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Posted by: POKEY CLYDE
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But what makes Halo so unique is it doesn't follow the trend of "classes".

There are a hell of a lot of shooters out there that focus on classes. CoD, Battlefield, etc.

If you like how those games play out, you should play those games. To suggest Halo be turned into Battlefield or CoD is foolish and ignorant. To suggest it stay the same is also foolish and ignorant.

So lets all just stop suggesting stuff and let Bungie make the game. Okay?


isnt suggesting stuff wat the forum is for
Yes, but it comes down to the point of, suggesting the game is changed entirely or not changed at all.

Hell, I like some of the threads that suggest stuff. Like the helmet cameras thread. But when people start suggesting :

This game should incorporate massive multi-player, like 256 players in one game to compete with MAG.

OR

This game should have huge maps, and classes like Battlefield... infact, why don't we make battlefield again, but with a Halo skin.

Suggestions like those are stupid. You like other games, but you like Halo more, so you think that if you change the other games that you like into Halo, (basically play dress up with the games you like) then that would be the best game ever.

That is what I have a problem with.


Yea, and I have a problem with Bungie not changing ANYTHING in the past 3 games.

  • 07.31.2009 8:33 PM PDT

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i agree, Classes would be a brutal change to Halo, but I think it should be an option, so if u want to have a class then u can have one, but u don't need one to play

  • 07.31.2009 8:44 PM PDT

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Posted by: POKEY CLYDE
But what makes Halo so unique is it doesn't follow the trend of "classes".
I could do without classes. I have fun with games like Battlefield because it's Battlefield, not Halo or World of Warcraft or Mini Golf. It's unique, it's not following a trend. Sure, Halo could be compared to Quake or other shooters before it, but it brings it's own originality to the mix. Halo has things like Forge, Custom Games, Theater, player-made screenshots and videos, machinima, and it's own special weapons and custom armours. Halo is Halo.

If Halo got classes, then it wouldn't be the same. For example, there's classes in Far Cry 2. That game sucks. Pretty much you buy the Grenade Launcher and your enemies are screwed. It has a map editor, but classes limited creativity so much. In the original Far Cry, I remember playing a game where me and my team jumped into a lake with our own weapons. Working our way to the objective, the Predator would pick us off until none where left. That was fun. Spawning with weapons and finding more on the map is easier to balance, and a lot more fun whether your a vet or a new player. There's just so much more that could happen if weapons are on a map.

  • 07.31.2009 8:44 PM PDT

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Posted by: POKEY CLYDE
But what makes Halo so unique is it doesn't follow the trend of "classes".
I could do without classes. I have fun with games like Battlefield because it's Battlefield, not Halo or World of Warcraft or Mini Golf. It's unique, it's not following a trend. Sure, Halo could be compared to Quake or other shooters before it, but it brings it's own originality to the mix. Halo has things like Forge, Custom Games, Theater, player-made screenshots and videos, machinima, and it's own special weapons and custom armours. Halo is Halo.
People against classes always seem to think that it would be a clone of Battlefield. Halo was not a clone of Quake, as you mentioned, because it brings new things and its own unique gameplay quirks to the table. Being a bungie-made game, if Halo REACH was more similar to Battlefield than Quake, it would not be a clone either. It would still have the gameplay quirks from the classic trilogy.

If Halo got classes, then it wouldn't be the same. For example, there's classes in Far Cry 2. That game sucks. Pretty much you buy the Grenade Launcher and your enemies are screwed. It has a map editor, but classes limited creativity so much. In the original Far Cry, I remember playing a game where me and my team jumped into a lake with our own weapons. Working our way to the objective, the Predator would pick us off until none where left. That was fun. Spawning with weapons and finding more on the map is easier to balance, and a lot more fun whether your a vet or a new player. There's just so much more that could happen if weapons are on a map.Classes would need to be handled carefully. First off, no custom classes. That just completely throws off the balance because somene could spawn with a sniper and rockets.

Classes should be preset by bungie (looking at the banner, I would say Support, Recon, Soldier, Engineer, Sniper) and would not simply be defined by their weapon loadout, but also by running speed, shield strength, shield recharge, melee strength, jump height, stamina, etc. so that the weapons they spawn with could be further balanced (i.e. sniper would have less motion tracker range, low health, and very vulnerable to fall damage, to prevent him from camping).

