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Subject: Halo Reach - New Game Engine

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Posted by: CP0 Fraser
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What you still have to remember is that halo 3 can be played by 4 people on the same xbox. The xbox is generating the game 4times that of single player.

COD4 and similar games sometimes look much better because they are created just so 1 or 2 people can play on that xbox. For this they face less limits that those that Halo 3 faces.

What is amazing about Halo 3 other than a million other things is that with the graphics, maps look astounding. The water reflects light and flows majestically.

But when you look at a tree and its leaves from 40 feet away it looks great but as you get closer its actually really basic.


Actually, COD 4 can also be played by 4 people through splitscreen. So it's pretty much the same situation as Halo 3.




4 people rendering an environment and player controlled characters is not the same as having the AI have to be more intelligent and fight multiple enemies when they're used to one, rendering four times the AI on one xbox.


Actually, Halo 3 only allows two players to play co-op on one xbox. Online co-op allows 4 players but otherwise you're only limited to 2 people per system for campaign.

  • 09.13.2009 1:53 PM PDT

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Posted by: General Heed
Posted by: CP0 Fraser
Posted by: General Heed
Posted by: Annihilated You
What you still have to remember is that halo 3 can be played by 4 people on the same xbox. The xbox is generating the game 4times that of single player.

COD4 and similar games sometimes look much better because they are created just so 1 or 2 people can play on that xbox. For this they face less limits that those that Halo 3 faces.

What is amazing about Halo 3 other than a million other things is that with the graphics, maps look astounding. The water reflects light and flows majestically.

But when you look at a tree and its leaves from 40 feet away it looks great but as you get closer its actually really basic.


Actually, COD 4 can also be played by 4 people through splitscreen. So it's pretty much the same situation as Halo 3.




4 people rendering an environment and player controlled characters is not the same as having the AI have to be more intelligent and fight multiple enemies when they're used to one, rendering four times the AI on one xbox.


Actually, Halo 3 only allows two players to play co-op on one xbox. Online co-op allows 4 players but otherwise you're only limited to 2 people per system for campaign.


Thats wasn't the point, I never stated that, I used 4 because we were using that number alot, as an example,

My point still stands,

  • 09.14.2009 5:53 AM PDT

Bring Back Rocket Race!!!

Posted by: CP0 Fraser
Posted by: General Heed
Posted by: CP0 Fraser
Posted by: General Heed
Posted by: Annihilated You
What you still have to remember is that halo 3 can be played by 4 people on the same xbox. The xbox is generating the game 4times that of single player.

COD4 and similar games sometimes look much better because they are created just so 1 or 2 people can play on that xbox. For this they face less limits that those that Halo 3 faces.

What is amazing about Halo 3 other than a million other things is that with the graphics, maps look astounding. The water reflects light and flows majestically.

But when you look at a tree and its leaves from 40 feet away it looks great but as you get closer its actually really basic.


Actually, COD 4 can also be played by 4 people through splitscreen. So it's pretty much the same situation as Halo 3.




4 people rendering an environment and player controlled characters is not the same as having the AI have to be more intelligent and fight multiple enemies when they're used to one, rendering four times the AI on one xbox.


Actually, Halo 3 only allows two players to play co-op on one xbox. Online co-op allows 4 players but otherwise you're only limited to 2 people per system for campaign.


Thats wasn't the point, I never stated that, I used 4 because we were using that number alot, as an example,

My point still stands,


Well I never actually disagreed with you that Halo 3 still has pretty amazing graphics. I was just stating the facts and offering a comparison.

Anyways, I have a thought. What if, instead of releasing Halo: Reach on the 360, Microsoft runs the game on some of their own super computers and then streams the game to Xbox Live users? Because they're using super computers, they could make the real-time graphics in Reach comparable if not better than pre-rendered graphics. I know this idea probably won't happen for Microsoft. But it's not really that far fetched.

There's a new console/online gaming service coming out called "On Live". Instead of buying the games on disc or downloading the games, you play the games live by having them streamed to you via internet. As long as your computer can play HD media and has a bandwidth capable of streaming HD media, then you can play the "On Live" games at full quality without needing a high end graphics card. And since we all know the Xbox 360 can handle streaming HD media, then the same could be applied for streaming HD gaming.

That would justify paying 50 dollars a year for Xbox Live. I would definitely pay those 50 bucks if all future games were streamed to my 360 from super computers that could make the graphics of the games look way better than pre-rendered graphics if not close to real life.

  • 09.14.2009 3:12 PM PDT

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dude that begining was filmed in a live studio bungie had an article on it when it came out.

  • 09.14.2009 3:18 PM PDT

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So what do you people think about my live gaming idea from above which would allow Halo: Reach's game engine to be near limitless in terms of graphics and many other things?

  • 09.14.2009 7:48 PM PDT

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Posted by: General Heed
So what do you people think about my live gaming idea from above which would allow Halo: Reach's game engine to be near limitless in terms of graphics and many other things?
It's insanely retarded.

