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Subject: Improved Multiplayer Gender Representation?

Here’s what Luke had to say about the differences in treatment between the Spartans and Elites in Reach:

“Instead of piece-by-piece customization like the Spartans, Elite customization is a full model swap with models selected from the various Elite classes appearing throughout the Campaign. There are all kinds of reasons for this, not the least of which is our continued emphasis on the Spartan as your identity in Reach.”

They wouldn't build an entire exosuit model just for female spartans, they would make the inside suit different to make the plates fit the woman's smaller frame.

That way, the inexpensive inner suit would make the armor plates fit for any person.

  • 07.27.2009 11:34 PM PDT

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If it were doable to customize the size of your player model, depending on the size, they'll have their own compensations to stabilize the combat equilibrium.

  • 07.27.2009 11:41 PM PDT

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You are generalizing girls, saying that they are smaller then men.

Whilst some girls are taller then some men, and vice versa.

Yes; In most mammalian species, males are typically larger than females. There's only a few that comprise of females that are larger than males (ex: Spotted Hyena). The majority of the primate species boast males that are typically larger than females, which include us, the humans, which Spartans are. In numerous invertebrate species and particular vertebrate species, that's a different account. For reptiles, generally superior females arise in snakes and turtles, whereas for lizards, tuataras, worm lizards, and crocodilians, the males are typically superior. Birds fluctuate, however. The ruby throated hummingbird is an exemplar whereas the females are superior to males. Particular fish, like deep sea anglers, comprise of exceptionally diminutive males, which latch onto their female, and throughout time, the male will deteriorate and solely be converted into a bulge of reproductive organs. Frogs and toads encompass the distinctive "smaller male" quality; however, for bullfrogs, the males are generally larger. Most arthropods comprise of smaller males, yet, not all abide by this regulation. Males of numerous species of beetle are typically superior to their female counterparts. Cockroaches have larger, heftier females, however, the males are more belligerent and the colony is typically managed by a patriarchy, as a substitute for a matriarchy. The males of particular phasmid species are additionally more aggressive than females. This order of insects may comprise of males that are vaguely slighter than females; however, they're more insistent and will generally cannibalize off of their female counterparts additionally, if protein is inadequate in their habitation.

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  • 07.27.2009 11:48 PM PDT

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You are generalizing girls, saying that they are smaller then men.
Please bestow me with an improved rationale of why I'd be chauvinist in contradiction of females? I have affirmed the specifics. I by no means supposed anything regarding males subsisting "better" than females, or visa versa. In a population percentage, more male -blam!- sapiens are loftier than more female -blam!- sapiens.

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  • 07.28.2009 12:26 AM PDT
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Why don't you level 50's out there, when you finally decide to apply for colleges...why don't you put that you were a level 50 on your application. And put it on your job resume, too. See how much it matters, and how much people care.

If they did what you suggest it wouldn't make any sense. the models need to have the same target area or they are unfair.

And not to mention that female spartans were as big and muscular as the male spartans. in fact some female spartans where larger.
They all wore the exact same armor, as all the parts are interchangeable between each spartan
In the Halo universe no one outside the spartan group aside from halsey could tell the spartans apart, male or female. if you stood John next to Linda, you wouldn't know which one was male or which one was female. they would be wearing the same armor.

What you don't understand is that the gender difference and -blam!-ity of all the spartans was all but destroyed during their upbringing due to things like steriods and radical medical procedures. as in the body shapes were basically the same. the guys gentials where probably about the size of a walnut and the females chest was like board with pancakes nailed to it.

TL;DR
Female and male spartans wore the same armor and you couldnt tell a guy from girl if they stood next to each other

  • 07.28.2009 12:59 AM PDT

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Excuse me for not examining every single one of the Halo Novels. :P
However, I require an individual to explicate to me why the Sangheili can't portray -blam!- dimorphism? I understood that the females still had broader thighs and a sleeker build, in addition to more prominent eye ridges.

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  • 07.28.2009 1:10 AM PDT
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Posted by: Timtaztix
Why don't you level 50's out there, when you finally decide to apply for colleges...why don't you put that you were a level 50 on your application. And put it on your job resume, too. See how much it matters, and how much people care.

Posted by: XxMuNcHmOnKeYxX
Excuse me for not examining every single one of the Halo Novels. :P
However, I require an individual to explicate to me why the Sangheili can't portray -blam!- dimorphism? I understood that the females still had broader thighs and a sleeker build, in addition to more prominent eye ridges.

about elites, im not sure but i dont remember mention ever of any female elites in any combat situations from any of the cannon

  • 07.28.2009 2:06 AM PDT

Yeah.. lets just make it easier for nerds to say OMFGWTF>!>! A gIrl On t3h Int3rw3bz

  • 07.28.2009 3:03 AM PDT

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Usze 'Taham, the Elite in the Claret colored Assault Body Armor, that you may perhaps participate as in four- player Campaign, has a back- story asserting that his father procreated with his mother, and received him. It appears that the female Sangheili aren't typically permitted to function in any martial relationships. Merely, under infrequent circumstances, are female Sangheili employed into the militia.

