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Subject: Please bungie Halo shouldnt be like Mortal Combat

Don't you EVER compare Halo to MORTAL COMBAT!! Mortal combat = ass cheeks

  • 07.31.2009 12:35 AM PDT

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Posted by: GHOST REVOLVER
The lunge is unneeded. But without the lock on, the melee will become a fest of elbow swinging with no end result and just a bunch of aggravated expletives. Ever tried meleeing your own teammate? It's not very easy.


No i agree it is needed, but it could be tuned down a bit. Just enough so that players can doge melees with ducks jumps and sidesteps like they could in previous halos.

  • 07.31.2009 1:37 AM PDT

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Posted by: Spec OpsLeader1
I agree with you but SPELL IT RIGHT!

It's Mortal Kombat. : ) .


Oh god please tell me I did not just put a smiley face!


Lol my mistake, half asleep but still no excuse.

  • 07.31.2009 1:39 AM PDT

Master Chief is a tank with legs, if anything the melee should be more devastating.

  • 07.31.2009 1:54 AM PDT
Subject: Please bungie Halo shouldnt be like Mortal Combat

Sorry but i dont agree the melee is powerful because you HAVE TO BE CLOSE! Why is the shotgun powerful? Because its a close range weapon. If you dont want to be meleed stay back and just shoot.

  • 07.31.2009 2:19 AM PDT

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Posted by: Brand New Keys
Sorry but i dont agree the melee is powerful because you HAVE TO BE CLOSE! Why is the shotgun powerful? Because its a close range weapon. If you dont want to be meleed stay back and just shoot.


Literally reading through the OP thinking this exact same thing...

  • 07.31.2009 2:28 AM PDT
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Posted by: Jawbreaker
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I have never played a fighting game where 2 punches can kill.


Show me another FPS besides halo 3 where the a large part of the kills are based around melee attacks. FPS should be about shooting guns not punching people.


gow 2 it takes around 2-3 melees for a death......

  • 07.31.2009 2:58 AM PDT
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Posted by: ThunderCheeze
Posted by: Bullet _ Sponge
It has never been confirmed what a Spartans melee strength is in the books. Don't make -blam!- up.


Hey, Webster, don't be a dick. And actually, it does. In the books it says that the Spartans have extremely high strength, which is as much confirmation as I need.


Yeah look who's being the dick, JACKASS, and wow IT SAYS THEY'RE HIGHLY STRONG we freakin know that -blam!-, it takes 2 melee hits to kill someone, if they have no shields, then 1 hit is fair.

[Edited on 07.31.2009 3:16 AM PDT]

  • 07.31.2009 3:15 AM PDT

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dude GTFO in halo2 hardly anyone meleed so in halo3 they remade the assault rifle so people would melee more

  • 07.31.2009 3:42 AM PDT

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Anyone remember in The Fall of Reach, when Master Chief fought the 3 ODST right after he had his augmentation. He hit one guy with a metal bar, and he flew across the room.
If we compare Master Chiefs melee to the book, it should be a one hit kill then.

  • 07.31.2009 6:15 AM PDT
Subject: Please bungie Halo shouldnt be like Mortal Combat

Posted by: Jawbreaker
Posted by: POKEY CLYDE
I have never played a fighting game where 2 punches can kill.


Show me another FPS besides halo 3 where the a large part of the kills are based around melee attacks. FPS should be about shooting guns not punching people.


Thats why Halo 3 is unique

  • 07.31.2009 6:28 AM PDT
Subject: Please bungie Halo shouldnt be like Mortal Kombat

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Posted by: Jawbreaker
Im not talking about the two hit kill as the problem, just how easy it is use in game. If you have played Halo CE or 2 you will realize how over powered it is to use because of the aim assist and lunge.


There was no lunge in Halo: CE and there was very little aim assist.

[Edited on 07.31.2009 6:50 AM PDT]

  • 07.31.2009 6:50 AM PDT
Subject: Please bungie Halo shouldnt be like Mortal Combat

All I ask is that you don't try to capture me.

Canon notwithstanding, it's always taken three hits to down someone in multiplayer. H1 and H2 both had similar melee damage; Halo 3 threw that out the window and made it two hits to kill. I have no idea why Bungie did this; it's a mistake and the melee damage should be lowered back to the standard set by previous games.

The amount of lunge has also increased with each Halo game; lowering it for Reach would make melee more of stylistic and skillful, and less like a B / RB spam fest.

  • 07.31.2009 6:51 AM PDT

Posted by: greg1007
Really, I understand melee is powerful, but master chief is a spartan. Spartans are extremely strong and able to kill another fully shielded spartan in 2 melees, so it makes sense. Bungie cannot change their story, unless they say spartans' strength wore off after a while.

But it's by proportion. He's a spartan meleeing other spartans, his melee strength is basically canceled out.

  • 07.31.2009 7:03 AM PDT
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OP, I agree. The melee is way too powerful in Halo 3, not just by strength, but by lunge and auto-aim. I can be to the side of a person and still be hit because of the auto-aim. The melees in Halo 3 also screw with the "Golden Triangle" of Halo, which consists of weapons, grenades, and melee. When people have melee as their tool of destruction, there is a problem.

Also, Halo 1 and Halo 2 had something called "Momentum melees". Basically, melee damage was determined by if you were standing still, running, or jumping. Here's an old thread on momentum melees if you need more information. Momentum melees should return in Reach, because they added a bit of strategy to CQB combat.