Seriously, this thread has run it's course, and this pretty much capped it. No confirmation is needed for the fact that Bungie is, and has been building the engine for a while now, for the Xbox, using Xbox 360 developer kits.

By now, I think we know what to expect. Just don't expect too much. Like something "better than pre-rendered graphics". Sorry for bumping this, I had to get it out of my system.

  • 09.14.2009 8:52 PM PDT
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No.

Posted by: z0rgy
I know, it looks a lot better. but it also looks horribly unappealing to me. it's really like H2 with HD textures and better lighting if you're honest.

and lots, LOTS of aliasing.

the first time I've played H2, I had already played Perfect Dark Zero on the 360. I still was like "woaaaaah it looks so pretty *.* " when I saw the graphics. they are as good as the first next gen games.
the first time I've played H3, I was really disappointed.


Halo 2 was zero graphics all style. YOu can't really change from the foundation Halo 2 had. I mean, it was beautiful when it was released....

BUT. Most of the "bad graphics" are just the way the game looks. It's Halo's simplistic utilitarian style that makes everything look "bad". Halo 3 DOES look a HELL of a lot better than Halo 2 technically, but not stylistically. That's why ODST looks better than Halo 3. The artists just threwsome more pipes and crap into the levels and it looks more detailed---> better,

  • 09.15.2009 2:39 PM PDT

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Posted by: master piraka
Posted by: z0rgy
I know, it looks a lot better. but it also looks horribly unappealing to me. it's really like H2 with HD textures and better lighting if you're honest.

and lots, LOTS of aliasing.

the first time I've played H2, I had already played Perfect Dark Zero on the 360. I still was like "woaaaaah it looks so pretty *.* " when I saw the graphics. they are as good as the first next gen games.
the first time I've played H3, I was really disappointed.


Halo 2 was zero graphics all style. YOu can't really change from the foundation Halo 2 had. I mean, it was beautiful when it was released....

BUT. Most of the "bad graphics" are just the way the game looks. It's Halo's simplistic utilitarian style that makes everything look "bad". Halo 3 DOES look a HELL of a lot better than Halo 2 technically, but not stylistically. That's why ODST looks better than Halo 3. The artists just threwsome more pipes and crap into the levels and it looks more detailed---> better,


It wasn't an easy thing for the artists to do. They said they found a way to improve the Halo 3 Engine a [b]little[b] bit better. Which means they've been trying to squeeze some extra bits of performance from the already aged Halo 3 Engine. It looks a bit better but it's not going to hold up as long as Halo 3 did compared to other games for graphics.

As for Halo: Reach, my idea before would theoretically make the graphics near limitless but we all know that's not going to happen. As Bungie said, the engine is a whole new engine. It wasn't built from a previous engine like Halo 3 was. There hasn't been any Halo: Reach updates recently though because ODST is coming out.

  • 09.15.2009 3:03 PM PDT
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No.

Well, that's the thing with ODST.

They've made everything more lifelike, but also more extreem. I don't think the grapphics on the game will age very much because it looks too damn COOL. Not realistic, but COOL.

Kinda like Sly Cooper. Or rappappa the rapper. Not as exxadurated as those examples, but you see what I mean.

I'm just hoping to see Some screens of Reach. Maybe it wil at least live up to what I invisioned Halo 3 to be graphically.

[Edited on 09.15.2009 6:11 PM PDT]

  • 09.15.2009 6:10 PM PDT

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Posted by: master piraka
Well, that's the thing with ODST.

They've made everything more lifelike, but also more extreem. I don't think the grapphics on the game will age very much because it looks too damn COOL. Not realistic, but COOL.

Kinda like Sly Cooper. Or rappappa the rapper. Not as exxadurated as those examples, but you see what I mean.

I'm just hoping to see Some screens of Reach. Maybe it wil at least live up to what I invisioned Halo 3 to be graphically.


The graphics in ODST are a bit better, but it's still purely Halo 3 graphics and therefore are still a bit outdated. It's kind of like giving an old car a fresh coat of paint. It'll look a bit newer, but the visual style is still a bit noticeably outdated compared to newer games like Modern Warfare 2. As I much as I hate to admit that, it's true. MW 2's graphics are beyond Halo 3: ODST graphics.

And I don't really think Halo 3's graphics were meant to look like a comic or cartoon style. I think they were meant to look as realistically as possible.

Now with Halo: Reach, it's going to be like a 2010-2011 model of the Halo Car. lol that's kind of the best analogy I can come up with. I picture Reach's new game engine to be capable of graphics comparable if not better than Modern Warfare 2's graphics.

Who knows, the game engine used in Halo: Reach may one day be used in other games like how the Halo Engine was used in Stubbs The Zombie or how the Call of Duty 4 Engine was used in 007 Quantum of Solace. lol imagine Gears of War 3 running on the Halo: Reach Engine.

