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Subject: Bungie Holding too much back!!!
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Ummm
We owe Bungie: $50+ for their game.
Bungie owes us: a quality game.
They don't owe us screenshots but on the same level there's nothing wrong with wanting more if asked respectfully.

And for all you people who think they just post screenshots and videos and go to stuff like E3 for us have you ever heard of this thing called business? It's called promoting. Hard concept I know. They are promoting their product. Nothing more, nothing less. And, further more, in today's world of media and internet any pressi s good press almost. Because it briings more attention to your product, hence more curiosity, hence more people buy the game. Never forget. This is all business to them. Sure some of them probably love their job, but a job is still a job. And with Microsoft buying the company money is even more of an issue. Go ahead Shiska, flame or ban me because I don't speak your mind.

[Edited on 7/21/2004 4:13:24 PM]

  • 07.21.2004 4:12 PM PDT

Play as a team win as a team or die as a team!


I agree with noteliteornewb because he is right and that is what I'm trying 2 tell u guys but u guys just don't listen and theses moderates i don't about them and I'm pretty sure I'm going 2 get ban or kick out of here but they can't keep me away!!

  • 07.21.2004 4:21 PM PDT
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Bungie does not have to release anything such as screenshots, movies, 3d screenshots, and weekly updates. All of this helps to satisfy the wait for the game, but bungie takes a lot of extra time to do that for us, and that time could be spent making the world's greatest game. But I bet you could cut bungie a deal, they release it two months after november 9, and you get your extra movies and screenshots. Personally, I want to be surprised by the game, and I have faith in bungie that the game will be great.

  • 07.21.2004 5:08 PM PDT
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Does anyone know how much time it takes to make a screenshot? I just doubt it takes long. I don't know though.

  • 07.21.2004 5:10 PM PDT
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for a good one it takes a really long time. They need to set up the whole shot, and do whatever it is that they do to get the 3rd person view. Once they have the right angle, they need to save it digitally and transfer it to a computer. Then they can post it on siites.

  • 07.21.2004 5:12 PM PDT
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What about the ones taken straight from games? Not 3rd person, but regular. It seems like you could run it through a videocard and just snap the pic?

  • 07.21.2004 5:14 PM PDT
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They have to make sure that secrets arent included.
Wouldnt want a picture of the new Human motorcycle with rockets included in a pic by accident.

  • 07.21.2004 5:16 PM PDT
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listin....
thedocter.....you realize that you challenged SHISHKA to a game
dude....youbetter reconsider....hes played the game.....you will get your sorry ass wooped...
trust i bet shishka will beat you 15 to 0 .....i bet my xbox...and my halo 2 special edition...

  • 07.21.2004 6:05 PM PDT
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Posted by: noteliteornewb
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We owe Bungie: $50+ for their game.
Bungie owes us: a quality game.
They don't owe us screenshots but on the same level there's nothing wrong with wanting more if asked respectfully.

And for all you people who think they just post screenshots and videos and go to stuff like E3 for us have you ever heard of this thing called business? It's called promoting. Hard concept I know. They are promoting their product. Nothing more, nothing less. And, further more, in today's world of media and internet any pressi s good press almost. Because it briings more attention to your product, hence more curiosity, hence more people buy the game. Never forget. This is all business to them. . . . .


You are very correct. Bungie is a company and as a company it is very concerned with making a quality product that gets as many people as possible to buy it. All we owe them is the $50, and maybe even a sincere "thank you for the extra mile" for both putting in that extra 10% and paying us more attention than any other company I can think of.

But those of us who have been in the community pre-M$ buyout realize that there is something deeper to bungie. its not just a company, its something more. Its like that guy next door. The cool guy, who's always cooking up new stuff to show off, who's great to hang out with, and who always has a smile and a good pair of shades on.

But they're a business. And not the type of business that "any press is good press." This isn't hollywood. This is a "do the fans buy the game or not." They have to be very careful with new screens or other information.

What if the jackals didn't line up in formation, like the did in the e3 video? What if boarding was taken out because it made for poor gameplay? What if the marines didn't drive vehicles like they did in e3 because it wasn't possible to code anything besides poor "waypoint driving?" What if destructable environments were taken out because of framerate and memory issues over xbox live?

I'm sure they had to be very certain that what they have shown us is as close to the final product as possible. Because if it wasn't, there could be hell to pay. Bad press is not good press in gaming. it means ppl don't buy your game. And the fewer who buy your game, the less people there are to brag about how awesome it is to others. Its a thin line - pleasing fans and enraging fans. In fact, its not a line, its a blur. And no matter where you try to draw it, you'll always do a little of both.

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  • 07.21.2004 6:08 PM PDT
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Then why havnt you done so?

  • 07.21.2004 6:11 PM PDT
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To Jager. I agree with you but what Imean is at this point bad press creates interest. Someone comes to this site or one like HBO and read on and realize it's a beta test. I think in today's world most of us know what beta means. They read more and more and get more interested. I agree that if someone just said the game looks crappy or a friend played it and it sucked. That's not helping at all.

