that going to be?

  • 07.23.2009 1:44 PM PDT

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Bungie can change Cannon if they want.
Remember though, back when The Fall of Reach was written, there was no such thing as Armor Permutations.

They could be new Spartans, they could also be Blue Team.

  • 07.23.2009 1:46 PM PDT

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Makes sense. Just turning the novel into a game is too easy and dull. Everyone will know what happens.

A new cast of Spartans gives Bungie the freedom to revisit the fall of reach but without wrecking the novel's established storyline.

Ender's Shadow stylee.

  • 07.23.2009 1:49 PM PDT

is ok, if Bungie remake the story I would be glad. But I don't really care about that anyway...

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Posted by: Jacob A L
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Posted by: Jacob A L
However we may flip perspective between teams. The game could have a few parallel story lines and therefore some missions may be played as team Beta and others as team Gamma or any mix of the teams. If this were so then some of the Spartans could be ones that we have heard of before. As with Halo 2 we could play through parallel story lines as two different characters and then meet up at the end.
Isn't ODST doing that too? Personally I like that idea

Yes and as it will have been done twice before maybe it is more likely to happen again, it seems like Bungie likes doing that. However it appears that the games follow a pattern: Halo 1-1character, Halo 2-2 characters, Halo 3-1character, ODST-multiple characters, so Reach may only have 1 again. I'm just throwing ideas around. Cheehwawa knows a lot more about Halo's backstories than i do.
I doubt Bungie's following a pattern, just whatever's better for the story. Personally I think Halo 3 was fine with just MasterChief, even though Arbiter was with him most of the time, playing it with Arbiter would have told the same story. I guess Bungie didn't add in the Arbiter parts just because it would have distracted people from the "Epic Finale" they were going for with Halo 3. Now that I think about it, an Arbiter mission would have been really fun, like three of them, I guess Bungie was just pressed for time, the same reason why they removed the Forrest Guardian campaign level.

Forest Guardian? What was that going to be?
It's the campaign level they based Guardian on, it was a big forest and you would end up fighting a big Sentinal thing, it was going to be Halo 3's boss battle but they removed it because of time restraints. They scrapped some of it into Guardian(multiplayer level)

  • 07.23.2009 2:00 PM PDT

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Great write up, and it certainly would give Bungie the freedom to make more unique game.

  • 07.23.2009 2:03 PM PDT

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[quote]Posted by: Jacob A L
However we may flip perspective between teams. The game could have a few parallel story lines and therefore some missions may be played as team Beta and others as team Gamma or any mix of the teams. If this were so then some of the Spartans could be ones that we have heard of before. As with Halo 2 we could play through parallel story lines as two different characters and then meet up at the end.
Isn't ODST doing that too? Personally I like that idea

Forest Guardian? What was that going to be?
It's the campaign level they based Guardian on, it was a big forest and you would end up fighting a big Sentinal thing, it was going to be Halo 3's boss battle but they removed it because of time restraints. They scrapped some of it into Guardian(multiplayer level)

Yes i've heard that before. Thanks for explaining.

  • 07.23.2009 2:05 PM PDT

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Following the parallel plot line track we may even get to play as the covenant again. Another Arbitur maybe (the one before Arby in Halo 2) he might die on Reach or something.

  • 07.23.2009 2:26 PM PDT

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You're incorrect.

While you are right in saying all Mark V is Identical, Not all Mark IV was. And This game will most likely NOT be only around the fall of Reach, and may be around Reach in General. Hence the name, "Reach".

  • 07.23.2009 2:28 PM PDT

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Posted by: Hylebos
Plus there were only 150 original kids that made it to the actual Spartan Training, so there wouldn't be a Spartan with a number higher than 150 in the original batch. Will be interesting to hear their back story as there has been nothing else in the canon about a 2nd Spartan 2 class.

Nooooo, they chose 150 possible candidates then used mathematical elimination, for they only had funding for half of the amount.

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I don't know anything about the books, but Cheewawa always has spot on specualtions, so i'm going to just go ahead and believe him! Not as if it matters to me if they're new or not, how the hell would i know :D

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My best guess for the identities of those in the banner:[/b] Unknown, Spartan-320, Spartan-259, Unknown, Unknown.
I think the last unknown might be an ODST. I know a lot of people disagree but that seriously looks like an ODST helmet.

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Posted by: Hylebos
Plus there were only 150 original kids that made it to the actual Spartan Training, so there wouldn't be a Spartan with a number higher than 150 in the original batch. Will be interesting to hear their back story as there has been nothing else in the canon about a 2nd Spartan 2 class.


Not necessarily. There could have originally been a looser selection criteria which was then tightened eliminating some possible candidates, or there could have originally been a larger budget for the program allowing for more Spartans; but then the budget was probably cut because "even the Admiralty were squeamish when it came to her [Halsey's] shadowy experiments" and several candidates had to be cut.
In short, we don't know how many candidates the SPARTAN II programme ever actually had planned for and therefore can't assume that we know what numbers the Spartan call signs actually go up to.

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