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Subject: Reach needs to be the end... Bungie.... To the lifeboats!
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So, Ive always seen the halo franchise as the titanic... An amazing ship, vast, open to exploration, with many features, and a good multipassenger experience...

Halo 1 was the launch of the ship, when all of its luxuries were put on board.
Halo 2 was the passenger boarding the ship and experience its social cabin and swimming pool (xbl)
and Halo 3 was the luxurious trip full of amenities (forge, theater) and luxury.


I think we all knew what happened to the titanic next.... It SANK.

Halo wars was the Iceberg....

Because of it bungie is in a tight spot.
It either lets microsoft let other game developers do a half-baked version of halo and make a mockery of Bungie's hard earned franchise, Or it forces itself to pick up the slack.

Right now, Bungie is the band onboard the titanic, cranking out songs to calm the passengers down, These songs may be masterpieces named ODST and REACH. But they cant help keep the boat affloat.... eventually the Halo bubble will pop. And Bungie needs to find plan B.... NOW.


Many feel that microsoft is beating a dead horse with the halo franchise, sure halo isnt dead... yet....

But wasnt halo 3 advertised as the end of the franchise / trilogy.... Why must microsoft beat out The phantom menace of Halo? ( i mean seriously.... a halo anime, really?)

Eventually Bungie will find itself in a position where they are defined by halo, this must not happen as it will ruin them... they need to branch out and try something different.


Bungie employees seem to have an affinity for fighters, why not make a fighting game? or better yet remake ONI, a mix between a third person shooter and a fighter?

Bungie as a band needs to find the lifeboat or else they will forever be seen as "those guys who made halo" not "that awesome game company whose accomplishments INCLUDE halo among other things"

REACH needs to be the last hurra for bungie halo.... or at least there needs to be another game to help bungie maintain a varied repertoire, You cant just play Bethovens fifth all day and expect tips!

Don't get me wrong, I'm very enthused about the upcoming Bungie titles, i just want something different, an ONI remake?, a third person shooter? a fighter? a racer? Tetris combat evolved?
I dont care what it is, i just hope as a fan of bungie, that it doesn't go down with the titanic, that this great chamber ensemble of a game dev. manages to find that lifeboat and get off the sinking ship to live another day and make great games.

As always i expect nothing but the best, and I'm sure ill get it. But i fear that halo as a franchise is doomed no matter how well bungie makes the next game.

  • 07.27.2009 10:03 PM PDT

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The Halo franchise started going downhill (in terms of gameplay and story only) in Halo 2 and 3. Hopefully REACH will be closer to the original in its gameplay formula and meaningful story.

  • 07.27.2009 10:09 PM PDT
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Posted by: Caseadia31
nice metaphors, but who ever said halo wars was a bad game?


I and everyone i know who bought it did....

but to each his own....

  • 07.27.2009 10:09 PM PDT

Posted by: Caseadia31
nice metaphors, but who ever said halo wars was a bad game?

i agree halo wars is good

  • 07.27.2009 10:10 PM PDT
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Posted by: N4T1V3 BO1
Posted by: Caseadia31
nice metaphors, but who ever said halo wars was a bad game?

i agree halo wars is good


regardless if its good or not, it will embolden microsoft to allow other game companies to have a go at halo.... corroding and eventually destroying the quality of the halo brand

  • 07.27.2009 10:12 PM PDT

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Actually, I find that I'm more invincible without pants, which is why I am not wearing any at the moment.

I liked Halo Wars.

  • 07.27.2009 10:12 PM PDT

Ugh...

First on a BWU.. yeah, I'm cool.

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I would like the dead horse to be beaten. I love Halo and it's story.
Edit: ONI sucked (IMO)

[Edited on 07.27.2009 10:13 PM PDT]

  • 07.27.2009 10:13 PM PDT
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Posted by: POKEY CLYDE
I would like the dead horse to be beaten. I love Halo and it's story.
Edit: ONI sucked (IMO)


I completely disagree as far as ONI goes, but Bungie does need to create something different, in tandem with halo perhaps.

  • 07.27.2009 10:15 PM PDT

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I appreciated that game. I still amuse myself with it on junctures. The cinematics crushed
Halo 3's. For a stratagem game, Halo Wars comprised of excellent graphics.

[Edited on 07.27.2009 10:21 PM PDT]

  • 07.27.2009 10:17 PM PDT

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Posted by: Caseadia31
nice metaphors, but who ever said halo wars was a bad game?

Plus, it's not Bungie's creation anyways.

  • 07.27.2009 10:18 PM PDT
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Posted by: Phoenix9508
Posted by: Caseadia31
nice metaphors, but who ever said halo wars was a bad game?

Plus, it's not Bungie's creation anyways.


I know..... its ensemble's..... but it started the decline in halo games in my oppinion and will lead to an oversaturation of the halo franchise

  • 07.27.2009 10:23 PM PDT

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Who ever actually said it was a good game?
I alleged it was an admirable game. That's a more superior assertion than just saying "Halo Wars is a good game". Currently, Sonic the -blam!-hog; that's a scandalous game franchise and a ignominy to factual hedgehogs.

