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Subject: For People Who Don't Want Classes

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Okay first of all, I'll start by saying that I DO want classes in Reach. I would love that. Actually I would prefer not to be able to play as Spartans and be able to play as the true grunts, the Marines. Look at Battlefield 1943 that just came out for XBL. That game is great! It's terribly much fun and works perfectly for classes. There isn't a ton of them and they all balance out perfectly.

And for everyone who's gonna come in here and whine about "But this is Halo, not COD or Battlefield, waaaaaaaah, Halo is about X or Y and should never be changed!! :( :( :( :( :(", This is not the Halo trilogy. That is over. Go play Halo 3. It's the culmination of all the stuff you want to play. You've played it for two years now and you clearly don't want anything new. So play that game. Or ask Bungie to remake it with better graphics because that's clearly the only change that won't make you cry. Halo can branch out. Halo SHOULD branch out. It's how to keep the franchise alive and fresh. Reach is not a sequel to Halo 3. It's a spinoff. Let it incorporate new systems and genres.

Posted by: Brent G
Okay I need to restart some of this. Some people just don't get it. I don't know, maybe they can't read or something. That's probably it.

I'm looking forward to Reach. If it's just like Halo 3, I'll still buy it. I'll take it home and pour hours and hours into it. Even if it's almost exactly the same. But ideally I'd like something different. Now some of you are acting like I'm holding a gun to Jason Jones' head and telling him that it has to be my way or else. I'm not saying that. I'm not saying Reach has to have classes. I'm not even necessarily saying Reach SHOULD have classes. I'm saying that it COULD. There's no reason it couldn't. It wouldn't ruin anything.

Now one of the problems here is that reading comprehension seems to be at an all time low in this forum. Maybe it's the American education system that's failed us. I wouldn't be surprised. I've said time and time again NOT to compare these ideas of "classes" to CoD. I'll say it again just to increase my chances of that actually being read. *ahem*

DO NOT USE THE CALL OF DUTY GAMES AS AN EXAMPLE OF CLASSES.

DO NOT USE THE CALL OF DUTY GAMES AS AN EXAMPLE OF CLASSES.

One more time.

DO NOT USE THE CALL OF DUTY GAMES AS AN EXAMPLE OF CLASSES.

Get it? Probably not. I won't be surprised. Team Fortress has classes. Battlefield has classes. Star Wars Battlefront has classes. No class is better than another class. Each class has advantages. People don't spam a single class. Some classes have more players than others, sure, but you must have serious problems if you honestly believe that everything would be spread out exactly evenly. These classes are not customizable. You have a set loadout, and those are the weapons you have until you die and possibly decide to change your class. BF1943 even lets you switch weapons with a dead person. No class is better than another. They all specialize well in different and overlapping areas.

And some people say "Bungie will not go along with the trend of other games and they will be completely original." Well excuse me for forgetting my videogame history where Bungie invented the FPS.

Oh wait, they didn't. But their FPS was UNIQUE. It was better than other FPSs, and it set the trend for suture shooter games. Just like if they made a shooter that had classes, like Battlefront or Team Fortress style classes, NOT Call of Duty classes, then I'm sure, considering the high quality of developer that they are, that they would make it as UNIQUE as possible and try to make it BETTER than other shooters with a similar style. And it doesn't mean ALL Halo games suddenly have to conform to that style and that the entire franchise will abandon it's arena-style shooter fans.

So even if you disagree with me in thinking that Reach being a class-based shooter would be the best choice, denying that such a game set in the Halo universe would be any good is ignorant at best. The Halo universe is a perfect setting for TONS of different games. We've already had shooters and even an RTS. How about a flight sim like Rogue Squadron, with Longswords and Shortswords and even more craft. Or a third-person squad-based or R6V style shooter? I thought ODST would have been perfect for that, but I'm not disappointed with what we're getting. A stealth game? Why not? Bungie has clearly put enough love and detail into their universe to support projects in those veins.

So to everyone who agrees with me and is supporting my points, thank you.

To everyone who disagrees with me and has valid arguments and concerns, thank you.

To everyone who repeats eachother and continually shows that they are incapable of basic reading skills and a coherent debate, please learn to read.

And also,

STOP USING CALL OF DUTY AS AN EXAMPLE OF CLASSES


[Edited on 08.01.2009 4:18 PM PDT]

  • 07.31.2009 5:25 PM PDT
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I think that when a grenade is thrown in Halo: Reach, it should cut to something similar to thatone minigame from Super Monkey Ball where you would hang glide your way onto a platform or risk falling into the water. This way, even if you missed with your grenade, it would be fun for both parties.

Only the Monkey class would have this skill, though.

  • 07.31.2009 5:33 PM PDT

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But what makes Halo so unique is it doesn't follow the trend of "classes".

There are a hell of a lot of shooters out there that focus on classes. CoD, Battlefield, etc.

If you like how those games play out, you should play those games. To suggest Halo be turned into Battlefield or CoD is foolish and ignorant. To suggest it stay the same is also foolish and ignorant.

