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Subject: Bungie, it's time for realism

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Posted by: KneeChee27
It's called stylism, and every game employs it in a different way.

If anything, I want Halo to delve deeper into it's own style.


I agree, the stylised art of Halo is part of what keeps me interested in the game. There are some points where you can really just stop and see the work that the art team puts into their environments. IMO the only thing that was "bad" graphically about Halo 3 was the rendering of human faces; particularly Johnson and Keyes.

  • 07.26.2009 4:43 AM PDT

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Posted by: MATCLAN
Posted by: KneeChee27
It's called stylism, and every game employs it in a different way.

If anything, I want Halo to delve deeper into it's own style.


I agree, the stylised art of Halo is part of what keeps me interested in the game. There are some points where you can really just stop and see the work that the art team puts into their environments. IMO the only thing that was "bad" graphically about Halo 3 was the rendering of human faces; particularly Johnson and Keyes.


And normal marines. They look absolutely horrible. faces on par or better then ODST would be nice.

  • 07.26.2009 4:48 AM PDT

why are you looking at this?

1st. the gore rating was because of the flood (that's why odst doesn't have gore in its rating).

2nd. dismemberment would be nearly impossible for a spartan because their bones were treated to be almost indestructible.

3rd. armor color doesn't matter when you're a 2 ton killing machine, also the armor practically is like a freshly painted car because the energy shielding lets nothing in, and how do you know how metal looks 500 years in the future? (all of these points only count towards multiplayer not campaign).

EDIT: and why do you want halo to be like call of duty? do you want games to not be unique?

all the rest i agree with.

[Edited on 07.26.2009 6:11 AM PDT]

  • 07.26.2009 6:10 AM PDT

Posted by: Darth1Snyder
Everytime someone sacks my groceries, I think of Loaf.

Posted by: CORABORAisGZIS
yeah like making it feel like a war is going on not a girlly parade, also the marines make there faces cut up make them exausted, btw if you dont get it the guy is pretty much saying what treyarch wanted to do with cod waw


OMG, It is war!!!!

  • 07.26.2009 6:52 AM PDT

Posted by: Darth1Snyder
Everytime someone sacks my groceries, I think of Loaf.

Posted by: visorak231
1st. the gore rating was because of the flood (that's why odst doesn't have gore in its rating).

2nd. dismemberment would be nearly impossible for a spartan because their bones were treated to be almost indestructible.

3rd. armor color doesn't matter when you're a 2 ton killing machine, also the armor practically is like a freshly painted car because the energy shielding lets nothing in, and how do you know how metal looks 500 years in the future? (all of these points only count towards multiplayer not campaign).


EDIT: and why do you want halo to be like call of duty? do you want games to not be unique?

all the rest i agree with.


No ones is asking for some call of duty, but not even a Spartan would be dumb enough to walk around in Hot rod red or Ocean Blue!

*Why do you think this game has so many underage players*


[Edited on 07.26.2009 6:56 AM PDT]

  • 07.26.2009 6:54 AM PDT

why are you looking at this?

Posted by: SPARTAN 32192
Posted by: visorak231
1st. the gore rating was because of the flood (that's why odst doesn't have gore in its rating).

2nd. dismemberment would be nearly impossible for a spartan because their bones were treated to be almost indestructible.

3rd. armor color doesn't matter when you're a 2 ton killing machine, also the armor practically is like a freshly painted car because the energy shielding lets nothing in, and how do you know how metal looks 500 years in the future? (all of these points only count towards multiplayer not campaign).


EDIT: and why do you want halo to be like call of duty? do you want games to not be unique?

all the rest i agree with.


No ones is asking for some call of duty, but not even a Spartan would be dumb enough to walk around in Hot rod red or Ocean Blue!

*Why do you think this game has so many underage players*

they are just colors that signify a team, multiplayer is not supposed to be 100% realistic when it comes down to that.

  • 07.26.2009 7:13 AM PDT

This game will not be realistic...never. If it wasn't realistic, how could they flip a mongoose over, or a warthog, or a tank, and can control the recoil of an SMG. I have said that so many times and NO ONE LISTENS DAMN IT!!!

