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Subject: Halo Reach works on new engine, what do you expect?

It's not coincedence that Santa and Satan are spelled with the same letters.

From several news posts on different sites I have heard that Halo: Reach will be running on a new engine. We all know what this means:
Improvement.
Now, what kind of improvement? Could we expect Gears of War-like HD graphics?
A massive multiplayer online system like in Delta Force 2? (one of my fav games btw)
Tell me people, what are you're expectations for the new engine?

[Edited on 07.28.2009 4:59 AM PDT]

  • 07.28.2009 4:53 AM PDT

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How I got Recon.

I hope it isn't GOW graphics, I never was a fan of the gray scale.

But jokes aside I think there will definately be a lot of changes in the new game. It could be anything really, you never really know with Bungie.

I would personally like to have maybe instead of a maximum of 16 players, double it to 32. 16vs16 wouldn't stress the servers to much if done right, and would be very fun if everyone had good connections. You can never do much to help that though unfortunately.

  • 07.28.2009 4:58 AM PDT

It's not coincedence that Santa and Satan are spelled with the same letters.

I was kinda talking about the high detail of Gears of War, not really the color scale. I'm not a fan of that either. Processing power is increasing incredibly over time, who knows how much a server can take in 2010. What are the graphic standards in 2010 going to be like? We can't look into the future, but we can still reason into it.

  • 07.28.2009 5:03 AM PDT
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  • 07.28.2009 5:57 AM PDT
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Posted by: Jeot21
I was kinda talking about the high detail of Gears of War, not really the color scale. I'm not a fan of that either. Processing power is increasing incredibly over time, who knows how much a server can take in 2010. What are the graphic standards in 2010 going to be like? We can't look into the future, but we can still reason into it.

Graphical standards on the Xbox 360 will not be much better than they are now, they have already maxed out the 360's abilities, now all they can do is find more efficient ways of running it.

  • 07.28.2009 6:18 AM PDT

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A better engine (although i do love Halo 3's engine) would be great- ONLY IF IT HAS MORE THAN 3 COLORS!

  • 07.28.2009 6:42 AM PDT
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Posted by: Sanjeev
Killzone 2. With Color.
And Energy Swords.

Believe. Fall 2010.
This may actually be very true. As far as I can remember, I think someone sent a message to some microsoft or Bungie guy (I really can't remember) asking "When will we see graphics like Uncharted 2 or Killzone 2 on the xbox360 sir."

The Bungie/Microsoft guy replied "Just wait until you see Halo REACH!"

  • 07.28.2009 6:45 AM PDT

It's not coincedence that Santa and Satan are spelled with the same letters.

Posted by: HIGGINZ08
Posted by: Sanjeev
Killzone 2. With Color.
And Energy Swords.

Believe. Fall 2010.
This may actually be very true. As far as I can remember, I think someone sent a message to some microsoft or Bungie guy (I really can't remember) asking "When will we see graphics like Uncharted 2 or Killzone 2 on the xbox360 sir."

The Bungie/Microsoft guy replied "Just wait until you see Halo REACH!"

Ny that Think they mean it will be better... O_O

[Edited on 07.28.2009 7:10 AM PDT]

  • 07.28.2009 7:05 AM PDT

It's not coincedence that Santa and Satan are spelled with the same letters.

Posted by: Sanjeev
Killzone 2. With Color.
And Energy Swords.

Believe. Fall 2010.

AND you don't get to play as a midget.

  • 07.28.2009 7:14 AM PDT

16vs16 WITH BOATS!
So i can make the perfect Halo music video.... IAM ON A BOAT!
And i loved the GoW grapthics but i dont see bungie making a game like that.

  • 07.28.2009 7:20 AM PDT

It's not coincedence that Santa and Satan are spelled with the same letters.

Bungie has great graphics in a different way that Epic games.

  • 07.28.2009 8:04 AM PDT

There are those who said this day would never come, what a day to say now.

it would look a lot better if the game used similar gow graphics.
or atleast less colour.
(assuming that it used a new engine)

Sometimes i swear is see little butterfly's swarming around by head, while bunnyhopping trough a perfect green grass field with my light green shiny armour.
While shooting out the brainz of my nice -perfectly gold armoured brute friend.

bungie, please less coulor's and more blood.
.. but that makes things more red(and blue)... -_-''
(just add a lot more shadow then ;P)


but i prefer large scale battles over graphics, (my opinion)
just the idea that we are fighing a real war.

what brings me to another topic here on the site. pvp missions, fighing 4 vs 4 alongside AI to complete missions (elites vs spartens).



  • 07.28.2009 9:25 AM PDT

It's not coincedence that Santa and Satan are spelled with the same letters.

They gotta make a better lighting system. I'm talking about the glow-in-the-dark spartan/elites when you're standing in a pitch black room, you shouldn't be able to see youself nor other spartans/elites. Still, I do. It's kinda annoying. I don't know why, but it is.

  • 07.28.2009 3:32 PM PDT
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Posted by: HIGGINZ08
Posted by: Sanjeev
Killzone 2. With Color.
And Energy Swords.

Believe. Fall 2010.
This may actually be very true. As far as I can remember, I think someone sent a message to some microsoft or Bungie guy (I really can't remember) asking "When will we see graphics like Uncharted 2 or Killzone 2 on the xbox360 sir."

The Bungie/Microsoft guy replied "Just wait until you see Halo REACH!"


the M$ guy said that "HR [was] M$'s response to KZ2", exactly.