So lets all just stop suggesting stuff and let Bungie make the game. Okay?

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Equipment should be replace with pokeballs. You could customize which pokemon comes out and which moves it could use. Maybe even put an ACOG on your Pikachu. Don't say it isn't possible this is not the Halo trilogy anything can happen.

  • 07.31.2009 5:45 PM PDT

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But it is Halo. I love battlefield and Halo. I like playing both game they way they are supposed to be.

Let me make this clear......

NO ONE WANTS HALO REACH TO BE A HYBRID OF BATTLEFIELD.

  • 07.31.2009 5:48 PM PDT
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I'd prefer it not to have classes, not because I'm just a Halo fanboy, but because I hate the class system in all class-based systems that I've played (CoD and Battlefield: 1943, by the way).

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CoD or Battle Field didn't invent class and this is a halo site so don't preach about other games here

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What !! I'm sorry Brandon but that would be a horrible idea. First of all this isn't pokemon and Halo would look weird using pokemon

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Posted by: GraveGrinderFilm
What !! I'm sorry Brandon but that would be a horrible idea. First of all this isn't pokemon and Halo would look weird using pokemon


Yes but Halo isn't Battlefield either.

  • 07.31.2009 5:58 PM PDT

bungie won't implement classes. If they change the formula now hardcore fans will throw a -blam!-fit and not play it. This would fragment the population between those who like classes and those who like halo the way it is. I know i would just stick to halo 3 MP if it was forced into the game.

Classes would not work with halo, period. The weapon sandbox in Halo is very different from realistic shooters like BF, where almost all weapons function the same. In halo each weapon has a specific function and niche. Bungie would have to completely re-balance every weapon in the sandbox and add different weapons with the same functions in order to prevent a MP game where everyone is using the same guns.

Then there's vehicles, how do you balance vehicles in a game where you can choose a vehicle killer from spawn. Vehicles work in battlefield because anti vehicle and anti air weapons held by personnel are not nearly as effective as the advanced sci fi anti vehicle weapons in halo. this why it has balance in BF. It wouldn't be balanced in halo, unless they completely nerf the anti vehicle weapons.

thoughts on these issues OP? i may buy into the idea of a class based game if someone could honestly explain how it would work without killing the variety and nerfing the weapons.



  • 07.31.2009 6:40 PM PDT

I agree with the guy who said just let Bungie make the game. I'm definitely going to buy it no matter what it is. And CoD classes are pretty much 100% customizable, and that's not what I'm using as an analog, so it isn't very relevant. Something much more like Battlefield. And using Monkey Ball grenades as an example of classes being stupid is the same as having a butterfly gun that fires butterfly-gauss rounds. Of course it's ridiculous, and that's no reason to not agree with an idea. It would never happen in the first place.

And yeah, people who want classes COULD just go play other games. That's no excuse to not think it would work perfectly with Halo. People who played Super Mario Bros didn't -blam!- and moan when Mario Kart came out. It's a different game! But in the same franchise, and it worked.

  • 07.31.2009 6:41 PM PDT

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bungie won't implement classes. If they change the formula now hardcore fans will throw a -blam!-fit and not play it. This would fragment the population between those who like classes and those who like halo the way it is. I know i would just stick to halo 3 MP if it was forced into the game.

Classes would not work with halo, period. The weapon sandbox in Halo is very different from realistic shooters like BF, where almost all weapons function the same. In halo each weapon has a specific function and niche. Bungie would have to completely re-balance every weapon in the sandbox and add different weapons with the same functions in order to prevent a MP game where everyone is using the same guns.

Then there's vehicles, how do you balance vehicles in a game where you can choose a vehicle killer from spawn. Vehicles work in battlefield because anti vehicle and anti air weapons held by personnel are not nearly as effective as the advanced sci fi anti vehicle weapons in halo. this why it has balance in BF. It wouldn't be balanced in halo, unless they completely nerf the anti vehicle weapons.

thoughts on these issues OP? i may buy into the idea of a class based game if someone could honestly explain how it would work without killing the variety and nerfing the weapons.





I'd like to start by thanking you for actually using an intelligent response. My answer to the weapon balance issues mainly would be an idea I mentioned in the OP. If we played as Marines instead of Spartans, weapons would behave differently in the hands of the player, as well as against enemies. Rocket launchers would be heavier, reload slower etc. because you're not a Spartan who can juggle warthogs and whatnot. Now obviously the chances of this are extremely unlikely, judging by the appearance of the Spartans in the banner.

As for alienating hardcore fans, Bungie is still releasing new maps for Halo 3, so it's not like they don't want to support it at all into the future. People who don't want to play Reach mulitplayer can stick with Halo 3, as they'd be fundamentally different. You already bought Halo 3 so they already have your money. Reach will still sell well regardless. I know I'll probably still be playing both games, there's no reason it's impossible for other players.

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Posted by: Brent G
And yeah, people who want classes COULD just go play other games. That's no excuse to not think it would work perfectly with Halo. People who played Super Mario Bros didn't -blam!- and moan when Mario Kart came out. It's a different game! But in the same franchise, and it worked.