Also, as you said, there should NEVER be weapons that unlock from your rank, and if Halo REACH is class-based, I have faith that bungie would not add that broken feature. 5 preset classes, all balanced by bungie.

  • 07.31.2009 8:51 PM PDT

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Reach IS the new Halo, it isn't just a Spinoff like ODST or Halo Wars, as much as I WANT classes, it will probably get saved for a REAL spinoff.

Also, FarCry Instincts and Predator (the ones with the Predators in them) WERE NOT the original Far Cry. And Far Cry 2 is a great, balanced game (I can use the UZI and win just fine).

Also, Star Wars Battlefront had classes and I LIKE IT MORE THAN HALO. Its just a shame it didnt have good Xbox live connectivity :(

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  • 07.31.2009 8:59 PM PDT
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GRUNT BUD!!!!!

so what exactly would this do to Halo? Make there be more variety mabee? If so thats wrong it would be like cod is now. Everyone would use the exact same nooby weapon set after a while and it would be tons of people camping in corners with rockets and extra shields waiting for that new guy in the game to walkby. If you want classes why dont you go play CoD instead of telling us to play Halo

  • 07.31.2009 9:11 PM PDT

Posted by: Fos Tis Krisis
Reach IS the new Halo, it isn't just a Spinoff like ODST or Halo Wars, as much as I WANT classes, it will probably get saved for a REAL spinoff.

Also, Star Wars Battlefront had classes and I LIKE IT MORE THAN HALO. Its just a shame it didnt have good Xbox live connectivity :(


A) Yes, it is a spinoff. Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas is not Grand Theft Auto 4. Grand Theft Auto 4 is Grand Theft Auto 4. San Andreas is a spinoff. Halo: Reach is not Halo 4.

B) I agree with you about Battlefront. I don't like it more than Halo, but it's a system that would work perfectly in the Halo Universe.

Posted by: GRUNT BUD
so what exactly would this do to Halo? Make there be more variety mabee? If so thats wrong it would be like cod is now. Everyone would use the exact same nooby weapon set after a while and it would be tons of people camping in corners with rockets and extra shields waiting for that new guy in the game to walkby. If you want classes why dont you go play CoD instead of telling us to play Halo


Okay, number 1, that's not true at all, because I'm talking about BF1943 or Battlefront-type classes, not COD. Forget COD all of you. There wouldn't be customization. At least not to that degree. You choose a class that specializes in an area, or one that specializes in a different one. Nobody is better than anyone else except as far as their individual skill. Which still exists, by the way, in class-based games. And number 2, there is no number 2.

  • 07.31.2009 11:06 PM PDT
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Posted by: Double Entendre
I think that when a grenade is thrown in Halo: Reach, it should cut to something similar to thatone minigame from Super Monkey Ball where you would hang glide your way onto a platform or risk falling into the water. This way, even if you missed with your grenade, it would be fun for both parties.

Only the Monkey class would have this skill, though.


God that's awesome. I should be able to throw banana peel while hang gliding also.

IN all serious tho, I agree with OP, Halo needs to branch out, I don't want to play a repeat of the halo series. I want a new original experience, based in the halo world.

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  • 07.31.2009 11:14 PM PDT
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Halo is unique. Halo has no need to go class based like every other shooter on the market. I and many others play Halo because it isn't class based. Do you think Bungie just wants too kick many previous fans out the door just to be unoriginal?

  • 07.31.2009 11:22 PM PDT

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Posted by: POKEY CLYDE
But what makes Halo so unique is it doesn't follow the trend of "classes".

There are a hell of a lot of shooters out there that focus on classes. CoD, Battlefield, etc.

If you like how those games play out, you should play those games. To suggest Halo be turned into Battlefield or CoD is foolish and ignorant. To suggest it stay the same is also foolish and ignorant.

So lets all just stop suggesting stuff and let Bungie make the game. Okay?
amen class games are fun but i like halo because there are no noob perks every1 uses like jugernaught or matrydom in halo all that maters is skill its dosent have a rock paper siscors setup untill later when other weapons are picked up and even then its only a limited amount of types and its not a complex system of diffrent rock paper siscors set yps its just longrange beats short range short range beats medium range medium range beats long range essentialy and unlike those games with a little more skill than them then you can easily overcome the rock paper siscors of range distance.

