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Subject: Should Kneeling Improve Accuracy in Halo: Reach?

Posted by: Duardo
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Posted by: TES Christian
Halo is Halo, we need to stop changing Halo before it does another jump like Halo 2 to Halo 3.
It should change you idiot.
Yeah it should change... by removing Dual weilding.

  • 07.25.2009 9:58 AM PDT
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Posted by: The BS Police
Yeah it should change... by removing Dual weilding.
Are you refering to balance issues (ie single weilding being underpowered) or some other reason?

  • 07.25.2009 12:43 PM PDT

You are lame...

Posted by: The BS Police
Posted by: wii60 owner
Posted by: TES Christian
Halo is Halo, we need to stop changing Halo before it does another jump like Halo 2 to Halo 3.
It should change you idiot.
Yeah it should change... by removing Dual weilding.
this

  • 07.25.2009 12:47 PM PDT

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. A cyberborg supersoildier with a sensor in his suit that allows him to see exactly where he is aiming with a targeting reticule based on a number of variables I cant see how crouching would really improve this but i vote yes it should improve anyway

  • 07.25.2009 12:55 PM PDT
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Posted by: GnarlyGore


. A cyberborg supersoildier with a sensor in his suit that allows him to see exactly where he is aiming with a targeting reticule based on a number of variables I cant see how crouching would really improve this but i vote yes it should improve anyway
its easy. lemme lay it out for ya.

kneeling = steadier position
steadier position = less body movement
less body movement = less gun movement
less gun movement = straighter bullet flight paths
straighter bullet flight paths = better accuracy

therefore kneeling = better accuracy

clear nuff?

  • 07.25.2009 3:21 PM PDT

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Hmmm not sure......... Multiplayer would get kinda dull with everyone firing longer distances kneeling down and barely moving.

  • 07.25.2009 3:48 PM PDT

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This man, this man right here put it so eloquently that I actually cancelled my own 2000+ word long post.
/slow clap for respect


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The person who said participating is important, not winning, obviously never won anything.

YES! even tho in Halo3 it dosent do anything, i still crouch when BRing or Sniping from a distance.

  • 07.25.2009 3:51 PM PDT
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Slows down gameplay, no thanks.

  • 07.25.2009 4:18 PM PDT
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Posted by: flamedude
Hmmm not sure......... Multiplayer would get kinda dull with everyone firing longer distances kneeling down and barely moving.
On the other hand, people are much easier targets when they aren't moving. Sticking becomes much easier.
Obviously if it causes a dramatic decrease in the tempo of the game the advantage gained would have to be toned down, but I still think it would be a good idea to have this to some degree. Not enough so that newcomers can quite tell if it helps (right away,) but enough so that veterans notice the difference.

  • 07.26.2009 7:40 AM PDT

I am of an open mind and I am willing to hear criticism. Also: That's stupid and you're stupid.

I would welcome this addition.

  • 07.26.2009 8:11 AM PDT
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I don't really see the point when it comes to the BR. You can reliably get all 3 bullets in 1 burst into an enemy at medium range. When it comes to medium-long/long range, you can just lead your shots against people. You're not guaranteed a kill, but leading your shots still improves accuracy, so it makes this feature redundant with that weapon. Why would I stand still for greater accuracy when I could move and lead my shots, therefore making me harder to hit?

With the AR, you can burst fire, which increases your accuracy. Yes, your proposed feature could always give you better accuracy then burst firing with the AR, but it's much more advantageous to be runnng around and burst firing. You make yourself less of a target (just like the BR) and you still have decent accuracy. Besides, when someone is using the AR, they should be using it in it's most effective range-close combat. You're not going to need that extra accuracy most of the time, as you probably picked up a more accurate weapon (such as the BR or Carbine, possibly even the Sniper). Maybe you're fending off another player who has a BR, but other than that, you're sticking to close combat.

The SMG is practically the same as the AR, except for the minor recoil. However, in Halo 3, the recoil is hardly noticeable. It's there, but again, you're better off burst firing it for improved accuracy than standing around. Besides, I don't know how you can lower the recoil of Halo 3's SMG any more than it is now. It's practically non-existent.

Also, Halo is a "run-n-gun" game. Making people stand still for increased accuracy detracts the kind of gameplay that Halo offers to players and makes the game slower paced. And even then, people would just not use this feature, as it does not give a player good enough benefits to be standing still. I can burst fire with my AR or lead my shots with the BR, move at the same time, and move closer towards an Objective tha I would taking my time to crouch for improved accuracy. This feature would be underused, I would think.