  • 07.28.2009 3:35 PM PDT

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This man, this man right here put it so eloquently that I actually cancelled my own 2000+ word long post.
/slow clap for respect


:)
The person who said participating is important, not winning, obviously never won anything.

Better Face animations, and better rag doll phyisics. The halo 3 engine is fine to me. And is this new engine made by Bungie or what?

  • 07.28.2009 3:38 PM PDT

Better human faces, and animations are all I want. Hell, I think the animations actually look decent during gameplay, but the animations in the cutscenes and facial animations are horrible.

I don't mind as long as they keep the colors.

  • 07.28.2009 3:44 PM PDT
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Posted by: disgruntledfan2
Better human faces, and animations are all I want. Hell, I think the animations actually look decent during gameplay, but the animations in the cutscenes and facial animations are horrible.

I don't mind as long as they keep the colors.


do you think the "air swimming spartan death by grenade" animation you've seen since HCE is getting REALLY lame though?

  • 07.28.2009 3:46 PM PDT
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Gears of War 2?

I hardly believe it looked good at all. The lighting and shaders are superb, but details are only...well, detailed if you're far enough away not to notice some of the horrible textures and even some of the lighting and materials. Foliage is mostly comprised of criss-crossing sprites. The game can also barely keep up with more than ten enemies onscreen at once (the "gigantic hordes" don't count, their AI is nonexistant and they serve as node-to-node entities), and the vegetation and clutter is seriously lacking detail. I guess that the intricate patterns and simple techniques like bump mapping layered one on top of the other help preserve detail.

I would personally like to see a whole bunch of elements in the engine: terrain tessellation for environmental detail scaling as seen in BF: Bad Company, some destructible environments, HDR (or an HDR hybrid like Halo 3's) with dual framebuffers to blend LDR and HDR values for some incredible lighting, normalized motion blur, and some form of ambient occlusion. Oh, and don't forget shinier more upgraded features already seen in Halo 3/ODST such as the volumetric fog, weather, atmospheric haze, gigantic skyboxes, amazing effects, the water, water shaders, shaders in general, and more.

I don't expect anti-aliasing, because the beautiful lighting more than makes up for it. Some anisotropic filtering would be nice though, and over the years, I think Bungie has been able to pull of local, moving lights capable of global illumination, dynamic shadowing, and overall improved GI. Baked ambient occlusion and depth of field are seen in cutscenes - DOF can be used to give dramatic effect to scenes and can reduce impact of jaggies. Ambient occlusion makes lighting on characters and environments look bawss. These would be great elements to key moments in gameplay.

Oh, also, moar alpha foliage. The 360 is good with it. Foliage should cast shadows and needs moar specular to make it look a little more lifelike.

  • 07.28.2009 4:11 PM PDT

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more AI enemy renders. i expect to see 100+ on screen at one time. sorta like Ninety-Nine Nights.

  • 07.28.2009 4:28 PM PDT

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Posted by: disgruntledfan2
Better human faces, and animations are all I want. Hell, I think the animations actually look decent during gameplay, but the animations in the cutscenes and facial animations are horrible.

I don't mind as long as they keep the colors.


i disagree. i think the facial movements in halo3 were awesome. When Truth told Johnson he was weak, you could see in johnsons face and eyes he became really pissed off.

  • 07.28.2009 4:31 PM PDT

I honestly don't know what exactly to expect, but these are things I'd like improved upon from the last engine they've been using

-More AA. Playing Halo 3 in HD you'll notice lots of jaggies and places in need of some anti-aliasing, specifically all of the outdoor environments and foliage.

-Better animation. I swear Halo 1 animated more fluidly and dynamically than Halo 2 and 3 did, no exaggeration. Animation in cut scenes were always done well, but character movements were very very robotic in gameplay. After Halo 1, enemies failed to react when shot on different limbs, master chief's weapon was held very rigidly and even when you're moving/jumping/looking around the weapon stays damn near cemented on the screen rather than moving and bouncing around as it should when your character moves, etc etc. Just lots of little details like this. I don't know whether it was limitations of the tech they were using but it's pathetic that the first game in the series had better animation than it's sequels.

-individually rendered pieces of foliage

-Volumetric clouds, smoke, etc.

-actual geometry in the backgrounds, rather than the static 2d backgrounds they've been using

-huge sprawling environments and capable of rendering hundreds and hundreds of objects on screen at once

-Obviously higher poly counts in everything, and definitely better looking faces

-I'm not sure all of the specific technical improvements that need to be made but better lighting. There's a lot of instances in Halo 3 where the lighting looks downright wrong, or simply not as good as in other games out there.

that's all I can think of off the top of my head

  • 07.28.2009 4:40 PM PDT

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Posted by: Sanjeev
Killzone 2. With Color.
And Energy Swords.

Believe. Fall 2010.
This may actually be very true. As far as I can remember, I think someone sent a message to some microsoft or Bungie guy (I really can't remember) asking "When will we see graphics like Uncharted 2 or Killzone 2 on the xbox360 sir."

The Bungie/Microsoft guy replied "Just wait until you see Halo REACH!"


Here you go

  • 07.28.2009 4:48 PM PDT

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Compared to today's games, Halo 3 looks rather pathetic. Granted, it came out in 2007 but Halo 1 and 2 held the title of greatest graphics for much longer than this. Reach's engine must be nothing short of extraordinary if the Halo franchise is to reclaim the top spot in graphical power.

  • 07.28.2009 4:57 PM PDT