  • 07.31.2009 11:30 PM PDT

Alright everyone keeps saying every other shooter on the market is class based. Really? Name three, other than call of duty, WHICH IS NOT THE GAME ANYBODY WANTS THIS TO BE. Most other shooters strive to be just like Halo. Nobody is forcing anybody to buy this game with theis own money and play it until their fingers bleed and they hate it. Those people can go on playing Halo 3, because that's clearly all they really want. Nobody pissed their pants when Halo Wars was announced as an RTS. They didn't have to buy it.

So PLEASE stop talking about COD classes because that is not what anyone wants.

  • 07.31.2009 11:57 PM PDT

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Why do people want Halo to conform to this "trend" of classes, that only gives limitations to game play every time I play Halo (any Halo game) it's different because I don't have to worry about "classes" and choosing them.

Nobody like conformists!

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Posted by: Palien90
Posted by: POKEY CLYDE
Posted by: clone
Posted by: POKEY CLYDE
But what makes Halo so unique is it doesn't follow the trend of "classes".

There are a hell of a lot of shooters out there that focus on classes. CoD, Battlefield, etc.

If you like how those games play out, you should play those games. To suggest Halo be turned into Battlefield or CoD is foolish and ignorant. To suggest it stay the same is also foolish and ignorant.

So lets all just stop suggesting stuff and let Bungie make the game. Okay?


isnt suggesting stuff wat the forum is for
Yes, but it comes down to the point of, suggesting the game is changed entirely or not changed at all.

Hell, I like some of the threads that suggest stuff. Like the helmet cameras thread. But when people start suggesting :

This game should incorporate massive multi-player, like 256 players in one game to compete with MAG.

OR

This game should have huge maps, and classes like Battlefield... infact, why don't we make battlefield again, but with a Halo skin.

Suggestions like those are stupid. You like other games, but you like Halo more, so you think that if you change the other games that you like into Halo, (basically play dress up with the games you like) then that would be the best game ever.

That is what I have a problem with.


Yea, and I have a problem with Bungie not changing ANYTHING in the past 3 games.


Then dont buy the games. See how fun it is to think?

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Posted by: Palien90
Posted by: POKEY CLYDE
Posted by: clone
Posted by: POKEY CLYDE
But what makes Halo so unique is it doesn't follow the trend of "classes".

There are a hell of a lot of shooters out there that focus on classes. CoD, Battlefield, etc.

If you like how those games play out, you should play those games. To suggest Halo be turned into Battlefield or CoD is foolish and ignorant. To suggest it stay the same is also foolish and ignorant.

So lets all just stop suggesting stuff and let Bungie make the game. Okay?


isnt suggesting stuff wat the forum is for
Yes, but it comes down to the point of, suggesting the game is changed entirely or not changed at all.

Hell, I like some of the threads that suggest stuff. Like the helmet cameras thread. But when people start suggesting :

This game should incorporate massive multi-player, like 256 players in one game to compete with MAG.

OR

This game should have huge maps, and classes like Battlefield... infact, why don't we make battlefield again, but with a Halo skin.

Suggestions like those are stupid. You like other games, but you like Halo more, so you think that if you change the other games that you like into Halo, (basically play dress up with the games you like) then that would be the best game ever.

That is what I have a problem with.


Yea, and I have a problem with Bungie not changing ANYTHING in the past 3 games.


Simple logic has brought me to an obvious solution. DON'T BY THE -blam!- GAME IF YOU ARE UNHAPPY WITH THE CURRENT HALO GAMEPLAY! I personally love the current Halo gameplay and think you and anyone else is an -blam!- for trying to change it because they don't like it.

[Edited on 08.01.2009 4:09 AM PDT]

  • 08.01.2009 4:04 AM PDT
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I would like to see Bungie make a Class Based Game in the Halo Universe. Yes. They can pull it off and still retain the Halo feel.