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  • 07.26.2009 8:12 AM PDT
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I think you can already do that in Halo 3 becuase iI could have sworn that my gun was for accurate when I crouched...

  • 07.26.2009 10:24 AM PDT
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Posted by: Josh 22 T
Also, Halo is a "run-n-gun" game. Making people stand still for increased accuracy detracts the kind of gameplay that Halo offers to players and makes the game slower paced. And even then, people would just not use this feature, as it does not give a player good enough benefits to be standing still. I can burst fire with my AR or lead my shots with the BR, move at the same time, and move closer towards an Objective tha I would taking my time to crouch for improved accuracy. This feature would be underused, I would think.
This would be more of a support feature, where either your enemy is engaged with your teammate and it is more helpful for you to land more bullets on him, but not deviate from your position or your enemy is at a range normally beyond your currently held weapons effective firing distance. I've had both situations happen to me many many times. This would've helped my SMG\BR\AR\whatever weapon I'm holding quite a bit.

Also, how many times have you seen a game come to a stalemate? I'll give an example.
Standoff, neither team has a warthog or the laser, it's basically BR fire back and forth between the rocks. Now an enemy on the opposite end is rushing your far side. You start shooting, but you can't land all your shots on him because it's just a tad far away. He's now just preformed a succesful flank, and your team is about to die and get spawn killed a few times.
Rewind.
He rushes, but you're kneeling, and are able to kill him just before he gets to safety. This is when you rally your team and rush the other side while they're a man down. You kill their team and spawn kill them once or twice.
See the crucial point there? I've seen bunches of games where a situation like this arises.

Another example. KotH. You have to stay inside the hill, but your enemy has full freedom of movement. Already you're kinda limited in the agility department, so why not utilize an advantage designed for situations like that? Take a knee, land a few more shots than they do and keep the hill for a few more seconds.

You say this is a run-n-gun game, and to some extent it is. But when I have the high ground, (or whatever ground is adventageous at the moment,) I'm a little reluctant to give it up just for the sake of keeping momentum. What good is running if it's only going to take you to a worse spot?

I could give some more examples, but I've got to get going.

  • 07.26.2009 1:51 PM PDT
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Posted by: T4RGET ACQUIRED
I think you can already do that in Halo 3 becuase iI could have sworn that my gun was for accurate when I crouched...
i must test this immediately.

  • 07.26.2009 3:34 PM PDT
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Posted by: Snyder Pyder
Posted by: T4RGET ACQUIRED
I think you can already do that in Halo 3 becuase iI could have sworn that my gun was for accurate when I crouched...
i must test this immediately.
it would appear that the above statement is incorrect.

  • 07.26.2009 6:31 PM PDT

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love the idea

  • 07.26.2009 7:33 PM PDT
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Anyone else have any feedback?

  • 08.21.2009 10:12 AM PDT

I personally agree. But no doubt a lot of people will say, "no it'll be just like CoD"

  • 08.21.2009 10:47 AM PDT
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Oorah

sounds good to me, and halo is so much more than just a run and gun game. the ability only means that there is a possibility of more accuracy. its not like you have to crouch. its a personal choice.

  • 08.21.2009 11:08 AM PDT
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I don't want halo to loose it run ' gun feeling so i have to disagree.

I'm not gone change my mind. So if you quote me to tell me why i should agree, i'm not even gone bother replying.

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Posted by: TW InKoGnIto
I personally agree. But no doubt a lot of people will say, "no it'll be just like CoD"


No because Halo is supposed to be run and gun.

  • 08.21.2009 11:12 AM PDT

I Love ODST. Nice game.

It's not the fact that bungie cant do it. It's the fact that Spartans dont need to crouch to improve accuracy.

  • 08.21.2009 11:21 AM PDT

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you are a good translator
Idiot can be a hard language to learn, but once you get it down, everything becomes so clear! The whole world will make sense to you.

Suprisingly, this thread hasn't attracted many ofthe "go play cod lol" kids.

I'd be for this idea.

  • 08.21.2009 11:33 AM PDT

Your idea does make sense and is realistic, but if you try to imagine it in multiplayer against each other, in order to win, you would have to kneel, so you would have two people just kneeling in one place shooting at each other. Maybe it could just be used in campaign, and would only help if the enemies were at long range.

  • 08.21.2009 12:53 PM PDT

Maybe not accuracy exactly, but how about bullet spread. For any player that is both stationary, and in a crouch position, their bullet spread would decrease by about 20%. It isn't a huge amount, but could definetly be an advantage to those that know how to use it.

  • 08.21.2009 12:58 PM PDT

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