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Subject: Bungie Confirms No Elites (Again...) In Firefight OR Campaign

It's a jackal.
jackal marksmen don't have sheilds.
It looks to me like buck is shooting the jackal, not the other way.
the jackal could be running for cover that way. Like running to the side of the building.
Elites+Brutes, same team, I don't remeber when that happened during halo 2.
Read VERY carefully what bungie says. Bungie said no Halo 4 but not No more Halo.

Aside from the reasoning, Elites but not spartans, really, do you think bungie would do that.

  • 07.31.2009 10:42 AM PDT

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Heres another thing,

The creature rolls to (Heavy)dodge, now who does that....Elites.

Jackels go head first.

But both do Skip to their side when they (Light)Dodge.

In the video the creature Rolls.

[Edited on 07.31.2009 10:43 AM PDT]

  • 07.31.2009 10:42 AM PDT

Posted by: Doctor Spartan
It's a Jackal with a Carbine. The reason why it's attacking Buck is because Buck was right below the Phantom when the enemies jumped out. The Jackal jumped out right next to Buck. If you look at it closely you'll see it's got a Jackal Sniper Helmet, not an Combat Elites. You know how I can tell, it's ridged whereas and Combat Elite's helmet is smooth. The shots from the gun it's shooting may look blue, but it is being filmed off screen, so the colors are going to be darker.

Just take Bungie's word for it and accept the fact it's a Jackal.


Well thats one very agressive Jackal then, If you even look at it you can tell it is not a jackal.

Jackals don't have plasma rifle, it chased Buck, Jackals don't have white armor, Jackals don't usually jump to the side, IT WAS COMBAT ARMOR. As you can see the body had White like the combat armor, on top of that you could see inside the arm pit areas was black just like Combat armor.

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Posted by: Doctor Spartan
It's a Jackal with a Carbine. The reason why it's attacking Buck is because Buck was right below the Phantom when the enemies jumped out. The Jackal jumped out right next to Buck. If you look at it closely you'll see it's got a Jackal Sniper Helmet, not an Combat Elites. You know how I can tell, it's ridged whereas and Combat Elite's helmet is smooth. The shots from the gun it's shooting may look blue, but it is being filmed off screen, so the colors are going to be darker.

Just take Bungie's word for it and accept the fact it's a Jackal.


This. Take it or leave it. :D

  • 07.31.2009 10:43 AM PDT

Posted by: DeadliestCarpet
Sorry, I can't hear them over the sounds of Modern Warfare 3 on my Turtle Beaches.

Posted by: GameRaider
Aside from the reasoning, Elites but not spartans, really, do you think bungie would do that.


By putting Elites in and not allowing Spartans as playable characters in Firefight?

A challenge, perhaps?

No Shields make fighting the Covenant much more difficult.

  • 07.31.2009 10:46 AM PDT

Its back seems to "humped" to be a Jackal anyway. A jackal is more lanky than an Elite.... but lets all listen to the people who are telling us to believe liars. /sarcasm

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What time is it on the video?


O my bad its 2:14.

Thanks, but that is an Elite, all the other Jackels have shields when they drop, so why doesnt that one?

Also the way it moves, I've played Halo 3 enough to know when I see an Elite.

Maybe because it's a Jackal Marksman and in the universe, Jackals are actually quite aggressive. The games make them feel inferior so you seem powerful. However, since you aren't powerful anymore (atleast not as), it seems Bungie has upped the game with the Jackal AI.


This.

Bungie implemented a new AI system boosting up the difficulty in the game and for those who keep saying its an Elite because it's charging at Buck instead of cowardly running away...well everyone is used to seeing them cower away because we always played as the Master Chief who I must say is very tall and strong and I'm sure I would run away from him aswell if I saw him but remember your not Master Chief. Your a regular human (ODST) not 7ft tall or super human strength so theres no reason for Jackals to fear you.

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Urk needs to put a sign on the front page saying it is in fact a Jackal... With... EVIDENCED!

  • 07.31.2009 10:47 AM PDT

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I want Urk to be fibbing so badly to keep it a surprise.

  • 07.31.2009 10:49 AM PDT

I imagine we'll get Elites for DLC.

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Posted by: darkops0
Urk needs to put a sign on the front page saying it is in fact a Jackal... With... EVIDENCED!

The only way they are going to prove it is go back to the video and go into free camera mode.

That'll prove it, but they are trying to keep it secret

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What time is it on the video?


O my bad its 2:14.

Thanks, but that is an Elite, all the other Jackels have shields when they drop, so why doesnt that one?

Also the way it moves, I've played Halo 3 enough to know when I see an Elite.

Maybe because it's a Jackal Marksman and in the universe, Jackals are actually quite aggressive. The games make them feel inferior so you seem powerful. However, since you aren't powerful anymore (atleast not as), it seems Bungie has upped the game with the Jackal AI.


This.

Bungie implemented a new AI system boosting up the difficulty in the game and for those who keep saying its an Elite because it's charging at Buck instead of cowardly running away...well everyone is used to seeing them cower away because we always played as the Master Chief who I must say is very tall and strong and I'm sure I would run away from him aswell if I saw him but remember your not Master Chief. Your a regular human (ODST) not 7ft tall or super human strength so theres no reason for Jackals to fear you.


This. They probably improved the Artificial Intelligence.

