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Subject: What do we REALLY know about H:R?

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Look, I don't want to get into canon/non debate with anyone, because most everyone will have a different opinion as to what they consider "worthy".
The ONLY information we have about the game is from the short teaser video, so let's just look at what we know from that...

Basic Facts:
1F. "Halo:Reach" will have something to do with the battle(s) on/around planet Reach, and will probably include elements from the books "The Fall of Reach" and "First Strike".

2F. The opening slogan is: "From the beginning, you know the end"

3F. The closing tag is: "FALLS 2010"

4F. There are two characters identified as "Sierra-259" and "Sierra-320"

5F. There is a character/team identified as "Noble-1" or "Nova-1" (depending on how you hear it)

6F. From the line "...SPARTANs on the ground..." it is clear that SPARTANs are involved in some way. It is NOT clear whether or not we will play as one or not

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7F. Fermion Remote Scanning Outpost is mentioned. That outpost is actually in the novel as well. (thanks Loaja343)

8F. Halo:Reach is a prequel.


Now, some conjecture about each point:

1C. Just because it's called "Reach" does NOT mean it will cover all the events from either books; TFoR or FS. It is also unclear when exactly we will jump into the story....at the beginning of the battle? The middle? Before the main fighting even? All this is still up in the air for now. This also means that the identity's of the "poster characters" are also highly uncertain. Are they SPARTANs? Probably, but not necessarily. Is one of them John-117? Maybe, but I would guess probably not. Is the sniper Linda? It's possible, but again that depends A LOT on WHEN the game takes place....something we still DON'T KNOW.

2C. All this means to me is that you know Reach is toast, even from the beginning of the game.

3C. Simply a play on words, alluding to the general timeframe for the games release, and poking once again at the fact that Reach "fell".

4C. Sierra is most basically just the letter "S" in the phonetic alphabet. In Halo3, "Sierra-117" was used as a callsign to identify SPARTAN-117, i.e. S for SPARTAN, therefore Sierra would be appropriate. This does NOT mean that Sierra-259 and -320 are SPARTANS, however it is HIGHLY probable that is the case. There is no logical reason for Sierra to suddenly be used to identify a different unit, especially given the 3-digit number that follows.
IF they are SPARTANs, how do we explain the high number-ID's? It seems most likely that they are of the fabled "second class" of SPARTAN-II's, however this is VERY speculative. There is VERY LITTLE said about "class two", which honestly is why it's the most probably explanation, because it means there's less pre-existing info to conflict with.

5C. "Noble-1" is apparently a unit of some great importance, whether it's a person, a ship, a team, is unclear. It appears that Noble-1 has lost communication capability, has purposely gone silent for some reason, or otherwise cutoff.

6C. There will definitely be SPARTANs involved in some way, and personally I think we'll probably play as one, however at this point that is NOT a sure thing. With just the teaser-vid to go from, it's still up in the air WHO/WHAT the main playable character(s) will be.

7C. No conjecture at this time.\

8C. We don't know what is meant exactly by the term "prequel", meaning we don't know what exactly H:R is a prequel to. Obviously SOME of H:R will cover things prior to Halo:Combat Evolved, however it is unknown where exactly in the Halo timeline H:R fits.

If we are to take the term 'prequel' in it's most literal form, that is to say "all of H:R takes place before Halo1", then we are limited to events that take place BEFORE the Pillar of Autumn leaves Reach. This would mean that John and Linda could be in H:R, but to what extent is still unknown.

However, if "prequel" is to be used more loosely, then some of H:R might overlap the timeline of Halo1, which is entirely possible.

Added point about the use of "Sierra":

Technically, the use of Sierra in the H:R trailer "predates" the use of Sierra-117 in Halo3, chronologically. Regardless of what "Sierra" means in H:R, "Sierra-117" is not the FIRST time the ID is used. It's actually the THIRD, that we know of.

Therefore, if "Sierra-117" is actually the THIRD time that moniker is used, and it's used to ID a SPARTAN, it would be logical to conclude that "Sierra" is the callsign chosen to identify SPARTANs.


Remember; until Bungie says it, NO ONE knows the tru7h. Please stop bombarding the forums with "proof."

~ Mid7night

[Edited on 07.29.2009 12:08 PM PDT]

  • 07.27.2009 1:37 PM PDT

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All we really know is that it will be a First Person Shooter, and it is a prequel.

  • 07.27.2009 1:40 PM PDT

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  • 07.27.2009 1:42 PM PDT

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Speaking of which is "Falls 2010" a pun, you know, because Reach falls?

  • 07.27.2009 1:44 PM PDT

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We don't know much, but we can reason a lot of things. For example even though it isn't confirmed by Bungie, we'll face the Covenant horde in this game.

  • 07.27.2009 1:45 PM PDT

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OP, in the first line of the trailer, the Fermion Remote Scanning Outpost is mentioned. That outpost is actually in the novel as well.

  • 07.27.2009 2:05 PM PDT

Your toast has been burned! And NO amount of scraping will remove the black parts!!.

Posted by: Loaja343
OP, in the first line of the trailer, the Fermion Remote Scanning Outpost is mentioned. That outpost is actually in the novel as well.


Thanks, I added that to the list.

I guess no one wants to hear the voice of reason, they'd rather debate new guns and #########(topic censored to prevent further ridiculous discussion).

  • 07.29.2009 7:31 AM PDT
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Posted by: POKEY CLYDE
All we really know is that it will be a First Person Shooter, and it is a prequel.

  • 07.29.2009 8:33 AM PDT

Your toast has been burned! And NO amount of scraping will remove the black parts!!.

