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Posted by: Its The Pro
correct. change the whole game and make it like another that is
not rated as well as this game already is. makes perfect sence.
If you're referring to Call of Duty 4, it got multiple Game of the Year awards.

  • 08.17.2009 6:09 PM PDT
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I don't see all the fuss of wanting a class based Halo. If you want class based go play it. Halo can stay the same. It doesn't need to change. It can change but if it doesn't don't -blam!- about it because any Halo game made by Bungie will probably use the same gameplay formula.

[Edited on 08.17.2009 6:12 PM PDT]

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Posted by: Lunatic__Brandon
I don't see all the fuss of wanting a class based Halo. If you want class based go play it. Halo can stay the same. It doesn't need to change. It can change but if it doesn't don't -blam!- about it because any Halo game made by Bungie will probably use the same gameplay formula.
Well, some people don't want to see the same gameplay formula that has been used for almost 10 years. Some people want to explore other gameplay possibilities.

Personally, I want to see gameplay similar to Halo 1. But if that's not going to happen, I'd rather see class-based gameplay, rather than another Halo 2 or Halo 3.

[Edited on 08.17.2009 6:18 PM PDT]

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Posted by: AK 47625714
Posted by: Lunatic__Brandon
I don't see all the fuss of wanting a class based Halo. If you want class based go play it. Halo can stay the same. It doesn't need to change. It can change but if it doesn't don't -blam!- about it because any Halo game made by Bungie will probably use the same gameplay formula.
Well, some people don't want to see the same gameplay formula that has been used for almost 10 years. Some people want to explore other gameplay possibilities.

Personally, I want to see gameplay similar to Halo 1. But if that's not going to happen, I'd rather see class-based gameplay, rather than another Halo 2 or Halo 3.


But ultimately if you aren't happy with Halo as is its just too damn bad there are plenty of other games. Exploring other gameplay possibilities is why there are other games to play. You can ask for classes but don't expect them. I hope we see some Halo CE balance aside from the pistol. Do you still watch cartoons? No you out grew them, maybe its time for people to say goodbye to Halo and move on.

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  • 08.17.2009 6:34 PM PDT

Posted by: Its The Pro
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No, it just wouldnt be Halo anymore

correct. change the whole game and make it like another that is
not rated as well as this game already is. makes perfect sence.

I do not want to go through this again.

  • 08.17.2009 7:15 PM PDT
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Posted by: Lunatic__Brandon
But ultimately if you aren't happy with Halo as is its just too damn bad there are plenty of other games. Exploring other gameplay possibilities is why there are other games to play. You can ask for classes but don't expect them.
We don't know if Reach is going to be anything like the old Halo games. All we can we do is speculate.

If the banner on top suggests anything, it's that some part of the game may have to do with classes.

Do you still watch cartoons? No you out grew them, maybe its time for people to say goodbye to Halo and move on.Believe it or not, yes, I still watch cartoons.

  • 08.17.2009 8:34 PM PDT

Spongebob!

Posted by: AK 47625714
Posted by: Lunatic__Brandon
But ultimately if you aren't happy with Halo as is its just too damn bad there are plenty of other games. Exploring other gameplay possibilities is why there are other games to play. You can ask for classes but don't expect them.
We don't know if Reach is going to be anything like the old Halo games. All we can we do is speculate.

If the banner on top suggests anything, it's that some part of the game may have to do with classes.

Do you still watch cartoons? No you out grew them, maybe its time for people to say goodbye to Halo and move on.Believe it or not, yes, I still watch cartoons.

I just hope that if there are classes, they are not preset. That is probably the worst thing Bungie can do.

  • 08.17.2009 9:00 PM PDT

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I'd go for classes. Why not?

  • 08.17.2009 9:17 PM PDT

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Posted by: TW InKoGnIto
I propose that Halo: Reach, should have a balanced, class based system. Please explain why you disagree.


Because I don't enjoy class based games.

  • 08.18.2009 2:41 AM PDT

And why not? Are they repetitive?
Posted by: porkstein
Posted by: TW InKoGnIto
I propose that Halo: Reach, should have a balanced, class based system. Please explain why you disagree.


Because I don't enjoy class based games.

  • 08.18.2009 11:39 AM PDT

It wouldn't work.
Not if you want to keep traditional Halo gameplay.