  • 07.26.2009 7:22 AM PDT
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The only realistic things I want are: better character models, make the guns sound more devastating, the AR in Halo 3 sound like popcorn popping, and the last thing is better running, and reloading animations.

  • 07.26.2009 7:24 AM PDT

Posted by: SPARTAN 32192
*Why do you think this game has so many underage players*

Because every game i have ever played on xbox live has been full of underage players, because the majority of gamers are underage players, because since when did a game rating ever stop underage kids playing a game.

  • 07.26.2009 7:29 AM PDT

You are lame...

No to everything the OP suggested. Someone remind me why exactly we need to make drastic changes too the Halo series with Halo: Reach.

  • 07.26.2009 7:44 AM PDT

"The strength of the pack is the wolf, the strength of the wolf is the pack."

"Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou art with me..."

ODST for life

The Halo universe is a universe separate from the actually universe we live in and Bungie is the creator (aka the Alpha and Omega) of that universe. Anything they say or label as realistic within the Halo universe is exactly as it should be and should be considered "realistic".

Besides reality and realism is so subjective, what one person believes or preserves as reality is anothers fantasy or fiction.

  • 07.26.2009 7:49 AM PDT

its a Sci-Fi FPS dummy head how can you make Sci-Fi realistic isnt there enough realism in the world? if you dont like halo go play your Cod waw it wont make a difference to us

  • 07.26.2009 7:53 AM PDT
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  • 07.26.2009 8:00 AM PDT

I am of an open mind and I am willing to hear criticism. Also: That's stupid and you're stupid.

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Posted by: TW InKoGnIto
Aliens must exist. Our universe is infinite. How can our planet be the only one with life?


If you truly believe this, then you should know that our Universe is not infinite, it is expanding.

Also, please note that there is no definite proof of life other than our own. As of right now, Halo's story is unrealistic.

also you should know that it hasn't been proven that it is expanding either, it could be either or the universe could be hell small. nobody knows!


There is much proof of it expanding.

At least try to have reason in your posts. Here.

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  • 07.26.2009 8:08 AM PDT

i like the idea of destructive armour, they more hits you get the more damage your armour should have.

  • 07.26.2009 8:11 AM PDT

7even is Darker

... Why do people reference CoD for realism? it's not realistic to slightest FYI.

  • 07.26.2009 8:20 AM PDT

"If buttered toast lands buttered side down, and cats always land on their feet, then what happens when you attach buttered toast to the back of a cat?

I love how an OP will make a thread then not even come and contribute in the conversation.

As far as weapons go, as I said before Bungie is doing a damn good job of making the Human weapons realistic. Fire a real gun and compare it to what Bungie has created and they match up pretty well in terms of operation. Plasma weapons are not realistic at this time, so Bungie can do whatever they want with that.

Colors are for customization, and nothing else.

Gore? I can't believe nobody has realized that the reason there isn't a lot of blood is because when you are a Spartan, it's contained in the armor, same for Elites. Normal Marines being shot with Plasma weapons do not bleed because the Plasma cauterizes the wound the second it makes it.

Over all, it's Bungie's style to be bright colors and not a lot of blood, you wanna change it? Get a lead artist job at Bungie, otherwise, stop complaining and play the game.

  • 07.26.2009 8:40 AM PDT

A well-built sniper rifle is a beautiful thing. Mine has two separate levels of zoom: 'Up-close-and-personal' and 'Hello-you're-dead'.

I lke the Gore part, but the other ideas suck.

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Posted by: visorak231

2nd. dismemberment would be nearly impossible for a spartan because their bones were treated to be almost indestructible.


not quite since James? (not sure) looses an arm in fall of reach. another thing, i would have thought that since they can sprint >40kmph it would be fun to do it in the game, maybe not multiplayer since it could considerably change it but atleast in single player

  • 07.26.2009 9:07 AM PDT

7even is Darker

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Posted by: visorak231

2nd. dismemberment would be nearly impossible for a spartan because their bones were treated to be almost indestructible.


not quite since James? (not sure) looses an arm in fall of reach. another thing, i would have thought that since they can sprint >40kmph it would be fun to do it in the game, maybe not multiplayer since it could considerably change it but atleast in single player


He didn't lose an arm the way you think, it was melted off.