I made this point in another thread, but it bears repeating, and a little more explanation.

Regarding the term "Sierra":

Technically, the use of Sierra in the H:R trailer "predates" the use of Sierra-117 in Halo3, chronologically. Regardless of what "Sierra" means in H:R, "Sierra-117" is not the FIRST time the ID is used. It's actually the THIRD, that we know of.

Therefore, if "Sierra-117" is actually the THIRD time that moniker is used, and it's used to ID a SPARTAN, it would be logical to conclude that "Sierra" is the callsign chosen to identify SPARTANs.

I'm not saying this is "proof" of anything, it's just MY logical conclusion.


~ Mid7night

[Edited on 07.29.2009 8:37 AM PDT]

  • 07.29.2009 8:36 AM PDT

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Posted by: tha man
Speaking of which is "Falls 2010" a pun, you know, because Reach falls?
And the Spartans of Red Team fall to the surface of Reach from their disabled Pelican, like how the ODSTs in Halo 3: ODST ("Drops 2009") drop to the surface of the Earth in their HEVs.

  • 07.29.2009 8:38 AM PDT

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Posted by: MLG Cheehwawa
Posted by: tha man
Speaking of which is "Falls 2010" a pun, you know, because Reach falls?
And the Spartans of Red Team fall to the surface of Reach from their disabled Pelican, like how the ODSTs in Halo 3: ODST ("Drops 2009") drop to the surface of the Earth in their HEVs.


I really don't think that's a major point, I think "Falls 2010" is just a play on words referring to the book title "The Fall of Reach".

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  • 07.29.2009 9:25 AM PDT

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Posted by: MLG Cheehwawa
Posted by: tha man
Speaking of which is "Falls 2010" a pun, you know, because Reach falls?
And the Spartans of Red Team fall to the surface of Reach from their disabled Pelican, like how the ODSTs in Halo 3: ODST ("Drops 2009") drop to the surface of the Earth in their HEVs.


I really don't think that's a major point, I think "Falls 2010" is just a play on words referring to the book title "The Fall of Reach".
I doubt it refers to The Fall of Reach, though it probably does refer to the fall/conquest of the planet Reach (which we see mainly in First Strike). I think it could also refer to a Fall release in 2010, as well as Red Team's fall (same formula as ODST's tagline).

  • 07.29.2009 9:54 AM PDT

One more thing you need to look at is the picture. You can see five people, and they look like they're in some kind of armor. I zoomed in the picture a lot and it looks a lot like the ODST group you play as in Halo 3: ODST. All the way to the left is a pretty big guy with another weird thing next to him. When i zoomed in I saw it is a turret. He also looks like he has some big guns on his back. It looks a lot like Dutch. On his right there is a pretty skinny person who looks a lot like Dare. The person also doesn't anything big on her, and whenever we see Dare she has a pistol. Then the guy in the middle looks like the Rookie because 1. he's in the center and if it is him he would be the main character. 2. He's holding the same gun we see him with a lot. (I forgot the name) Then the guy all the way on the right looks a lot like Romeo cause he has a sniper and that's what Romeo's specialty is. Then the guy between the Rookie and Romeo could either be Mickey or Buck. That's one problem there are 5 people in the picture, but 6 people in the ODST group. Who knows, maybe something happened to someone in the group? Just saying, I know I'm probably wrong, but I thought I'd just throw the idea out there.

  • 07.29.2009 11:06 AM PDT

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Dare wasn't a member of the squad until right before Halo 3 ODST begins (Buck was squad leader until she took over).

  • 07.29.2009 11:09 AM PDT

Posted by: MLG Cheehwawa
Dare wasn't a member of the squad until right before Halo 3 ODST begins (Buck was squad leader until she took over).
How do you know that? and when Reach takes place could be after ODST cause ODST is also a prequel.

  • 07.29.2009 11:12 AM PDT

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Posted by: dave117
How do you know that? and when Reach takes place could be after ODST cause ODST is also a prequel.


Umm, NO.

Halo:ODST takes place during the events of Halo2 and Halo3.

Halo:Reach is a prequel to Halo1.

Furthermore, if H:R is strictly a prequel to Halo1 in it's entirety, then it's unlikely to include any elements from the book "First Strike", since those events take place after the events of Halo1.

~ Mid7night

  • 07.29.2009 11:55 AM PDT

Your toast has been burned! And NO amount of scraping will remove the black parts!!.

Sorry for the double post, but I've added points 8F and 8C to the OP, and I'm expanding on those points here.

We don't know what is meant exactly by the term "prequel", meaning we don't know what exactly H:R is a prequel to. Obviously SOME of H:R will cover things prior to Halo:Combat Evolved, however it is unknown where exactly in the Halo timeline H:R fits.

If we are to take the term 'prequel' in it's most literal form, that is to say "all of H:R takes place before Halo1", then we are limited to events that take place BEFORE the Pillar of Autumn leaves Reach. This would mean that John and Linda could be in H:R.

However given the comment made by Sierra-259 - "...SPARTANs on the ground..." - and also considering Bungie's history of games, it's apparent to me that H:R will be a game of ground battles, and thus involve events on the surface of Reach. This certainly doesn't preclude the possibility of cutscenes expanding on space-events, but I think it's highly unlikely that we'll be doing battle in space, especially the zero-G battles involving John and Linda.

That said, if "prequel" is to be used more loosely, then some of H:R might overlap the timeline of Halo1, which is entirely possible.

  • 07.29.2009 12:16 PM PDT