All the weapons' functions would have to be redesigned from the ground up, in order to create even a usable balance between all the weapons.

The maps would have to get larger in order for this to work (as you've already stated), and with the traditional 4v4, the games would be incredibly slow for the larger maps.
People already complain about gameplay and movement speed having been lowered noticeably from the previous incarnations of Halo.

Not many people enjoy the bigger team games, as evidenced by the drastically smaller populations of Social BTB, and Squad Battle, so increasing player count per game to compensate for the larger maps (which compensates for slower overall gameplay) would be the exact opposite of the Halo games we've all come to love.

I'm opposed to the a class-system, simply because the way I see it, the changes required to make it work, would change the classic Halo gameplay much too drastically for it to really feel like a Halo FPS game by Bungie.

  • 08.18.2009 12:00 PM PDT
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Who is this crazy darkpig guy anyway?

I love Halo games but if I wanted to play the old style Halo I would just play Halo 3. There and if people hate Social BTB, why not replace that with class based Halo. Before anybody says
Call of Halo grenades wont be stupid powerful and hard to dodge and yes there will be vehicles, you'll just have to be careful who gets the gunner seat. Come to think of it it could a great comeback for Halo clans like the ones in Halo 2.

  • 08.18.2009 12:54 PM PDT

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Posted by: TW InKoGnIto
And why not? Are they repetitive?
Posted by: porkstein
Posted by: TW InKoGnIto
I propose that Halo: Reach, should have a balanced, class based system. Please explain why you disagree.


Because I don't enjoy class based games.


I just don't enjoy them. It seems that most of the people in this thread don't enjoy them either.

  • 08.18.2009 1:23 PM PDT
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Who is this crazy darkpig guy anyway?

Posted by: porkstein
Posted by: TW InKoGnIto
And why not? Are they repetitive?
Posted by: porkstein
Posted by: TW InKoGnIto
I propose that Halo: Reach, should have a balanced, class based system. Please explain why you disagree.


Because I don't enjoy class based games.


I just don't enjoy them. It seems that most of the people in this thread don't enjoy them either.
I wouldn't talk so soon cause this could end up being a pretty intense thread in fact it already is.

  • 08.18.2009 1:42 PM PDT
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Please we don't want them. This is HALO! Not COD.

I hate the class system in COD.

See it wasn't bad in the early COD games but in the new ones where you can make your own classes. That's dumb, you can spawn with overpowered weapons. and Perks and stuff NO.


KEEP IT CLEAN.

NOT COD!

speak for yourself.
I for one kind of like the idea everyone is always complaining about how other people are complaining about the game.

Maybe if there are classes it would be more fair instead of 8 people fighting over a sniper.

With those people not complaining maybe other people will not complain so much.

After all these years of default starting weapons and what not it might be kind of fun to give this a try.

Like Barrack Obama said its time for a change
Yeah. So did Hitler.

  • 08.18.2009 1:47 PM PDT

Looking forward to Halo Reach!

Classes assume that all the starting weapons are similarly balanced. This is not the case in Halo. Many weapons have to be pickups because they are more powerful.

Why would anyone spawn with the sub machinegun when they could spawn with a BR?

  • 08.18.2009 1:54 PM PDT

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Posted by: Silent Eli
you are a good translator
Idiot can be a hard language to learn, but once you get it down, everything becomes so clear! The whole world will make sense to you.

So everyone saying class based Halo will suck and will ruin the game, let me ask you something.

How many times can you play Halo 2's multiplayer without getting tired of it? Though you may not want to admit it, bar from a few new weapons and equipment, Halo 3's multiplayer is the same as Halo 2's.

Halo Reach should take the series in a new gameplay direction, not Halo 3.5. The main series is over, they have no set gameplay template they have to adhere to.

  • 08.18.2009 2:13 PM PDT
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Posted by: BK Burger Boy
So everyone saying class based Halo will suck and will ruin the game, let me ask you something.

How many times can you play Halo 2's multiplayer without getting tired of it? Though you may not want to admit it, bar from a few new weapons and equipment, Halo 3's multiplayer is the same as Halo 2's.

Halo Reach should take the series in a new gameplay direction, not Halo 3.5. The main series is over, they have no set gameplay template they have to adhere to.