The Mario franchise is a great example of why games should stay the same and why Nintendo is an unholy abomination. The problem is idiots will buy anything.

[Edited on 07.31.2009 6:46 PM PDT]

  • 07.31.2009 6:45 PM PDT

Posted by: Lunatic__Brandon
Posted by: Brent G
And yeah, people who want classes COULD just go play other games. That's no excuse to not think it would work perfectly with Halo. People who played Super Mario Bros didn't -blam!- and moan when Mario Kart came out. It's a different game! But in the same franchise, and it worked.


The Mario franchise is a great example of why games should stay the same and why Nintendo is an unholy abomination. The problem is idiots will buy anything.


But we're not talking about the Mario franchise as a whole. We're talking about fundamentally different games from the same franchise. Mario games and Mario Kart games are both critically acclaimed facets of the same franchise. You don't have to like all the other crap. It's irrelevant, as long as the games are quality.

  • 07.31.2009 6:49 PM PDT

I would LOVE a class based MP but knowing how lazy Bungie is, I can almost guarantee that the MP will be nearly identical to the Halo 3 MP.

  • 07.31.2009 6:51 PM PDT

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Posted by: Palien90
I would LOVE a class based MP but knowing how lazy Bungie is, I can almost guarantee that the MP will be nearly identical to the Halo 3 MP.


If it ain't broke, why fix it? People, if you want classes, go play something else. Halo is Halo. Get used to it.

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Posted by: ThunderCheeze
If it ain't broke, why fix it?
By that same logic, none of us should buy any of the new Halo games because the multiplayer is the same. If Halo 3's MP isn't broke, then why buy another Halo game with the same MP?

  • 07.31.2009 7:05 PM PDT

Most people choose Halo over games like BF and COD because its not a one shot kill game and because it has a large variety in weapons. Theres more strategy and less frustration involved when you have shields and weapons of varying degrees of power. Playing as a spartan and weapon variety is what set this game apart from other shooters. Playing as a marine with a bunch of nerfed weapons would just turn it into another monotonous FPS with no variety and very limited ways to approach the opposition like cod.

Bungie isn't releasing any more DLC for halo 3 after ODST and they will discontinue updates and the like when ODST comes out as well from what i hear.



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Classes give players unfair advantages. Keep it simple and fair.

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There are many class based games, go play them. I want Halo:Reach to be a Halo game.

  • 07.31.2009 7:14 PM PDT

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How about Reach allows custom classes, but also has a few playlists that play 'old school' style (COD4 players should know which playlist I am referring to) that disallow class-based starts, this way everyone can be happy, even though I am one of the guys that would prefer it be not class-based.

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Posted by: Cpt LegendArian
How about Reach allows custom classes, but also has a few playlists that play 'old school' style (COD4 players should know which playlist I am referring to) that disallow class-based starts, this way everyone can be happy, even though I am one of the guys that would prefer it be not class-based.


How about no? The game needs to be designed around the classic Halo gameplay. Maybe they could have 1 playlist with classes.

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Posted by: POKEY CLYDE
But what makes Halo so unique is it doesn't follow the trend of "classes".

There are a hell of a lot of shooters out there that focus on classes. CoD, Battlefield, etc.

If you like how those games play out, you should play those games. To suggest Halo be turned into Battlefield or CoD is foolish and ignorant. To suggest it stay the same is also foolish and ignorant.

So lets all just stop suggesting stuff and let Bungie make the game. Okay?


isnt suggesting stuff wat the forum is for

  • 07.31.2009 7:43 PM PDT

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Posted by: ThunderCheeze
If it ain't broke, why fix it?
By that same logic, none of us should buy any of the new Halo games because the multiplayer is the same. If Halo 3's MP isn't broke, then why buy another Halo game with the same MP?


Exactly. Why even bother with the game at all if it is more of the same?

  • 07.31.2009 8:25 PM PDT

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Posted by: POKEY CLYDE
But what makes Halo so unique is it doesn't follow the trend of "classes".

There are a hell of a lot of shooters out there that focus on classes. CoD, Battlefield, etc.

If you like how those games play out, you should play those games. To suggest Halo be turned into Battlefield or CoD is foolish and ignorant. To suggest it stay the same is also foolish and ignorant.

So lets all just stop suggesting stuff and let Bungie make the game. Okay?


isnt suggesting stuff wat the forum is for
Yes, but it comes down to the point of, suggesting the game is changed entirely or not changed at all.

Hell, I like some of the threads that suggest stuff. Like the helmet cameras thread. But when people start suggesting :

This game should incorporate massive multi-player, like 256 players in one game to compete with MAG.

OR

This game should have huge maps, and classes like Battlefield... infact, why don't we make battlefield again, but with a Halo skin.

Suggestions like those are stupid. You like other games, but you like Halo more, so you think that if you change the other games that you like into Halo, (basically play dress up with the games you like) then that would be the best game ever.

That is what I have a problem with.

  • 07.31.2009 8:30 PM PDT