  • 09.15.2009 7:21 PM PDT
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i found something on xbox.com in the news section its about halo reach

www.Xbox.com

  • 09.16.2009 1:38 PM PDT
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No.

DON'T SIGN INTO THAT.

It's an account stealing site.

You little -blam!-, get the -blam!- off this forum.

  • 09.16.2009 3:00 PM PDT

Bring Back Rocket Race!!!

Posted by: master piraka
DON'T SIGN INTO THAT.

It's an account stealing site.

You little -blam!-, get the -blam!- off this forum.


Just report him them. Let the moderators take care of him.

  • 09.16.2009 3:01 PM PDT
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No.

Don't worry. I reported his pathetic little flat ass....


Now where were we?

[Edited on 09.16.2009 3:12 PM PDT]

  • 09.16.2009 3:11 PM PDT

Bring Back Rocket Race!!!

Posted by: master piraka
Don't worry. I reported his pathetic little flat ass....


Now where were we?


lol I think we were talking about how Halo: Reach's graphics might be comparable to Modern Warfare 2's graphics.

  • 09.16.2009 3:24 PM PDT
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You thought you lagged, it took jesus three days to respawn, and even then he commit suicide

well the game has been in developing for three years so i think it would be done now, I think bungie are creating hype/finnishing off.

  • 09.16.2009 3:29 PM PDT

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Posted by: ryan7i1145
well the game has been in developing for three years so i think it would be done now, I think bungie are creating hype/finnishing off.


No it's not done yet. The Halo: Reach multiplayer beta will be released sometime in early 2010. They said the game would be released in Fall 2010. So that means that there's still an entire year before the game is released. 1 year was enough time to make Halo 3: ODST. So they could change a lot about Halo: Reach within 1 year. They could probably scrap everything and start over within 1 year if they wanted. They probably wouldn't though.

  • 09.16.2009 3:38 PM PDT

Feet First

It will be something to see and play that is 110% positive. I cant wait

  • 09.16.2009 3:43 PM PDT
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No.

Posted by: General Heed
Posted by: ryan7i1145
well the game has been in developing for three years so i think it would be done now, I think bungie are creating hype/finnishing off.


No it's not done yet. The Halo: Reach multiplayer beta will be released sometime in early 2010. They said the game would be released in Fall 2010. So that means that there's still an entire year before the game is released. 1 year was enough time to make Halo 3: ODST. So they could change a lot about Halo: Reach within 1 year. They could probably scrap everything and start over within 1 year if they wanted. They probably wouldn't though.


That's what happened with Half-Life 2.

  • 09.18.2009 10:59 PM PDT

Bring Back Rocket Race!!!

Posted by: master piraka
Posted by: General Heed
Posted by: ryan7i1145
well the game has been in developing for three years so i think it would be done now, I think bungie are creating hype/finnishing off.


No it's not done yet. The Halo: Reach multiplayer beta will be released sometime in early 2010. They said the game would be released in Fall 2010. So that means that there's still an entire year before the game is released. 1 year was enough time to make Halo 3: ODST. So they could change a lot about Halo: Reach within 1 year. They could probably scrap everything and start over within 1 year if they wanted. They probably wouldn't though.


That's what happened with Half-Life 2.


Yeah and I hope it never will happen with Halo: Reach unless it's for a very good reason.

  • 09.19.2009 8:22 AM PDT
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No.

I just hope they're not as chop happy this time round. Halo 1 2 and 3 could have been 4 times more badass if they'd have had one more year of development behind them.

  • 09.22.2009 5:50 PM PDT

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Posted by: master piraka
I just hope they're not as chop happy this time round. Halo 1 2 and 3 could have been 4 times more badass if they'd have had one more year of development behind them.


Yeah but Bungie isn't the type of game developer that delays the release date of their game. Once they set a date, they don't change it. That's why Halo 2 wasn't as good as Bungie had planned it to be. They just simply didn't have enough time but they had to keep their promise of an on time release.

  • 09.22.2009 6:12 PM PDT
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No.

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NVM. I think this post deserves it's own thread. brb.



[Edited on 09.24.2009 3:26 PM PDT]

  • 09.24.2009 3:25 PM PDT

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Posted by: master piraka
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NVM. I think this post deserves it's own thread. brb.



I saw the thread. Interesting topic. I completely agree with it.

  • 09.24.2009 4:43 PM PDT
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Posted by: General Heed
Posted by: master piraka
Well, that's the thing with ODST.
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...but the visual style is still a bit noticeably outdated compared to newer games like Modern Warfare 2. As I much as I hate to admit that, it's true. MW 2's graphics are beyond Halo 3: ODST graphics.


Modern Warfare 2's Engine is outdated too...sry,if u compare CoD4 and MW2..they look like the same..MW2 got some little Tech Update...but its the same...

  • 09.24.2009 4:50 PM PDT