Agreed. Bungie should take Halo: Reach to a new direction of Gameplay.

  • 08.18.2009 2:18 PM PDT

To the two posts above this one, thank you.
Posted by: BlitzBladeX
It wouldn't work.
Not if you want to keep traditional Halo gameplay.

Traditional Halo gameplay can be found in 4 games. Play those.

All the weapons' functions would have to be redesigned from the ground up, in order to create even a usable balance between all the weapons.
No not really. Mostly just firing rate, and accuracy.

The maps would have to get larger in order for this to work (as you've already stated), and with the traditional 4v4, the games would be incredibly slow for the larger maps.
People already complain about gameplay and movement speed having been lowered noticeably from the previous incarnations of Halo.

I never said that maps would have to be bigger. I just said they would have to be balanced. A balanced map allows for a (good) sniper to dominate, while allowing other players to move around, and counter-act the enemy snipers with other weapons.

Not many people enjoy the bigger team games, as evidenced by the drastically smaller populations of Social BTB, and Squad Battle, so increasing player count per game to compensate for the larger maps (which compensates for slower overall gameplay) would be the exact opposite of the Halo games we've all come to love.
5v5 is a great team size. That is what social slayer has, it has the largest population.

Smaller team games can work too. Classes =/= larger teams.

I'm opposed to the a class-system, simply because the way I see it, the changes required to make it work, would change the classic Halo gameplay much too drastically for it to really feel like a Halo FPS game by Bungie.

Mostly what will have to change will be the weapons. And when you think about it, changes have already occurred to most weapons.

For example, the snipers should be altered so that it is hard to no-scope, AKA a large hip fire spread. That way, they are only really effective when scoped in (or if a lucky shot lands on the enemy player). Just by increasing the spread of the sniper when hip-firing, it is already more balanced because you can't no-scope effectively anymore.

The assault rifle:
40 round clip
10 rounds a second
15 rounds to kill
2x damage bonus if a shot is a head shot*

Aiming reticule size of the BR, with random spread inside that reticule when in full auto. But much more accurate when pulsed.

SMG:
Same as in Halo 3, but with the spread of the Halo 3 Assault rifle.

BR:
Semi automatic
30 round clip
12 body shots to kill
8 head shots to kill

Rocket launcher:
2 shots only
Veers off target slightly at a distance
Slight vehicle lock-on

I just came up with this off the top of my head, so it obviously isn't perfect.
*The 2x damage bonus applies to all weapons besides the BR, and those that have a 1-shot capability.

  • 08.18.2009 3:24 PM PDT

Just have fun with it

It wouldnt work ifact it would be stupid what if someone just kept choosing like shotgun and sniper or better yet every body would use only shotguns and snipers and rocket launchers it would be nothing but every body cant have fun because there is no stratigic setup at all and all anybody is doing is running around with the best weapons possible it would be kinda like feista with only the best guns in the game not for me

  • 08.18.2009 3:54 PM PDT

I don't want to go through this all over again.

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It wouldnt work ifact it would be stupid what if someone just kept choosing like shotgun and sniper or better yet every body would use only shotguns and snipers and rocket launchers it would be nothing but every body cant have fun because there is no stratigic setup at all and all anybody is doing is running around with the best weapons possible it would be kinda like feista with only the best guns in the game not for me

  • 08.18.2009 3:58 PM PDT
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Who is this crazy darkpig guy anyway?

Posted by: TW InKoGnIto
I just hope that if there are classes, they are not preset. That is probably the worst thing Bungie can do.
yes preset classes or else this will happenPosted by: JWKurusaAbarasa
It wouldnt work ifact it would be stupid what if someone just kept choosing like shotgun and sniper or better yet every body would use only shotguns and snipers and rocket launchers it would be nothing but every body cant have fun because there is no stratigic setup at all and all anybody is doing is running around with the best weapons possible it would be kinda like feista with only the best guns in the game not for me

  • 08.19.2009 3:30 PM PDT

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I watch this on loop when I'm bored.

If they balanced it out, it could be like Team Fortress 2... but Halo instead.

  • 08.19.2009 3:32 PM PDT

Not necessarily

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thatz -blam!- rearded

  • 08.19.2009 4:34 PM PDT