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Posted by: Lunatic__Brandon
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And yeah, people who want classes COULD just go play other games. That's no excuse to not think it would work perfectly with Halo. People who played Super Mario Bros didn't -blam!- and moan when Mario Kart came out. It's a different game! But in the same franchise, and it worked.


The Mario franchise is a great example of why games should stay the same and why Nintendo is an unholy abomination. The problem is idiots will buy anything.

What how could you not love Super Paper Mario Sunshine Smash Kart Galaxy 3 Bro's?

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  • 08.01.2009 4:53 AM PDT
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The problem is, without fundementally changing the FPS style of Halo, classes would ruin SO much.

Imagine the game now, your team picks up a sniper on Valhalla, you now proceed to engage the enemy sniper, because your team cannot afford for him to be safe in their base taking out the enemy. Your team will now go over to their base and try to take their sniper.

You will probably know that taking out the sniper is a big deal on Halo, they're too dangerous to be left to kill your players.

Imagine after the epic struggle to take down a particularly sneaky sniper, that he simply respawns with another sniper and gets into a new hiding spot.

Halo games can't change too much without feeling like a different game, the sniping system cannot be changed, hardly at all. So nerfing the sniper isn't really an option. Besides, any nerfing that is done cannot be too harsh, since new players must be able to use the weapon, so professionals would always adapt.

One class will always be better than the others, don't be surprised if you go against team after team of people who are all the same class.

The people who complain about variety - there are already tonnes of games completely different to Halo, and tonnes of squad/class based games. The great thing about such an open market is that Halo can continue to create games of the style it has spent nearly 10 years perfecting, without worrying about being stale - because if players want to try a class game, they can play BF for a few hours, then go back to the classic style of Halo.

If Halo Reach is a class based game, I'm out.

  • 08.01.2009 5:27 AM PDT

halo can be fresh without classes. Just like cod can be fresh without moon jumping.

  • 08.01.2009 5:41 AM PDT

All you -blam!-es saying "DONT BUY IT!!!!11111" Are missing the point. I like the Halo universe. I like the backstory and characters. I just hate how Bungie refuses to change anything.

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Posted by: Palien90
All you -blam!-es saying "DONT BUY IT!!!!11111" Are missing the point. I like the Halo universe. I like the backstory and characters. I just hate how Bungie refuses to change anything.


Too bad then. Read the Books and rent the games if you like the story and not the gameplay.

  • 08.01.2009 5:46 AM PDT

but the thing is you get more satisfaction of earning your weapons then getting a overkill or something, where as if you have classes you can be what ever you want but you know you havn't rightfully earned that weapon

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I declare Neap

Holy -blam!- OP, your username is my name too! I'm scared :/

  • 08.01.2009 5:52 AM PDT

Posted by: Lunatic__Brandon
Posted by: Palien90
All you -blam!-es saying "DONT BUY IT!!!!11111" Are missing the point. I like the Halo universe. I like the backstory and characters. I just hate how Bungie refuses to change anything.


Too bad then. Read the Books and rent the games if you like the story and not the gameplay.


I am beginning to think that you are just afraid of change. Hell, this isnt a "Halo (insert # here)" its a whole new thing.

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Posted by: Palien90
Posted by: Lunatic__Brandon
Posted by: Palien90
All you -blam!-es saying "DONT BUY IT!!!!11111" Are missing the point. I like the Halo universe. I like the backstory and characters. I just hate how Bungie refuses to change anything.


Too bad then. Read the Books and rent the games if you like the story and not the gameplay.


I am beginning to think that you are just afraid of change. Hell, this isnt a "Halo (insert # here)" its a whole new thing.


Why does everyone think being a fan of the current gameplay makes someone afraid of change? I've played multiple class based games and most of them are trash in my opinion because the gameplay is so boring after a while. CoD 4 gave me about a month of fun. Battlefield Bad Company was boring by the time I was done with the Multiplayer demo. I just find the whole class based system boring.

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  • 08.01.2009 5:58 AM PDT

Oh well, its not like any of the people asking for change is even gonna make a difference. Bungie is a lazy bunch (retconning your own game so you can recycle enemies) and they will churn out more of the same. Hell, I even bet that Reach ends with a vehicle level where you ride through a corridor or on a platform while everything blows up around you.

  • 08.01.2009 6:00 AM PDT