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Fictional F a g g o t (I don't perceive a resemblance to a factual hedgehog. It appears akin to a retarded sphere of spikes.)

[Edited on 07.27.2009 10:36 PM PDT]

  • 07.27.2009 10:25 PM PDT
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Posted by: XxMuNcHmOnKeYxX
Who ever actually said it was a good game?
I alleged it was an admirable game. That's a more superior assertion than just saying "Halo Wars is a good game". Currently, Sonic the -blam!-hog; that's a scandalous game franchise and a ignominy to factual hedgehogs.

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NICE, Sonic is a perfect example of a game franchise that was beaten to death... Hopefully this wont happen to halo, But it might, and if it does, Bungie needs a fall back plan

  • 07.27.2009 10:38 PM PDT

Ugh...

First on a BWU.. yeah, I'm cool.

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Posted by: XxMuNcHmOnKeYxX
Who ever actually said it was a good game?
I alleged it was an admirable game. That's a more superior assertion than just saying "Halo Wars is a good game". Currently, Sonic the -blam!-hog; that's a scandalous game franchise and a ignominy to factual hedgehogs.

Factual Furbal

Fictional F a g g o t (I don't perceive a resemblance to a factual hedgehog. It appears akin to a retarded sphere of spikes.)




NICE, Sonic is a perfect example of a game franchise that was beaten to death... Hopefully this wont happen to halo, But it might, and if it does, Bungie needs a fall back plan
The difference between Sonic and Halo was Sonic changed immensely.

Say Halo were to go to an RTS (wait, it did, and it didn't fair to well... it got most of it's sales because you noobie fan boys wanted the mythic a couple weeks early) anyways, if Halo were to go somewhere where it didn't belong, then it would be beaten to death.

If Bungie were to make a new Halo game every couple of years, like every 3-5 years, then I wouldn't see a problem with it. Aslong as the story was good, and the multi-player was good then there really wouldn't be a problem.

Sonic went from 2D scrollin' to Sonic 3D exploring. Knuckles franchise. Etc. Etc. Were it didn't belong. If it just stuck with 2D scrolling, it would be doing fine.

But it turned into something it wasn't, which killed it.

Like, if Halo was to be full compatible with NATAL, and you didn't need a controller, well, then that would be Halo being beaten to death.

I am afraid of other developers, and other gaming companies beating Halo to death.

But if Bungie were to be beating the horse, surely the horse would not die.

[Edited on 07.27.2009 11:14 PM PDT]

  • 07.27.2009 11:13 PM PDT

Here’s what Luke had to say about the differences in treatment between the Spartans and Elites in Reach:

“Instead of piece-by-piece customization like the Spartans, Elite customization is a full model swap with models selected from the various Elite classes appearing throughout the Campaign. There are all kinds of reasons for this, not the least of which is our continued emphasis on the Spartan as your identity in Reach.”

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Posted by: Caseadia31
nice metaphors, but who ever said halo wars was a bad game?

i agree halo wars is good


regardless if its good or not, it will embolden microsoft to allow other game companies to have a go at halo.... corroding and eventually destroying the quality of the halo brand
343 productions is taking the next stab, after Halo Reach. IGN has an article with a guy from Bungie saying that Reach is the last Bungie made Halo game.

  • 07.27.2009 11:17 PM PDT

Ugh...

First on a BWU.. yeah, I'm cool.

ODST;MYTHIC Screenshot winner! One of the first to get their hands on the mythic map pack.

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Posted by: Caseadia31
nice metaphors, but who ever said halo wars was a bad game?

i agree halo wars is good


regardless if its good or not, it will embolden microsoft to allow other game companies to have a go at halo.... corroding and eventually destroying the quality of the halo brand
343 productions is taking the next stab, after Halo Reach. IGN has an article with a guy from Bungie saying that Reach is the last Bungie made Halo game.
There is speculation that they meant last Halo game on the 360.

  • 07.27.2009 11:20 PM PDT
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I totally agree. I would love if Bungie came up with a Halo game every 3-5 years just to keep the story going cause thats a part of the franchise I just adore and love.
I hate to admit but Halo Wars was so-so for me cause the gameplay just gets boring and trieing but when I first got my hands on it was amazing and totally new cause I never knew Halo could be fun as an RTS

  • 07.27.2009 11:35 PM PDT

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Halo: Legends is the final nail in the coffin. From this point forward, Halo belongs to Microsoft. Bungie has already bailed on the Master Chief and are off developing something unrelated to Halo. Who knows what it'll be though.

  • 07.27.2009 11:56 PM PDT
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Uhh halo wars wasn't its sink, Halo Wars was for RTS'ers and apparently you're an FPS person, thats the reason it was horrible because you think different, I prefer FPS over RTS anyday BUT it's for the smart ones, not the shooters.

  • 07.28.2009 12:27 AM PDT

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Posted by: Caseadia31
nice metaphors, but who ever said halo wars was a bad game?

Plus, it's not Bungie's creation anyways.

wrong its bungies creation but the ip was sold to microsoft

  • 07.28.2009 12:35 AM PDT

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