The Article on Usze 'Taham





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  • 07.28.2009 3:05 AM PDT

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The state of affairs that I'm acknowledging is in the customizable multiplayer individuals, from which you could select the gender of your character representation.

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  • 07.28.2009 3:09 AM PDT

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Sheesh............

  • 07.28.2009 7:51 AM PDT

I've been reading through the arguments in this thread, and the one that kept cropping up was "Oh well all Spartans wore the same armour."

Well, Multiplayer isn't canon. If it was, then we wouldn't have CBQ, Recon, Hayabusa, etc etc.

As for the hitboxes thing, jeez just make the female Spartan the same size as the male Spartan. It really makes no difference. I like this idea, although I am unsure about Elites. I don't even think they're allowed to fight.

  • 07.28.2009 8:03 AM PDT

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It's been said all SPARTANS and identical in armor, except for height.

As for female Elites, It's known only male Elites go to war, and the female option was just out into Halo 3 to stem the complaints of no Female Elites or Spartans.

I like your idea however, but it can only be [i[slightly[/i] different from the original model.

Who else thinks your gender should be set in Reach based on your Xbox LIVE contact information settings? That way, if you are Female, you always get to be a female, if you are male, you are male.

It would be changeable though of course, that would just be the default.

Good idea, anyways!

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Essentially, the gender appointed at a default arrangement, regarding your Xbox LIVE commerce statistics, is an exceedingly fine initiative.

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  • 07.28.2009 10:34 AM PDT

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There is no greater catharsis than arguing on the Flood.

I think it's somewhat pointless. As long as they keep all their armor on, the only differences you can tell is their voice.

  • 07.28.2009 10:41 AM PDT

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Examine what I proposed for the Sangheili.

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  • 07.28.2009 10:43 AM PDT
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See here's the problem with the female Spartan you posted. She looks like she weighs 110 lbs, an Elite could break her in half between his fingers. Also, female Spartans underwent the same vigorous training the male Spartans went though. They lifted weights just as much as male Spartans, they ran as much as male Spartans. Female Spartans are just as big, bulky, and muscular as male Spartans. Therefore, when they have their armor on, they will look the same as male Spartans.

  • 07.28.2009 10:45 AM PDT
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No.

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But in no way would a Girl's armour be different.

A Marine girl's armour isn't different, and neither is a Spartans. If you want to be more feminine, choose pink as a colour.

I'm sure that all the feminist in the Halo Universe argued, "OH why is a Girl's armour different then a man's armour?!?! They should be the same, equality amongst all!"

So they got what they wanted, and now you want to change that.


Female marines are built differently than male marines in Halo 3.



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  • 07.28.2009 11:32 AM PDT

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I'm going into depth in the midst of Sangheili females. However, females and males of diverse primate species are, nonetheless, distinguishable other than glimpsing at their genitals and torso/breasts. In hominids, females acquire more prominent thighs, for procreation. It's natural. That's why female humans typically acquire more evident thighs than their masculine counterparts. It is, as a result, that the progeny may perhaps be passed trough the delivery channel, for the reason that, contrasted to other mammals, humans encompass relatively outsized heads, in association to their bodies. A larger head on an offspring, signifies a larger delivery channel, to facilitate it to bypass all the way through.


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  • 07.28.2009 11:34 AM PDT
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No.

The harsh reality is that female spartans have female breasts. In every book that touched on the subject, they say that female spartans can start families after "retirement". A girl in a male chestplate would be as akward as a dude in a G string. *crunch*

As for female elites...idk...

Why don't we all Email Joe Staten and ask how elite 'gina works?

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  • 07.28.2009 11:36 AM PDT

All these people complaining about female spartans having an "advantage" because of their shape have obviously never heard of huge hitboxes, which Halo2/3 have in spades.

  • 07.28.2009 11:38 AM PDT

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I typically envisage more robust woman encompassing more prominent breasts (real, not surgically implanted) as well.

  • 07.28.2009 11:41 AM PDT
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I dont get it. What is all this buisness about people wanting female characters to look more female. Everything is fine. Its not a big deal. God people just want to find a way to complain about something. Here let me tell you something crucial. ITS A VIDEO GAME!

Whew. Good to get that off my chest.

  • 07.28.2009 11:44 AM PDT

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Spartan Dogs would be fantastic in Campaign mode, engaging in battle in conjunction with Spartan Humans. The Spartan Humans shall mount on these Spartan Bulls! :P
In actuality, however, do you deduce that the UNSC possessed Spartan War dogs? I didn't examine a lot of the volumes; I only read two graphic novels.

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