  • 07.31.2009 8:04 AM PDT

halo reach better be like the exact gameplay as halo ce, like no duel weilding or equipment or highjacking and it should use all the original weapons and sounds. Bungie BETTER actually try and make the campaign good on reach becuase lets face it: halo 3's campaign was terrible. biggest let down in the history of mankind.. ok not that big. but still. and this is coming from bungies biggest fan and more importantly halo's biggest fan. The multiplayer in halo 3 is amazing so now that they've got that sussed out they should really put in effort into making things like a plot or maybe even characters you come to care about (i laughed when miranda keyes died, sergeant johnson went out like A loser, and they left halo 3, the supposed finale, at a cliff hanger (may i ask WHY?!)). anyways i would love to see reach with beutiful graphics and the most realistic explosions and all but in the end its the plot of the game that makes it good. Halo ce has, arguably, the greatest campaign out of any game ever and continues to be my favorite out of all the halo titles. It would be cool if bungie introduced some cool new multiplayer but really, first things come first - the campaign.
oh and this goes to bungie... REMAKE BLOOD GULCH.. plz... and let us use pelicans in multiplayer!!


and the gameplay is just fine the way it is.. so stop yer whinin.. melee and stuff like that is what makes halo so distinctive

  • 07.31.2009 8:09 AM PDT
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Posted by: Qwerty polopus
halo reach better be like the exact gameplay as halo ce, like no duel weilding or equipment or highjacking and it should use all the original weapons and sounds. Bungie BETTER actually try and make the campaign good on reach becuase lets face it: halo 3's campaign was terrible. biggest let down in the history of mankind.. ok not that big. but still. and this is coming from bungies biggest fan and more importantly halo's biggest fan. The multiplayer in halo 3 is amazing so now that they've got that sussed out they should really put in effort into making things like a plot or maybe even characters you come to care about (i laughed when miranda keyes died, sergeant johnson went out like A loser, and they left halo 3, the supposed finale, at a cliff hanger (may i ask WHY?!)). anyways i would love to see reach with beutiful graphics and the most realistic explosions and all but in the end its the plot of the game that makes it good. Halo ce has, arguably, the greatest campaign out of any game ever and continues to be my favorite out of all the halo titles. It would be cool if bungie introduced some cool new multiplayer but really, first things come first - the campaign.
oh and this goes to bungie... REMAKE BLOOD GULCH.. plz... and let us use pelicans in multiplayer!!


and the gameplay is just fine the way it is.. so stop yer whinin.. melee and stuff like that is what makes halo so distinctive




Way to flood the forums Qwerty

  • 07.31.2009 8:17 AM PDT

lol

  • 07.31.2009 8:19 AM PDT
Subject: Please bungie Halo shouldnt be like Mortal Kombat
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Posted by: Bullet _ Sponge
Posted by: greg1007
Really, I understand melee is powerful, but master chief is a spartan. Spartans are extremely strong and able to kill another fully shielded spartan in 2 melees, so it makes sense. Bungie cannot change their story, unless they say spartans' strength wore off after a while.


It has never been confirmed what a Spartans melee strength is in the books. Don't make -blam!- up.


In the Fall of Reach, John as a 12 year old beats the -blam!- out of 2 fully grown ODST's double teaming him. Right before this happens, he realizes that his strength is so great that he can't use the normal weight room any more because he maxes out on everything....as a 12 yr old. Are you looking for the exact number that he can bench? I'm pretty sure they give a good representation on his strength

Edit: Dajohnnyboy, didnt see you posted something similar sorry!

[Edited on 07.31.2009 8:38 AM PDT]

  • 07.31.2009 8:22 AM PDT
Subject: Please bungie Halo shouldnt be like Mortal Combat

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Posted by: Jawbreaker
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i happen to love the melee,people run at me,i throw a grenade,they run over it,it blows up,i shoot them in the head with my three shot BR and they die :)


Lol what u just explained had nothing to do with meleeing someone. Trowing a nade then shooting them in the head =/= meleeing. but that's ok.

I think the problem is that people who cannot aim as well in Halo 3 have begun to rely on the melee because it is so easy. Thats why you see people rushing at one another and beating each other down so often. For something as powerful as a 2 hit kill weapon and assessable as in you spawn with it, it should be some what difficult to use.



a) what he means is he loves it because people charge him, get owned he gets an easy kill.
b) in real life if i sprinted up to a full grown man and swung a rifle and hit him in the face/temple it would kill him with ease.
c) even if he survived he'd be in hospital and out of action for a very long time.

  • 07.31.2009 8:38 AM PDT
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Posted by: Jawbreaker
Im not talking about the two hit kill as the problem, just how easy it is use in game. If you have played Halo CE or 2 you will realize how over powered it is to use because of the aim assist and lunge.


There was no lunge in Halo: CE and there was very little aim assist.


exactly what i am trying to say

  • 07.31.2009 8:43 AM PDT
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We're not arguing that Spartans aren't strong, because they are. This is gameplay balance we're talking about.

But if you really want to use the "Spartans are strong" argument, then shouldn't their armor cancel out the melee?

  • 07.31.2009 8:44 AM PDT
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Posted by: WTF Shadow
Ur an idiot in my book if you would want a Halo with dumbed down melee.


Ur an idiot in my book for not understanding what I am saying. As it is now the melee is sooo easy and overpowered(dumbed down). All I am asking for is for it to be a little harder to use.

  • 07.31.2009 8:45 AM PDT
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Posted by: HaloFanatic2040



a) what he means is he loves it because people charge him, get owned he gets an easy kill.
b) in real life if i sprinted up to a full grown man and swung a rifle and hit him in the face/temple it would kill him with ease.
c) even if he survived he'd be in hospital and out of action for a very long time.


exactly, but because of the aim assist and lunge is so huge, sprinting up to a full grown man and swing a rifle and hit him in the face/temple is encouraged.

  • 07.31.2009 8:48 AM PDT

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