  • 07.31.2009 10:50 AM PDT

Posted by: darkops0
Urk needs to put a sign on the front page saying it is in fact a Jackal... With... EVIDENCED!


Their is no evidence, there is tons more evidence prooving that it is an Elite then Jackal.

I won't believe it isn't an elite until they actually release a video of that entire match and the camera has to show everything that was shown in the normal video and then it has to show a close up from the origional position.

  • 07.31.2009 10:52 AM PDT

Posted by: DeadliestCarpet
Sorry, I can't hear them over the sounds of Modern Warfare 3 on my Turtle Beaches.

I watched the video.

The identity of the enemy is unknown.

It could be an Elite Ultra or a Jackal Sniper.

Both use Carbines (which the enemy was using) and both are a bit similar in physical shape.

Bungie should prove it to their fans that it was a Jackal because it's still a topic of debate.

  • 07.31.2009 10:58 AM PDT

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Posted by: AudaciousZealot
I watched the video.

The identity of the enemy is unknown.

It could be an Elite Ultra or a Jackal Sniper.

Both use Carbines (which the enemy was using) and both are a bit similar in physical shape.

Bungie should prove it to their fans that it was a Jackal because it's still a topic of debate.

urk said it was a JACKAL. Accept it!

  • 07.31.2009 11:00 AM PDT

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Well thats one very agressive Jackal then, If you even look at it you can tell it is not a jackal.

Jackals don't have plasma rifle, it chased Buck, Jackals don't have white armor, Jackals don't usually jump to the side, IT WAS COMBAT ARMOR. As you can see the body had White like the combat armor, on top of that you could see inside the arm pit areas was black just like Combat armor.


Right let me break it down for you:

1. It's being filmed by a Video Camera and more importantly OFF-SCREEN. It can play tricks on you. The Colors are more distorted. You may think it's white, but on closer observation you'll probably realize it isn't white. The Jackal Sniper has Silver armor, so chance are the light is being reflected because of the map. Same scenario with the 'supposed' Golden Hunter.

2. Bungie have stated they've tweaked the Brute A.I behavior to make them more cunning and tactical. They could of well done the same with the Jackal's. Your also playing as a Human not a Spartan, so Jackal may not be as scared. That's probably why is was 'so' agressive, oh and Jackal do jump to the side.

3. Why one Elite in the whole wave? If Bungie is meant to be keeping this a secret then how did an Elite slip into the game. Use common sense, if Bungie didn't want to reveal Elites in Firefight then they would of taken out of the demo's code. They wouldn't risk it. If it was an Elite then this would be in the News: on Joystiq, Kotaku, IGN etc. Similar to how the recent Vidoc was. Again one Elite in an entire wave is extremely unlikely.

  • 07.31.2009 11:00 AM PDT

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Posted by: AudaciousZealot
I watched the video.

The identity of the enemy is unknown.

It could be an Elite Ultra or a Jackal Sniper.

Both use Carbines (which the enemy was using) and both are a bit similar in physical shape.

Bungie should prove it to their fans that it was a Jackal because it's still a topic of debate.

I think it is more likely to be the jackal. If you look closely the helmet seems to be angular. Though it may be the crappy quality of the camera...

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Jackal! Jackal! It's a Jackal.

Obvious reference...

  • 07.31.2009 11:01 AM PDT
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No Elites.

Scroll to the bottom. I wish it were different. It's not. Maybe DLC.

  • 07.31.2009 11:09 AM PDT

Posted by: DeadliestCarpet
Sorry, I can't hear them over the sounds of Modern Warfare 3 on my Turtle Beaches.

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Posted by: AudaciousZealot
I watched the video.

The identity of the enemy is unknown.

It could be an Elite Ultra or a Jackal Sniper.

Both use Carbines (which the enemy was using) and both are a bit similar in physical shape.

Bungie should prove it to their fans that it was a Jackal because it's still a topic of debate.

urk said it was a JACKAL. Accept it!


I don't give a -blam!- if it's a Jackal or Elite.

I'm not going to think it's either until I get solid, high-quality proof that it is a Jackal.

I declare myself in the middle. I'm not accepting the fact it's a Jackal or Elite until I get good evidence.

Appearance and weapon-wise, it could be either. Behavior-wise, I need to see more videos of the new AI.

  • 07.31.2009 11:10 AM PDT

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They never said "No, Elites are not in Firefight no matter what." They can still appear on other maps.

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I wish it was an elite but everybody keeps saying it's a jackal. I guess we won't know until we get the game.

However, it does look taller than a regular jackal.

Jackal Ultra, anyone?

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Its a Jackal, It jumps out of the drop ship, jumps to the side(It never rolls) and shots its Carbine. You can tell its a jackal because the way it moves It does look a little like an elite i guess.

  • 07.31.2009 11:14 AM PDT

that jackle must be on beast modez because ive never seen one do that

  • 07.31.2009 11:16 AM PDT

Posted by: DeadliestCarpet
Sorry, I can't hear them over the sounds of Modern Warfare 3 on my Turtle Beaches.

Posted by:odmichael
Interesting. I really hope this is true. But something in my gut just keeps telling me it isn't. I think it's just Bungie brainwashing me saying there is no elites. I'll just have to wait and see ;-)


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I don't understand what Forum Ninja odsmichael means. urk feels certain about himself. Who'd be the one messing with us, mike or urk?

  • 07.31.2009 11:18 AM PDT