  • 07.21.2004 6:15 PM PDT
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i say we just drop this subject and let it die bungie is the best game company ever, probly one of the many to make a game that made 10 out of 10, we owe bungie they dont owe us anything but a quality game but only if we give them the thank you and the 50 big ones. personally i think if you cant wait dont, leave these forums now reserve your copy of H2 if you havent allready and stay away from the bungie sites and everything dont even get back on your computer infact if you actuly have a gurl friend take her on a date and thank her for going out with such a loosers as of yourself. why am i saying all of this?? because its all true why even come on here if you cant take the pain of waiting infact i am about to brake down to im probly gonna stop coming except for weekly updates i sujest you all do the same! and shiska you have all the right to flame these idiots that think bungie owes us!. and i sware to god if you think im a suck up come to virginia we will se who sucks up when i blow you away in halo! and for all of you people out there that want to be jerks yo can all go get bent infact i have a pair of shorts my dog did and im sure you will love to eat those

  • 07.21.2004 6:45 PM PDT
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The whole thing about leaving the forums i agree with. We should spend more time playing the game instead of talking about it here. This will be one of my last posts. Later yall.

  • 07.21.2004 6:54 PM PDT
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Nothing is black and white. Yeah holding back is a good marketing technique, but it tends to frustrate the fans(the market). You don't want to build a hype that will diminish the impact of your product, but a product that is long overdue needs reminder. I'm sure that releasing footage or whatsoever is NOT going to hurt the product, simply because the product itselt has room for exposure. There should always be surprises and that is what its all about. I have been eagerly awaiting games such as Half Life 2 and Doom 3 and the fact that they have released plethora of info and HIGH RES FOOTAGE(*hint, hint*) only makes me wante them even more. Well, I'm happy with the stuff they have released but I feel bad for everyone on these forums who makes a life out of waiting for Halo 2, no offense. I just wouldn't wanna be going into Halo 2 blindfolded if you know what I mean? Whatever... I still will be owned by Halo 2 and will gladly let bungie "have me" if they wanted. lol

  • 07.21.2004 7:23 PM PDT
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Posted by: Shishka
I'm beginning to think this thread has run it's course. Maybe it's time to let it die.


no.. not just let it die... KILL IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
DIEEEEEEE DIEEEEEEEE DIEEE

  • 07.21.2004 8:42 PM PDT
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Posted by: Shishka
I'm beginning to think this thread has run it's course. Maybe it's time to let it die.


no.. not just let it die... KILL IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
DIEEEEEEE DIEEEEEEEE DIEEE


YES! To heck with opinions! That's not what forums are for.

  • 07.21.2004 9:19 PM PDT
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Posted by: Teedy
I have followed these forums for a while, though never took the time to sign up until recently.

Doctor, that is without a doubt a wonderful example of two things.

1. Your complete and utter lack of any understanding for the english language whatsoever not only do lack spelling skills your grammar is reflective of that of a 7 year old. I post on many forums, so sure, spelling/grammar are never great on any, but I have not in 3 years of forum browsing seen anyone with poorer grammar than you.

2. You proclaim that everyone flames you, well if you had respect for others then you wouldnt get flamed its really not a difficult thing to figure out. By practically coming out and proclaiming that bungie should do as you want and to hell with anyone else's opinons you prove your own arrogance and little else.


On to the actual matter at hand: I'm plenty happy with what we have recieved, it's plenty and if they gave any more as the Overlord said, people would whine and complain for more. They've given us plenty and anyone who doesn't respect that needs to learn to. As for having nothing to talk about, there's more here to discuss than most places since many games don't have forums that are run by the game developers.


(My 1st post :D Expect to see more of me)



man it's not like ur perfect either and plus u understood him didn't u it's not we are writing a term paper for a good grade

  • 07.21.2004 9:28 PM PDT
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I think shishka should stop typing, i believe it has lost it's typing priveleges, and that IT should leave

  • 07.22.2004 10:56 AM PDT
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to shishka and accurate sniper, u guys can dew me, and as for thedocter (The Doctor), the only thing u will be doing to his ass is kissing it after u get owned...........fool

  • 07.22.2004 11:03 AM PDT
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my previous post may have been a little messed up, lack of sleep coming into affect, lemme make it clear..............YOU DON'T STAND A CHANCE AGAINST THE DOCTER..............fool.........THAS WHAT MR. T SAYS

  • 07.22.2004 11:04 AM PDT
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Posted by: Dufresne is back
Posted by: Shishka
I'm beginning to think this thread has run it's course. Maybe it's time to let it die.


no.. not just let it die... KILL IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
DIEEEEEEE DIEEEEEEEE DIEEE


NO! IT'S NOT OVER! THE BANDS GONNA MAKE IT!

  • 07.22.2004 11:07 AM PDT
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LOL. Is Pablo here?!

  • 07.22.2004 11:09 AM PDT
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I just wanted to say how Shishka should quit his job, because the head guy doesn't trust him and he is the biggest ass kisser in the forums. All of his efforts are going to come to nothing. And how he should sell his xbox and everything related to Halo because when Halo 2 comes out, he is going to get owned. Like he won't even get a chance to change guns and he is going to get dropped.

  • 07.22.2004 11:18 AM PDT
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ok well it is the fans that make bungie a profitable company so if we didn't buy their games there would be no bungie
so
the way you figure it bungie owes us..NO..they give us a game we buy it and it is well wworth the $50 or $55 we pay for it making screenshots take time away from testing and animatins so i would rather have a good game with no screenshots than a bad game with tons of screenshots makes since to me i just don't want a game full of bugs

  • 07.22.2004 11:18 AM PDT
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I am not asking for a screen shot. I am asking for some meat, something to chew on. Just give the fans something to discuss.

  • 07.22.2004 11:30 AM PDT