  • 07.26.2009 9:57 AM PDT

Boys are bad!

People don't care about gore/details this game has made it without CoD-like graphics. I do see how the game could be made to look amazing but the thing is....It would be waaaay too difficult to change now. And they've already started development they won't just scratch everything they've done already. I'm not saying I don't support this but it probably won't happen.

  • 07.26.2009 10:26 AM PDT

Posted by: PATTON 2007
*cough*

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Posted by: K3RM1T T3H FROG
It's time for Halo to be realistic looking. No more cartoony art styles. No more spartans that look like flamboyantly-colored action figures. No more getting blown up and flying away completely intact with a ketchup squirt. It's time for realism. What I mean by this is not for Halo to turn into Call of Duty. I mean that Halo should have much more realistic details that add to the experience on a small scale. Such as realistic looking weapons, armor, structures, vehicles, etc. Also, animations should be more realistic looking. Such as weapons that reload longer when the full magazine is depleted, empty shell casings that are more shiney and noticeable, and other small details like cocking handles moving when a weapon is firing.

This is what I expect:

-Armor-
Spartan armor is a metal alloy, not plastic. So it should look more like metal. If it's blue, it should be faded and dark, not shiney and bright like a freshly painted car. As far as multiplayer goes, colors should most definately not be flamboyant. They're super soldiers, not action figures so they should look like they're ready to kill, not like they're going to a pride parade. As an addition, character colors could also implement camoflauge patterns.

-Weapons-
For UNSC weapons, I expect realism down to the smallest detail. Things such as cocking handles moving when firing, empty shell casings that are more noticeable, ejection ports opening and closing, reloads being different for when you completely deplete your magazine, and scopes that have a shiney translucent lense instead of an opaque blue lense (cough cough Battle Rifle cough cough). More audible things like realistic firing noises should be implemented. To name a few weapons that need a sound change, the Assault rifle needs more of a popping noise, the Battle Rifle needs a lower booming noise, the Shotgun needs a more hollow thumping sound, and the Sniper Rifle needs a lower pitched sound with a loud echo in the distance afterwards. Covenant plasma weapons like the plasma pistol, plasma rifle, and vehicle plasma cannons need to sound like less of a stereotypical sci-fi laser and more 'with the times'. As for explosions, I can only put it this way: More bang bang less pew pew.

-Vehicles-
The vehicles for the most part don't bug me in terms of realism. Although, like everthing, they could be improved. Not visually, but physiclally. Things like a single frag grenade toppling a multi-ton war machine are a definate no-no. The ability to toggle between first and third-person driving would be a very cool addition and would add to realism.

-Gore-
That's right, I said the G-word. I'm not talking about over the top horror movie-style gore, but realistic gore. According to Halo canon, MJOLNIR armor prevents most dismemberment. But, an arm section or half of a leg at a weak joint would most likely get blown off in a rocket explosion or tank shell impact; as well as chunks of armor falling off. This combined with realistic 3D blood would make Halo actually earn that "Blood and Gore" descriptor on the M-rating.


Halo: Reach is a new realm of possibilities. Technically outside of the trilogy, it doesn't have to follow it's standards. For once, Halo can enter the new times of realistic video games.


If I remember correctly there was a thread a while ago about having proof that Reach will have MW2 Graphic quality. I don't know.

  • 07.26.2009 10:39 AM PDT

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The weapon part id like to see but idk about the others.

  • 07.26.2009 10:58 AM PDT

Posted by: Gottalovec4
Forget the OP

Bungie- Its time to blow crap up and make it look awesome!


no dont forget the op hes got a point, gore would be sweet and then add in the big booms and youve got a best seller

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Posted by: jonesy90000
Posted by: Gottalovec4
Forget the OP

Bungie- Its time to blow crap up and make it look awesome!


no dont forget the op hes got a point, gore would be sweet and then add in the big booms and youve got a best seller


no gtfo

  • 07.26.2009 11:18 AM PDT

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